Unjustified censorship!

[Romy]

Warning: If you wish to discuss homosexuality, then please use the appropriate topic! Posts made here will be removed and the poster shall be warned. ~ Rainy_Day

 

Jagex as a compay has made a huge mistake. A mistake that currently still stands as is for years, and, surprisingly, is also left untouched.

 

I believe this problem exists everywhere, but as such, it only makes it a lot worse to see it in a game too (I'm aware that that's not the only game, or actualy, that that game like many others has this problem, but we must begin somewhere.)

 

The problem I'm talking about, is the censorship of words like 'gay', 'lesbian', 'homo', 'homosexual' etc (as of now, I do not know if Tip.It censors these words aswell. Hopefuly, once I click the 'Post New Topic' button, I'll feel relieved.) Edit- I'm very pleased to know that these words are not censored in the Tip.It forums :D.

 

Why is this a problem? Because these words are not, in any way, swear words- even though I'm sad to stat that many use them as such. If to take one step further, I can also add that BECAUSE these words are used as swear words, many (especialy young) men and women are afraid to come out of the closet, up to the point where the younger ones take their own lives, every day.

 

Sure, you read this and you think it has nothing to do with you, or that it's so far away. Well, people are phisically DYING because of that! They're taking their own lives because they think their faith is atleast as terrible as death, instead of seeing it something natural and NOT unique. This is something not to be taken lightly at all, especialy since (even though not 100% proven), sexual preferances are believed to appear on birth (but only discovered later).

 

And so, I call your voices to be heard, and demand awareness. Because awareness promotes subjects like this one, up to the point where it can become a natural thing everywhere in the world. I might be a bit too ambitious, but I firmly believe that if we all speak up, gay people will live their lives like any other, and will be nothing special or unique.

 

I want to promote this and eventualy call Jagex to remove censorship of these words.

 

I also want to beg those of you who use those words to make fun of others to stop, and to thank those of you who don't.

 

 

 

Edit:

I would like to stat why I think these words should not be censored in RuneScape (or any other place, really.)

 

The reason gays are treated badly by many, is the in-ability to comperhend their situation. They were born with a sexual orientation that is looked down upon for some very twisted and sickening reasons, basicly for being different. I do not expect to change that over night, but I do know that this change can be made, even if in 20, 50, or 200 years. The reason these words are censored, or even unaccepted by many out side of RuneScape, is the lack of awareness. In other words, if everyone knew what it meant (and many in this particular thread proved they don't), it was not so unnatural and unique anymore. It would be just one more word, one more 'father', 'friend', 'child', 'student', 'asutralian', 'black', and so on. Currently, that's something that can be done. I doubt any of you imagine anything too unique when using the word 'father', and I believe so should be for the word 'gay'.

 

In addition, I am aware that if these words were no longer censored, they would, infact, be used more as insults than anything else. However, if we are so afraid of that, our world will never have that change. Sure, 'gay' would sadly become the new 'noob', but if on all places in the entire world this word was just like any other, it would eventualy change. (As I stated, not over night, and probably not even in 20 years, but we shouldn't be scared of that long period, we should just do our best to reach a change in people's world-view.

[Punitive_D]

If Jagex didn't censor the words, the only time they would be used in game would be as an insult (as "newb" is used now). Would that make you feel better?

[Guthorm]

I think the reason Jagex censored those words because the community is too immature, not because they are particularly offensive. Or it might be that do more harm than good.

Think about it, how many people would actually talk in game about homosexuals and how many people would use the words to make fun of people or use the words in jokes and such. So I believe until the community has grow up, the censor should stay. Well maybe a toggleable censor can be implemented or something. Just my two cents. :smile:

[Romy]

Being gay is unnatural. Deal with it. No, I am not a homophobe, I just don't believe being gay is natural. Even physically speaking.

 

I'm sad to hear this. And yet, it is almost guranteed that gay people are born that way, does that mean they were born unnatural?

 

And moreover, even if you do not see it as something natural, don't you think it's absurd that it creates hate and death, for no actual reason?

[stonewall337]

I'm sad to hear this. And yet, it is almost guranteed that gay people are born that way, does that mean they were born unnatural?

 

And moreover, even if you do not see it as something natural, don't you think it's absurd that it creates hate and death, for no actual reason?

 

They are not born that way. That is utter BS. I have talked to a number of people who were formerly gay, and they all state that it was unnatural. Hate and death? People get made fun of for being fat, or skinny, or dumb, or smart. It may not be good, but it is a part of life.

[Draconic]

I don't think it's hardly because Jagex are homphobic... it's because there are immature kids who will unyeildingly bastardize those words....

[Romy]

I'm sad to hear this. And yet, it is almost guranteed that gay people are born that way, does that mean they were born unnatural?

 

And moreover, even if you do not see it as something natural, don't you think it's absurd that it creates hate and death, for no actual reason?

 

They are not born that way. That is utter BS. I have talked to a number of people who were formerly gay, and they all state that it was unnatural. Hate and death? People get made fun of for being fat, or skinny, or dumb, or smart. It may not be good, but it is a part of life.

 

I'm sorry, but what you said makes no sense.

 

You can't point out something is bad by saying other things are bad aswell.

 

In addition, there is no such thing as 'formerly gay'.

 

And the last bit, even if you were right, then either 'fat', 'skinny', 'dumb' and 'smart' should be censored aswell, or 'gay', 'homo' and 'lesbian' shouldn't.

[stonewall337]

How can you not be a "former gay'? You leave that live style. In fact, it was just stated in a US Court case that as there are gays, so there are former gays. If you leave being heterosexual to become homosexual, you can change back. It is a fact, look it up. Also, it would only be used as an insult on Rs.

 

As well, whilst I stated people could be made fun of for having those characteristics, I didn't say the use of those words in every sense was an insult. Logic 101.

[Romy]

I don't think it's hardly because Jagex are homphobic... it's because there are immature kids who will unyeildingly bastardize those words....

 

I don't thinks it's for that reason either, and neither did I claim to. All I'm saying is that the fact that these words are censored, is wrong in the sense that these words are not swear words, and that the fact that people use them as such, is sickening and dangerous.

[Rainy_Day]

I'm sad to hear this. And yet, it is almost guranteed that gay people are born that way, does that mean they were born unnatural?

 

And moreover, even if you do not see it as something natural, don't you think it's absurd that it creates hate and death, for no actual reason?

 

They are not born that way. That is utter BS. I have talked to a number of people who were formerly gay, and they all state that it was unnatural. Hate and death? People get made fun of for being fat, or skinny, or dumb, or smart. It may not be good, but it is a part of life.

Please keep your rather nasty sounding views towards homosexuality to yourself. :thumbup: If you think it's unnatural, fine, but this topic is about the censoring of the words, not whether you agree with homosexuality or not. If you wish to discuss that then use the appropriate thread in Off-Topic.

 

I believe the only reason such words are continued to be censored is because the RuneScape community can often not handle 'mature' words such as them, and instead use them as insults. I think unless the community matures, such words will continue to be censored.

[Guthorm]

wait wait, sickening and dangerous? I mean I would understand if you call people who use the word gay in every sentence they say annoying or immature bastards, but dangerous? Don't you think that is a bit of over-exaggeration? :mellow:

[Mymagerules]

Being gay is unnatural. Deal with it. No, I am not a homophobe, I just don't believe being gay is natural. Even physically speaking.

 

If being gay is unnatural, then why is there a GSpot inside a man that makes gay sex feel good?

 

And I quote: Deal with it.

[Romy]

How can you not be a "former gay'? You leave that live style. In fact, it was just stated in a US Court case that as there are gays, so there are former gays. If you leave being heterosexual to become homosexual, you can change back. It is a fact, look it up. Also, it would only be used as an insult on Rs.

 

As well, whilst I stated people could be made fun of for having those characteristics, I didn't say the use of those words in every sense was an insult. Logic 101.

 

It is not a fact, and neither is it a lifestyle. If there was such a thing, no one would ever choose to be gay. Why would anyone want to if it was their choice? You can't have your own kid without the use of science/ adoption, and, frankly, the world is more of a hostile place to you.

 

Oh, and "look it up"? Have you lost your mind? Even if such a thing was true (which it clearly ISN'T!!!), how would anyone ever be able to prove it? As of today, most psycologists that deal with the subject, believe gay people are born that way.

[stonewall337]

I will agree to disagree with you on the point of whether or not one can ever leave the homosexual lifestyle, and instead get to the point at hand.

 

People would misuse the words as insults. Even as people go around the filter now, saying things such as "your G@Y" or "you Faq". RS isn't mature enough.

 

Also, homophobic means a fear of gays. Just because a person disagrees with homosexuality doesn't make them a homophobe. An atheist isn't called a godophobe, or a diaphobe.

 

Also, many people don't have children anyway, through the use of birth control methods. Look at the human anatomy, and tell me where homosexuality fits in, outside of the perversion of the normal heterosexual relationship. As neither of us will change the others mind, I will only post on topic here from now on, to avoid the charge of "flaming" which I am sure is coming.

[bobocop]

It's too bad that you feel so singled out but I don't know what someone's sexual orientation has to do with Runescape. There are heaps of other places on that web that you can visit if you wish to discuss a gay lifestyle.

[Romy]

wait wait, sickening and dangerous? I mean I would understand if you call people who use the word gay in every sentence they say annoying or immature bastards, but dangerous? Don't you think that is a bit of over-exaggeration? :mellow:

 

You see? That's where the problem stands! IT IS DANGEROUS!! the lack of awareness not only caused human beings to murder others for being different, but it had caused many to become depressed and eventualy suicidal (sp?). Yes, men and women, especialy teenagers, took their on lives solely for being gay. Not because they're poor, not because they're handicapped, not because of an abusive family and not even because of love fallen apart, solely for being gay.

[Romy]

I will agree to disagree with you on the point of whether or not one can ever leave the homosexual lifestyle, and instead get to the point at hand.

 

People would misuse the words as insults. Even as people go around the filter now, saying things such as "your G@Y" or "you Faq". RS isn't mature enough.

 

Also, homophobic means a fear of gays. Just because a person disagrees with homosexuality doesn't make them a homophobe. An atheist isn't called a godophobe, or a diaphobe.

 

Also, many people don't have children anyway, through the use of birth control methods. Look at the human anatomy, and tell me where homosexuality fits in, outside of the perversion of the normal heterosexual relationship. As neither of us will change the others mind, I will only post on topic here from now on, to avoid the charge of "flaming" which I am sure is coming.

 

Well, people are using words that are censored on Tip.It (if you know what words these are you'd also know they're replaced by- Wagon, Cabbage, Developmently delayed and so on) on RuneScape, and if these words, which actualy are swear words, aren't censored, then shouldn't gay be either, espcialy since it isn't a swear word.

 

 

As for children- That was not my point. You said being gay is a matter of choice, as in, anyone can decide whether or not they want to be gay. Well, if so, no one would ever choose to be gay. There simply is not one reason to 'choose' it.

[Toad]

They are not born that way. That is utter BS. I have talked to a number of people who were formerly gay, and they all state that it was unnatural. Hate and death? People get made fun of for being fat, or skinny, or dumb, or smart. It may not be good, but it is a part of life.

 

I am really sorry here, formally gay? what happened did they go into rehab? you're talking utter nonsense here.

 

People are born that way. people pick on others flaws to better themselves, when inside they're more insecure than anything.

 

I'm straight but I have many gay friends, and they're human like the rest of us what your sexuality is doesn't really change anything.

 

It's YOUR intolerance that causes problems.

[Giordano]

Sexuality words are used for insults; and if the adults can't see the difference, what makes you think the RS kids will?

 

Besides, it shouldn't be a big deal. It's not like homosexuals are shunned from Jagex or not allowed to play. They just can't say those words not because it's true definition, but by the definition of it's insult.

 

And sorry to break it to you guys, but being homosexual is unnatural. But that doesn't mean it's wrong. Humans aren't supposed to travel 500+ mph through the skies neither. :razz:

[sprites]

Please keep your rather nasty sounding views towards homosexuality to yourself. :thumbup: If you think it's unnatural, fine, but this topic is about the censoring of the words, not whether you agree with homosexuality or not. If you wish to discuss that then use the appropriate thread in Off-Topic.

 

I believe the only reason such words are continued to be censored is because the RuneScape community can often not handle 'mature' words such as them, and instead use them as insults. I think unless the community matures, such words will continue to be censored.

 

He is free to express his opinion, just as you are free to disagree with it. Sexuality; gay, bi, or straight, is probably the most natural human urge next to parenting or friendship. Some gay people may switch back and forth but that doesn't mean that all gay and lesbians are like this.

 

The way I see it is jagex trying to protect younger kids personal information. Sexuality is something I think we all agree is personal. With so many children on runescape it is hardly appropriate to ask someone if they prefer men or women sexually.

[Romy]

It's too bad that you feel so singled out but I don't know what someone's sexual orientation has to do with Runescape. There are heaps of other places on that web that you can visit if you wish to discuss a gay lifestyle.

 

I, personaly, am not gay. If it matters to you, I started out with it during a school project.

 

I am not promoting discussion about sexual orientaion here, only what problems had occured in our world, and how we could atleast begin doing something in the matter, even if only on a Java based multi player game.

[DAE2008]

Yes, men and women, especialy teenagers, took their on lives solely for being gay. Not because they're poor, not because they're handicapped, not because of an abusive family and not even because of love fallen apart, solely for being gay.

 

That's their own effing fault. Let me rephrase what you just said.

 

They killed themselves because they were gay.

 

Thus, they wouldn't, had they been normal. The point is, Male + Female = Baby, M + M or F + F don't. Is it natural? No, it's a feeling brought on by society, not because it makes them feel good. It may be about "sticking it to the man", or whatever. People aren't just "gay", that's my opinion. And many others', too.

 

On it being censored in RS, I couldn't care less. They are words that really shouldn't exist. Why? Have one guess.

[Romy]

Sexuality words are used for insults; and if the adults can't see the difference, what makes you think the RS kids will?

 

Besides, it shouldn't be a big deal. It's not like homosexuals are shunned from Jagex or not allowed to play. They just can't say those words not because it's true definition, but by the definition of it's insult.

 

And sorry to break it to you guys, but being homosexual is unnatural. But that doesn't mean it's wrong. Humans aren't supposed to travel 500+ mph through the skies neither. :razz:

 

Maybe, but mankind was not created with the knowledge of flight, and not only is being gay not in any way knwoledge, it also exists since the dawn of humanity. I can't see how that's unnatural, if people are born that way.

[Guthorm]

wait wait, sickening and dangerous? I mean I would understand if you call people who use the word gay in every sentence they say annoying or immature bastards, but dangerous? Don't you think that is a bit of over-exaggeration? :mellow:

 

You see? That's where the problem stands! IT IS DANGEROUS!! the lack of awareness not only caused human beings to murder others for being different, but it had caused many to become depressed and eventualy suicidal (sp?). Yes, men and women, especialy teenagers, took their on lives solely for being gay. Not because they're poor, not because they're handicapped, not because of an abusive family and not even because of love fallen apart, solely for being gay.

 

Hmm? I think you misunderstood me a bit. I have no doubt that being gay is a huge mental stress. But when I talk about people who use the word gay in an offensive matter are generally immature people who wish to insult others, same as calling other people an ahole and such. You on the other hand are talking about people who specifically call out on gay people and make fun of them, that I believe is a problem. Or were you thinking that gay people hearing people using the "gay" word as an insult will be mentally stressed?

[Romy]

Yes, men and women, especialy teenagers, took their on lives solely for being gay. Not because they're poor, not because they're handicapped, not because of an abusive family and not even because of love fallen apart, solely for being gay.

 

That's their own effing fault. Let me rephrase what you just said.

 

They killed themselves because they were gay.

 

Thus, they wouldn't, had they been normal. The point is, Male + Female = Baby, M + M or F + F don't. Is it natural? No, it's a feeling brought on by society, not because it makes them feel good. It may be about "sticking it to the man", or whatever. People aren't just "gay", that's my opinion. And many others', too.

 

On it being censored in RS, I couldn't care less. They are words that really shouldn't exist. Why? Have one guess.

 

 

They did not suicide for being gay, they did it because they feel they cannot live with that fact in our world.

 

You're saying it's their own fault? I can't distress how dumb that sounds. It's their own fault that they feel they have no room in our world? Frankly, even though I disagree with them, I don't blame them. The world is a very hostile place to them, people think their sexual orientaion is a problem, and that it's unnatural.

 

For the millionth time on this thread, gay people are born that way. It's not their choice, it's not their way of "Sticking it to the man", it's one of their born characteristics.