Organ Selling

[atestarossa]

At the start, I didn't really get it. Like, why should it be illegal at all to buy/sell organs.

Then i got that it was not about the instrument. :wall:

 

Anyway, I'm not sure about it. I don't like the fact that people could be earning money out of selling their own organs, (like one kidney, or something) but this can save lives.

Also, is there a line that needs to be drawn between what is "mine" and "yours" in organs? Are we created in such a way, that we really should respect each other.

 

The main problem with cases like this, is that we need to find an ethical line, about what we should be able to do, and what not. Humans can now do a lot, a lot more than most people would find acceptable. Like named earlier in this thread: cloning. Some people believe that using clones for getting organs or stam cells that can save someone's life is okay, while other looks at that clone as a human being, just as the other person.

 

But back to organs, I don't know how much they are in need now, not in my country, and not in others. But would it not be possible to ask people to donate an organ, (this would mostly be kidneys, i can't think about anything else that can be given while you're still alive) just as you do with blood, or similar at least. That people should be able to sell their kidneys for money is something that really disgusts me. If people are so desperate that they actually need that money, then the state should rather have a way of picking up these people.

I would go as far as saying that that would be like prostitution: Selling your body.

 

However doing it for free would let people donate if it was for people they know that became sick, and needs a kidney, or they could donate it to whoever needs it, and would accept it (in the medicine term, as the body can actually reject other people's organs)

 

I am really not sure about much in this case, and it's harder to try to let my views out when using a foreign language. But my main point is that we should be careful with the medicinal technology we have. And that we need to find this line, where we say that this is allowed, and this isn't. If this line goes here, on the debate on organ selling i do not know. Perhaps partly.

[1_man_army]

Another difficulty in a free market organ scheme* would be ensuring a steady supply of available organs. Think about it, if people were suddenly allowed to sell their organs there would be an instant glut of available organs as people hurried to cash in but after that there would be a shortage as people who had organs to donate (having already done so). You would still be able to get organs after death but there would be fewer organs to take from the dead overall as many would have already been sold before death. A scheme like this would be unworkable as well as unethical.

 

* What a horrific term.

[Furah]

if i could, i would totally sell my kidney right now. anyone know the going price of a kidney? you see, i'm broke, i have no job as i got fired a while back and haven't been able to find a new one yet, and i need some money, i have an extra kidney, why not save a life with it while making myself some money? it works great for me, and the person who gets my kidney, i get some money and get out of the financial hole i'm currently falling endlessly into, and someone has a chance to live.

 

Because another body accepting your DNA would cause that person to take on your traits and go pillaging.

*ponders*

*buys EMR's kidney and sells both of his own*

I feel like pillaging, bye.

[evil_mumm_ra]

i've never pillaged anything before! it's not in my traits. interesting to see how people think of me though. you guys never seem to cease to surprise me with things, in any of the forums.

[Furah]

i've never pillaged anything before! it's not in my traits. interesting to see how people think of me though. you guys never seem to cease to surprise me with things, in any of the forums.

Are you saying you're not evil enough to pillage? :blink:

[evil_mumm_ra]

the only aspect of pillaging i would enjoy would be the arson, but that's offtopic even more than we already are :P

[1230abcz]

Lol, once again, not the instruments. I made a little edit on my first post. See if you can spot it.

[stonewall337]

Honestly, people who say that too much pressure would be put on the poor need to read "Atlas Shrugged". I don't give a damn about social justice, at least not the kind portrayed in that book. If you are smarter, you get a better job. If you are poor, there is almost always a reason for it, and it is most often your fault. Don't give me "product of society" "they are victims" and all that BS. They choose to sell their organs, just as any person could do. There are far worse ways to make money. But honestly, the poor already have plenty of pressure to do illegal things, such as prostitution, drug selling, etc. I really don't see what is so different in selling organs then from me selling my plasma weekly for $55 bucks.

Spoken like a true Middle Class person. Without getting too much into this, It's nice to know that you'll blame ME for being born into a poor family. I forgot that it's possible to control who you're born to. <_< The Working Class not only don't have the money. They don't get the opportunities that the Middle Class have. I'm a bright person, but I'll never have the chance to go to the best schools because there's no way on earth I could afford them. That means I'll never achieve as much as I want to. I might not get a good job, might be forced to get loans then pay them off by selling my organs. Remind me, which part of this was my fault again?

 

More on topic. I think it's better to encourage donation, than selling. Sure, it could help poor people get money, but I see huge ethical issues with having the sort of system where they're pressured into sacrificing their organs just for a bit of cash.

 

Racheya, Middle class?

 

I am not going to say the exact number, but there are over 8 children in my family, 4 of whom were adopted. My mom stays at home, and my dad is a technician.

 

The reason I feel like I do, is because of what I have seen around me. Maybe at first you can not control your surroundings, but when you grow up, you can to a large extent. I mean, when far more qualified people are passed over for a job or a promotion, and a minority or whatever who is not as qualified is given that position just so that a quota can be filled, there are obvious problems.

 

I can't afford college yet, so I am taking a year off to earn money. I can't afford the best schools either. If I get into any school, I will be working my own way through. The skills I gained in woodworking, plumbing, carpentry, repair, drywall, tiling, etc etc etc are because I worked for them.

 

Case in point, I have to WORK for what I have. That may mean donating plasma weekly to help supplement my income. That defiantly means working more than 1 job.

 

No one can help where they were born. But one can chose what they do with their life. One can give up, or give in to the standard expectation, or one can rise above. Sure, one may not be able to garner every benefit that those in the upper classes do, but still opportunities abound. Why do you think people go back to college in their 30's, 40's, 50's?

 

In essence, society can't be blamed for everything. Some may seem certain jobs despicable, such as garbage collector, etc. But one must do what is needed. As long as there is proper oversight, I am for the option of selling certain organs, just as one can now sell sperm/plasma/ etc.

 

Also, what exactly is wrong with selling an organ morally? What is wrong with selling your body? Without some absolute standard of morales there is no right or wrong with what you do with your body, as long as others are not injured.

[OldJoe]

Sure why not?

If i want to sell my balls for some cash, i don't see the problem.

[Pirate_Felix]

Sure why not?

If i want to sell my balls for some cash, i don't see the problem.

(i think somebody in here sees enough balls so he can miss his own)

[Will H]

Sure why not?

If i want to sell my balls for some cash, i don't see the problem.

 

I do, what about people who can't buy your balls, even though they might have a mysterious condition where they need them to live? What then?

[OldJoe]

Sure why not?

If i want to sell my balls for some cash, i don't see the problem.

 

I do, what about people who can't buy your balls, even though they might have a mysterious condition where they need them to live? What then?

That's person x' problem and not mine. And in such a case, it doesn't matter if you can sell or not, since the person wouldn't be able to get a hold of it anyway.

Is this viewpoint of yours for ethical reasons or political (I.E. left wing/communism)?

[TTanT]

It's a good thing I QFT'd my original post.