The only good news source these days is The Daily Show with John Stewart and The Colbert Report, and I'm not even joking. These days, Comedy is the only real news source. Go to CNN, MSNBC, or Fox, and you'll just the same, bull [cabbage] crap used to raise ratings and arouse debate, which is then used again to raise ratings. They have like 24 hours to report news, and all they can think of is what the dude's name was? Lame.

The only good news source these days is The Daily Show with John Stewart and The Colbert Report, and I'm not even joking.

 

*cough* BBC World News *cough*

 

On a totally different topic, I enjoyed John Stewart's parody of Glenn Beck.

Lol, yea, that was funny. Also, the Weather Channel is pretty much as fair as they come when it comes to news. Or are they... *Breaking News: Hurricane Hail Storm about to hit Africa. Run for your god damn lives*

Tbh the only news source I've been going to for a while now is Al Jezeera.

The only good news source these days is The Daily Show with John Stewart and The Colbert Report, and I'm not even joking. These days, Comedy is the only real news source. Go to CNN, MSNBC, or Fox, and you'll just the same, bull [cabbage] crap used to raise ratings and arouse debate, which is then used again to raise ratings. They have like 24 hours to report news, and all they can think of is what the dude's name was? Lame.

I totally agree, but the Onion is a pretty nice source too.

 

 

Can't trust any of them: even the people at The Onion will put a spin on a story if it makes it funnier.

 

 

What really bothers me is how the media is already at work spinning it around to blame everything but the system.

What system is to blame?

What system is to blame?

THE system.

The only good news source these days is The Daily Show with John Stewart and The Colbert Report, and I'm not even joking. These days, Comedy is the only real news source. Go to CNN, MSNBC, or Fox, and you'll just the same, bull [cabbage] crap used to raise ratings and arouse debate, which is then used again to raise ratings. They have like 24 hours to report news, and all they can think of is what the dude's name was? Lame.

I totally agree, but the Onion is a pretty nice source too.

 

 

Can't trust any of them: even the people at The Onion will put a spin on a story if it makes it funnier.

 

 

the onion is supposed to be fake news, lol. you aren't even supposed to take the onion seriously.

even the people at The Onion will put a spin on a story if it makes it funnier.

 

 

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Wow, just wow.

So, uhh... How did Japanese internment during the second World War go again? Did it keep Americans safe from the threat of the Japanese in the homeland, who they were at war with?

So, uhh... Still no profiling? Yeah I know, it's a bit unfair to the people who praise Allah in their own homes, but they understand. Well, they should...

If these soldiers weren't killed by an Iraqi here, they would have been killed by an Iraqi over there. Seems like there's a math rule for this... Distributive property? Hmm...

Among all of the grief there must be embarrassment. The public eye would see an army base as a secure stronghold, and yet one team killer was able to get M-M-M-MONSTER KILL before being fragged.

There's no break glass in case of emergency pistols? An alarm to be raised? Fearless soldiers to tackle 'em? I wasn't aware this guy was the middleeastern Terminator. Guess he must have been a damn good shot though.

 

Yeah... Sorry. Our pity isn't going to bring them back. Executing the guy isn't going to heal any pain. Every soldier lost will be quickly replaced. No one's going to learn anything. Nothing will be gained from this, for anybody.

 

I always wonder why counter-terrorism doesn't include bombing them back. All of them. It's equivocal: Their innocents and militants for American innocents and militants. The United States isn't gaining anything from them, are they? The only loss the United States will suffer is the loss of another source of fear. That's capitalism, if you weren't aware.

Gava, people like you are why America is so hated right now. Either grow a sense of common decency, or shut the f%$# up.

 

This is just plain sad, I think, though not to be unexpected. We've went a long, long time since a military personnel cracked on base and went bat[cabbage], and a psychiatrist, who gets to see the worst of whatever deployment is going on right now, being given a deployment order to the place in question is one of the more stressful indirect situations to be offered. What I don't get is why this guy was able to kill and injure so many people before being taken down. This IS a military base, it should follow that there should be at least one combat-ready person per 10 meters in that place, not to mention all the well-trained personnel that would populate the area. Where in the base did he go nuts at?

I can tell you from personal experience, not every Iraqi is bad, not every Muslim is bad. I can also tell you, again, that most bases in the US are not "Strongholds". Drivers license, car registration, and proof of insurance can get you onto most bases as a civilian. Military ID or military ID and DOD sticker can get you on even easier.

 

The only explanation I can give for why he was up so long, was its the Army. I don't like to bash other branches to much, but the Army is very....special. Not my favorite to work with or be around at all. Heck, a lot of them don't even carry rounds on their person on Iraq FOBs. They are never prepared, and never quick to do anything. I'm sure there are those select few that are squared away and good to go, but the majority comes across to me as lazy and unprepared.

 

Also like stated before, you don't carry loaded weapons on base. Military or Civilian. All weapons and ammo are checked into the armory. Weapons are only drawn for field exercises, right as you are deployed (literally like day of), and for the range. And then ammo is issued once you reach your destination. I didn't get ammo for my rifle until i set foot in Kuwait. Being militarily trained, you have other options....hand to hand. But again, its the Army, I don't put it past them to not do anything.

I can tell you from personal experience, not every Iraqi is bad, not every Muslim is bad. I can also tell you, again, that most bases in the US are not "Strongholds". Drivers license, car registration, and proof of insurance can get you onto most bases as a civilian. Military ID or military ID and DOD sticker can get you on even easier.

 

The only explanation I can give for why he was up so long, was its the Army. I don't like to bash other branches to much, but the Army is very....special. Not my favorite to work with or be around at all. Heck, a lot of them don't even carry rounds on their person on Iraq FOBs. They are never prepared, and never quick to do anything. I'm sure there are those select few that are squared away and good to go, but the majority comes across to me as lazy and unprepared.

 

Also like stated before, you don't carry loaded weapons on base. Military or Civilian. All weapons and ammo are checked into the armory. Weapons are only drawn for field exercises, right as you are deployed (literally like day of), and for the range. And then ammo is issued once you reach your destination. I didn't get ammo for my rifle until i set foot in Kuwait. Being militarily trained, you have other options....hand to hand. But again, its the Army, I don't put it past them to not do anything.

 

That actually sounds a lot like gladiator training.

Gava, people like you are why America is so hated right now. Either grow a sense of common decency, or shut the f%$# up.

Common decency? Whatever would that be? To deny that none of what I said is truth would be incredibly ignorant on your part. I tried to cast a doubtful light on capitalism in that, but apparently you didn't catch on. Although it's not clear in my post, I believe in equality. Not communism though... But I know that capitalism is "Survival of the fittest, and screw everyone else", which is why I said that last part. If the United States wasn't mired in the razor wires of political correctness it'd follow suit with that ideal most frontal in its values and end this particular problem. Instead, because of political correctness, it has seen it fit to save the citizens of a foreign country posing a threat to itself, a country which would likely never have a payoff for these efforts. Not that this is the first time, of course...

Did Japanese internment keep U.S. citizens safe from the Japanese? Pretty sure it did. Let's not go that far though.

Does profiling focus on one suspect group? Yes.

Is it that one suspect group that poses a threat? Yes.

Is it fair to those of the suspect group who are not a threat? No.

Do we know who those that are not a threat are? No.

Should we forgo the safety of the general population for interest in the civil rights of a small minority? lol...

 

Ember, people like you are why I hate people like you. Close-minded and quick to conclusions...

 

I can tell you from personal experience, not every Iraqi is bad, not every Muslim is bad. I can also tell you, again, that most bases in the US are not "Strongholds". Drivers license, car registration, and proof of insurance can get you onto most bases as a civilian. Military ID or military ID and DOD sticker can get you on even easier.

 

The only explanation I can give for why he was up so long, was its the Army. I don't like to bash other branches to much, but the Army is very....special. Not my favorite to work with or be around at all. Heck, a lot of them don't even carry rounds on their person on Iraq FOBs. They are never prepared, and never quick to do anything. I'm sure there are those select few that are squared away and good to go, but the majority comes across to me as lazy and unprepared.

 

Also like stated before, you don't carry loaded weapons on base. Military or Civilian. All weapons and ammo are checked into the armory. Weapons are only drawn for field exercises, right as you are deployed (literally like day of), and for the range. And then ammo is issued once you reach your destination. I didn't get ammo for my rifle until i set foot in Kuwait. Being militarily trained, you have other options....hand to hand. But again, its the Army, I don't put it past them to not do anything.

I'm going to assume that you were responding to me.

I don't believe all Muslims are bad, but I know that the threat comes from that group of people.

I don't believe that army bases are strongholds, but I do believe that the public would behold them as such, which I clarified already.

Hand-to-hand combat is what I was considering. Another typical stereotype of United States Army soldiers is that they are in the army because they are brave. The shooter used a pistol. He wounded and killed what, like 40 people? I don't know what standard issue is but I'm pretty sure pistols usually hold up to 15 rounds, meaning he would have to reload. If soldiers are indeed brave then they wouldn't go into a panic. If they don't panic, then they can think clearly. If they think clearly, then they might've realized that he would have to reload, meaning that he would have a period of vulnerability.

 

I don't know exactly what happened, and I don't know how soldiers think, and I don't know what the surroundings were like. I also don't know how they eventually got him... And I don't know what military police are. I would have assumed they were the guys in partial fatigue with the band around one of their arms that says "MP" in white. I would assume that that kind of person is usually present at military bases...

 

Moreover, I don't know why this particular follower of the Islamic faith decided to do this. If reports, or, rather, speculation, is correct, then he was bullied by a few people because he was Muslim. This, among other mounting stress... People, when pushed far enough, can and will break. And then you get these kinds of situations. His fellow soldiers who pushed him, if they weren't the ones he went after, should be punished just as well, although it's likely they won't be, and we'll never know the true story.

Hand-to-hand combat is what I was considering. Another typical stereotype of United States Army soldiers is that they are in the army because they are brave. The shooter used a pistol. He wounded and killed what, like 40 people? I don't know what standard issue is but I'm pretty sure pistols usually hold up to 15 rounds, meaning he would have to reload. If soldiers are indeed brave then they wouldn't go into a panic. If they don't panic, then they can think clearly. If they think clearly, then they might've realized that he would have to reload, meaning that he would have a period of vulnerability.

 

Yes. Berreta M9 is standard issue, 15 round magazines. So yes he did reload multipule times. I agree with you 100% about the rest above. Although its much easier to reload a pistol then a rifle, and you could easily stagger the shots so you still have a full pistol while reloading the other.

 

I don't know exactly what happened, and I don't know how soldiers think, and I don't know what the surroundings were like. I also don't know how they eventually got him... And I don't know what military police are. I would have assumed they were the guys in partial fatigue with the band around one of their arms that says "MP" in white. I would assume that that kind of person is usually present at military bases...

 

Yes, should be. But there arn't as many MPs as you think. This is also because of the civilian police on base too (Contractors). The civilian police are the ones who ultimately fired the shots to take him down.

 

Moreover, I don't know why this particular follower of the Islamic faith decided to do this. If reports, or, rather, speculation, is correct, then he was bullied by a few people because he was Muslim. This, among other mounting stress... People, when pushed far enough, can and will break. And then you get these kinds of situations. His fellow soldiers who pushed him, if they weren't the ones he went after, should be punished just as well, although it's likely they won't be, and we'll never know the true story.

 

It should of never happened. There are always warning signs. The dude gave away all of his furniture before he left to go do this, literally hours prior. Even just for a normal deployment, this isn't right. I still wouldn't hold others accountable for this.

What I want to know is, how was he in the army for long enough to get such a rank without ever being deployed until now?

Kreig, please check your quotes. I didn't say those things, gava did.

 

This proves undeniably that we absolutely NEED to refine our military training in at least one branch. This dude should have been sniffing dirt after 5 shots, not 40+. Also, we need to stop using so many civilian contractors. They're extremely costly, and the express focus of them is how to make the most money. That is NOT a proper military force, people.

Sorry about that, totally messed that up.

 

I agree with your last statement.