Organ Selling

[1230abcz]

Been a while since OT has had a good debate.

 

Here's an issue that's still on the down low in terms of public awareness: Organ Selling. Basically, it's a question of whether people should be allowed to sell their organs for money across the world. After the US made organ selling illegal with the National Organ Transplant Act, most of the world followed, and selling organs was made illegal in most major parts of the world.

 

There are quite a few issues surrounding this debate. People that are for selling organs say that it'll save lives, reduce crime rates, and save money. People against the selling of organs say that it's unethical, lets the rich take advantage of the poor, and endangers the lives of those who would be "forced" to sell their organs.

 

State your opinion and let's have some debates.

 

 

 

 

NOT THE GOD DAMN INSTRUMENTS!@#@!#!@#!@# Lol.

[warri0r45]

Well, for starters I would rather more people donated their organs, but unfortunately that's not going to happen any time soon.

 

This article looks at both sides of the issue rather well: http://www.scu.edu/ethics/publications/iie/v1n2/kidneys.html

 

I'm leaning towards support based on the fact that thousands of people die on organ donation waiting lists, but I need more information. If organ selling is ever legalised, however, I would want there to be significant regulation to help make sure the poor aren't taken advantage of.

[1230abcz]

<http://www.msnbc.com/is/4472642/print/1/displaymose/1098/>.

 

<http://www.mackinac.org/2482>.

 

<http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/phil/blphil_ethbio_organsale.htm>.

 

<http://www.sfgate.com/cgibin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/09/MN23UPQ0K.DTL>.

 

<www.hods.org/pdf/press/Complications - New York Times.pdf>.

 

<http://www.hhs.gov/asl/testify/t980408a.html>

 

<http://dnsindia.com/acf/Payment_for_donor_kidneys_Pros_and_cons.pdf>.

 

<http://cjasn.asnjournals.org/cgi/reprint/1/6/1136>.

 

<http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/1998/198_dial.html>.

 

< http://news.asiaone.com/News/Latest+News/Asia/Story/A1Story20080528-67534.html>.

 

<http://www.optn.org/latestData/step2.asp?>

 

<http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE0DD163EF930A15756C0A9

629C8B63&sec=health&spon=&pagewanted=print>.

 

< http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/biotech/organswatch/pages/cannibalism.html>.

 

<http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/1998/198_dial.html>.

 

 

 

All the links you'll ever need on both sides of the debate. The third link probably summarizes the issue the best. The others are mainly in support, so it's a bit bias.

[Arcantica]

I think I fall more towards "it's my body, I should be able to sell it if I want"

 

 

Totally against the organ black market, but if you feel like you can do without an extra Kidney, by all means you should be able to sell it if you want and get something for it in return.

 

 

I used to be an organ donor, then I watched a news report talking about how a majority of your body parts end up being turned into medical products, and then sold to hospitals and scientific companies. It's not like every organ gets taken out and just freely given to some other person, they take everything from your valves, eyes, tendons, tissues, skin, and so on, then re-cycle them for profit.

 

If anyone is going to be making money off of my body parts, it better be me or my family if I happened to pass away.

[1230abcz]

Most organs do, yes, because they've been deemed unsuitable for transplant. Organs that are qualified for safe transplants are always given to people who need them, but there is never enough to supply everyone.

 

As for the "It's my body, etc." argument, you should also note that it's illegal to sell your body into slavery. There are always laws and regulations in place in order to protect people from the dangers of committing an unsafe act.

[Nadril]

I'm not really sure what I think to be honest. On one hand, I can see how it could help save a lot of lives. If such a thing were to be done in a sanitized, legal environment than the risks would (hopefully) be much lower. However I just feel like it might be a line we shouldn't really cross because it may pressure those who are down on their luck to "have" to sell an organ to make it by or pay off a loan.

 

For all obvious reasons I'm against a black market trade for organs but I really can't make up my mind if it were legalized in such a way. I think that if a person really wanted to give away an organ to help someone they would and that the money probably just puts a lot of pressure on certain people to sell.

[Iamdan]

I'm against it. I think doubling efforts into growing new organs would be a better idea.

[i_love_burritos]

I think it should be allowed only in richer countries with proper legislation and procedure. Not the $3 crackhoe's left kidney being scooped out with a rusty spoon, but someone who is donating organs if they have a terminal condition or are already dead.

 

I dont think it should be allowed while people are still healthy and living.

 

And it should be very well restrained with poorer people due to their desperation and whatnot.

[1_man_army]

I don't believe that it's rght to sell organs. Organ selling would dramatically reduce the availability of organs to poorer and even middle class families as prospective donor would rather sell at a premium in their lifetime rather than donate the organs after death. I can only envision a huge rise in the people waiting on the organ transplant list without an available organ because they can't pay for one.

 

I do believe in organ donation to the extent where I think the UK should adopt an opt-out policy. At the moment, you need to actively register as a donor and even then there have been cases or families objecting however, I think you should have to actively ask to be removed from the organ donation register. I think it would increase the number of donors substantially.

[RpgGamer]

I think it should be legal, but there would have to be some sort of quality control on it.

 

I can't wait to see the day of an e-bay spin off for organ patronage.

[TTanT]

[hide=OP]

Been a while since OT has had a good debate.

 

Here's an issue that's still on the down low in terms of public awareness: Organ Selling. Basically, it's a question of whether people should be allowed to sell their organs for money across the world. After the US made organ selling illegal with the National Organ Transplant Act, most of the world followed, and selling organs was made illegal in most major parts of the world.

 

There are quite a few issues surrounding this debate. People that are for selling organs say that it'll save lives, reduce crime rates, and save money. People against the selling of organs say that it's unethical, lets the rich take advantage of the poor, and endangers the lives of those who would be "forced" to sell their organs.

 

State your opinion and let's have some debates.

[/hide]

 

 

 

This is horrible.

 

 

We shouldn't hinder the trade of things such as organs! Think of the music that is being suppressed right now! This is absolutely horrible!

 

We need mroe, not less! Cheesy horror film music, church music, an aid for operas, there are so many uses for organs!

 

DO NOT SUPPRESS THESE WONDERFUL INSTRUMENTS!

[Will H]

I disagree with the concept of selling organs, because it runs a likely risk of limiting organ transplants to the rich. As far as medical care goes, capitalism doesn't work because people can't do without it, unlike most other goods and services.

 

I reckon that we will be able to grow organs on a large scale from human cells before the transplant issue goes out of control, so it shouldn't be too bad.

[Orpheus]

I really am against the organ market in general. Organ selling would potentially put too much pressure on the poor, have others have said.

 

In general, black markets are illegal anyway depending on the commodity. There really needs to be an opt-out system here in the US. If you don't want people to make use of your organs on death, then say something.

[indy500fan]

I was going to put up a trailer for Repo! The Genetic Opera (a movie about organ sales, and repossessions) but they all had spoilers in them.

[Napalm]

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[hide=OP]

Been a while since OT has had a good debate.

 

Here's an issue that's still on the down low in terms of public awareness: Organ Selling. Basically, it's a question of whether people should be allowed to sell their organs for money across the world. After the US made organ selling illegal with the National Organ Transplant Act, most of the world followed, and selling organs was made illegal in most major parts of the world.

 

There are quite a few issues surrounding this debate. People that are for selling organs say that it'll save lives, reduce crime rates, and save money. People against the selling of organs say that it's unethical, lets the rich take advantage of the poor, and endangers the lives of those who would be "forced" to sell their organs.

 

State your opinion and let's have some debates.

[/hide]

 

 

 

This is horrible.

 

 

We shouldn't hinder the trade of things such as organs! Think of the music that is being suppressed right now! This is absolutely horrible!

 

We need mroe, not less! Cheesy horror film music, church music, an aid for operas, there are so many uses for organs!

 

DO NOT SUPPRESS THESE WONDERFUL INSTRUMENTS!

[/hide]

 

Lol'd.

 

Seriously though, I'm against it. As others have said, organ donations would pretty much cease to exist, making people with less money more likely to not get one. Unless, it's the goverment themselves buying organs and distributing them to public hospitals, in which case they would be used for surgeries as the doctors/hospital managers/whatever see fit.

[stonewall337]

Honestly, people who say that too much pressure would be put on the poor need to read "Atlas Shrugged". I don't give a damn about social justice, at least not the kind portrayed in that book. If you are smarter, you get a better job. If you are poor, there is almost always a reason for it, and it is most often your fault. Don't give me "product of society" "they are victims" and all that BS. They choose to sell their organs, just as any person could do. There are far worse ways to make money. But honestly, the poor already have plenty of pressure to do illegal things, such as prostitution, drug selling, etc. I really don't see what is so different in selling organs then from me selling my plasma weekly for $55 bucks.

[Zierro]

I think you should get some kind of compensation from donating one, but directly getting cash doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

[Giordano]

I think you should get some kind of compensation from donating one, but directly getting cash doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

An IOU Kidney.

[Racheya]

Honestly, people who say that too much pressure would be put on the poor need to read "Atlas Shrugged". I don't give a damn about social justice, at least not the kind portrayed in that book. If you are smarter, you get a better job. If you are poor, there is almost always a reason for it, and it is most often your fault. Don't give me "product of society" "they are victims" and all that BS. They choose to sell their organs, just as any person could do. There are far worse ways to make money. But honestly, the poor already have plenty of pressure to do illegal things, such as prostitution, drug selling, etc. I really don't see what is so different in selling organs then from me selling my plasma weekly for $55 bucks.

Spoken like a true Middle Class person. Without getting too much into this, It's nice to know that you'll blame ME for being born into a poor family. I forgot that it's possible to control who you're born to. <_< The Working Class not only don't have the money. They don't get the opportunities that the Middle Class have. I'm a bright person, but I'll never have the chance to go to the best schools because there's no way on earth I could afford them. That means I'll never achieve as much as I want to. I might not get a good job, might be forced to get loans then pay them off by selling my organs. Remind me, which part of this was my fault again?

 

More on topic. I think it's better to encourage donation, than selling. Sure, it could help poor people get money, but I see huge ethical issues with having the sort of system where they're pressured into sacrificing their organs just for a bit of cash.

[Assume Nothing]

I do not have a opinion on the subject, as I'm not interested and or involved with it, but I think what we should work on is stem cell research and clone/make organs. Although, that's a completely new story, what rights would a clone have?

[Giordano]

I do not have a opinion on the subject, as I'm not interested and or involved with it, but I think what we should work on is stem cell research and clone/make organs. Although, that's a completely new story, what rights would a clone have?

The same? It's going to be born through a woman, it'll be just like an identical twin. It's not like in Star Wars with millions of fetuses in glass containers.

 

Clones = people.

[Riku3220]

I do not have a opinion on the subject, as I'm not interested and or involved with it, but I think what we should work on is stem cell research and clone/make organs. Although, that's a completely new story, what rights would a clone have?

They should have the same rights seeing as they are human as well.

[warri0r45]

I do not have a opinion on the subject, as I'm not interested and or involved with it, but I think what we should work on is stem cell research and clone/make organs. Although, that's a completely new story, what rights would a clone have?

 

We don't have to create a clone in order to get organs. We can now use stem cell technology to grow stem cells into, say, bladder cells on a solid, biodegradable 3D support. In this way, we can basically fashion organs from stem cells from the ground up. Here's a real life example:

 

http://www.stemcellnews.com/articles/stem-cells-to-replace-organs.htm

 

It's definitely an exciting area of science, and something I support wholeheartedly.

[evil_mumm_ra]

if i could, i would totally sell my kidney right now. anyone know the going price of a kidney? you see, i'm broke, i have no job as i got fired a while back and haven't been able to find a new one yet, and i need some money, i have an extra kidney, why not save a life with it while making myself some money? it works great for me, and the person who gets my kidney, i get some money and get out of the financial hole i'm currently falling endlessly into, and someone has a chance to live.

[Dizzle229]

if i could, i would totally sell my kidney right now. anyone know the going price of a kidney? you see, i'm broke, i have no job as i got fired a while back and haven't been able to find a new one yet, and i need some money, i have an extra kidney, why not save a life with it while making myself some money? it works great for me, and the person who gets my kidney, i get some money and get out of the financial hole i'm currently falling endlessly into, and someone has a chance to live.

 

Because another body accepting your DNA would cause that person to take on your traits and go pillaging.