Okay so recently I have been doing a lot of Corp, and I figured that extremes would be very useful and overloads even more so. Since I recently got 138 combat I know that the next skill i am mainly going to focus on is herblore and getting that to 99 eventually, but currently my bank isn't enough to get 96 unless I leave with say 10m lol.

So my plan was to get 92 and then just stew to make overloads. I am just wondering if people that have got overloads and have spent a heck of a lot of money on them could give me some advice.

 

To generate the money I would be selling my ags, bcp and maybe tassets. Post away :)

If you are going to stew, you'd be better off getting 93 herblore. I tried stewing with 92 and only got like 2 (3) overloads per stew on average. Getting 93 would probably triple that or something.

 

Training herblore is really worth it, and if you're maxed combat anyway I'd say go for it. Maybe get extremes first and use that to make money for overloads.

Yeah I am maxed, I'll see what the cost of 93 is. I guess I could sell the tassets to pay for 93 and if I still have enoguh cash left over buy an Armadyl skirt to make some money back there.

That or veracs for Sara haha

You should just keep your items and make the money. That said, from what I know, overloads are definitely worth it. Especially for solo boss hunting.

If you are going to stew, you'd be better off getting 93 herblore. I tried stewing with 92 and only got like 2 (3) overloads per stew on average. Getting 93 would probably triple that or something.

 

Training herblore is really worth it, and if you're maxed combat anyway I'd say go for it. Maybe get extremes first and use that to make money for overloads.

How long does it take to mix a overload? You should be using your stew after stats reduce to give you like 30 seconds to mix as many potions as possible.

If you are going to stew, you'd be better off getting 93 herblore. I tried stewing with 92 and only got like 2 (3) overloads per stew on average. Getting 93 would probably triple that or something.

 

Training herblore is really worth it, and if you're maxed combat anyway I'd say go for it. Maybe get extremes first and use that to make money for overloads.

How long does it take to mix a overload? You should be using your stew after stats reduce to give you like 30 seconds to mix as many potions as possible.

Yeah I know, that was an average. I got ~12 overloads from a +4 boost and ~28 from a +5.

When I was 95 herblore I could make 12 overloads per greenman's ale. And yes, get overloads. They are not only good for fighting, they are also very good xp for training, and reasonabely cheap (might change though with crazy torstol prices)

Get 90 then make enough money for 93 or 96. Corp is fine with extremes. Just pot every 3 kills. I get just about as many drops as people with overloads, so there's not much difference.

The constant claims about Herblore costing tens of millions to train to X level is a myth. It can cost a huge fortune to train, or a small fortune, or nearly nothing, or turn a profit -- it all depends on how smart you are, and how much of a hurry you are in.

 

Overloads are IMO overrated. The only place where they are really of any value is against boss monsters, and only because they let you use Sara brews for healing without it hurting your stats (at least, for more than a few seconds).

The constant claims about Herblore costing tens of millions to train to X level is a myth. It can cost a huge fortune to train, or a small fortune, or nearly nothing, or turn a profit -- it all depends on how smart you are, and how much of a hurry you are in.

 

Overloads are IMO overrated. The only place where they are really of any value is against boss monsters, and only because they let you use Sara brews for healing without it hurting your stats (at least, for more than a few seconds).

I haven't actually heard you mention a method to train herblore that doesn't cost hundreds of millions yet :P

 

Like every method to train herb cheaply would either be proven inefficient because it's so slow or is cheap because opportunity costs aren't calced in.

You could probably clean herbs and get xp pretty cheaply if you buy them at the right prices and sell at the right prices, but that's basically merching and you'll probably get some sort of wrist failure from all the clicking.

The constant claims about Herblore costing tens of millions to train to X level is a myth. It can cost a huge fortune to train, or a small fortune, or nearly nothing, or turn a profit -- it all depends on how smart you are, and how much of a hurry you are in.

 

Overloads are IMO overrated. The only place where they are really of any value is against boss monsters, and only because they let you use Sara brews for healing without it hurting your stats (at least, for more than a few seconds).

I haven't actually heard you mention a method to train herblore that doesn't cost hundreds of millions yet :P

 

Like every method to train herb cheaply would either be proven inefficient because it's so slow or is cheap because opportunity costs aren't calced in.

You could probably clean herbs and get xp pretty cheaply if you buy them at the right prices and sell at the right prices, but that's basically merching and you'll probably get some sort of wrist failure from all the clicking.

Cleaning herbs with mousekeys can get up to 90k+ xp/hour if you do it right and it's either to make money or come out even. Also, it's very easy to do and doesn't hurt the wrist much.

I haven't actually heard you mention a method to train herblore that doesn't cost hundreds of millions yet :P

I've mentioned them in many other threads. But there's no magic secret here -- you have to pay attention to the market as it changes and look for products that can be made economically. (Or use a guide like the one available to members on my site.)

Like every method to train herb cheaply would either be proven inefficient because it's so slow or is cheap because opportunity costs aren't calced in.

There are plenty of ways to raise Herblore that are not "slow" compared to other skills -- only "slow" compared to buying the Herblore skill.

 

Even the "slow" methods in Herblore are faster than the fastest methods in some other skills. The problem is that everyone follows the lead of those who are in a big hurry, and then says "Herblore costs zillions of geepees" when it only does so because they are in a hurry.

 

A smart and determined player can probably get from 1 to 99 Herblore in under 150 hours without losing more than a few million or so. But most players aren't...

 

There are plenty of ways to raise Herblore that are not "slow" compared to other skills -- only "slow" compared to buying the Herblore skill.

 

Even the "slow" methods in Herblore are faster than the fastest methods in some other skills. The problem is that everyone follows the lead of those who are in a big hurry, and then says "Herblore costs zillions of geepees" when it only does so because they are in a hurry.

 

A smart and determined player can probably get from 1 to 99 Herblore in under 150 hours without losing more than a few million or so. But most players aren't...

 

I know what you mean, but I have calced numerous methods and I feel that the best one that has a good balance of cash spent to time used is what I will be doing.

 

I will look at prices of some of the other herbs and maybe just get 89 for now :P

 

Thanks all :)

You can spend weeks/months getting 90/96 herblore cleaning dwarf weeds for a small profit, or make super str pots (225k exp/hour) and then spec restore pots (350k+ exp/hour) and lose around 30 gp/exp. I got 70-90 herblore using super str pots and then spec restore pots. Only took about two weeks of casual playing. Also, no carpal tunnel.

 

@ Qeltar: Most "smart and determined" players would rather not spend a few weeks of constant, boring grinding to get a skill. Not many player's definition of fun, but I can see people doing it so they don't break bank. I hate grinding (99 fm with maples cost me 4M gp and my soul), so I forked over the 125M for 90 herblore with the 350k/hour method.

Cleaning herbs will make you want to go insane and possibly give you RSI.

 

A smart and determined player can probably get from 1 to 99 Herblore in under 150 hours without losing more than a few million or so. But most players aren't...

If so then post the method you would achieve this with, remember you need to achieve 87k exp/hour average.

Without you post that I'm going to ignore all your recent posts claiming herblore is possible get to 90+ with only a few million.

 

 

Back to the topic, I would say get extremes under your belt then test them out while making some money to get the remainder of the levels.

Cleaning herbs will make you want to go insane and possibly give you RSI.

 

A smart and determined player can probably get from 1 to 99 Herblore in under 150 hours without losing more than a few million or so. But most players aren't...

If so then post the method you would achieve this with, remember you need to achieve 87k exp/hour average.

Without you post that I'm going to ignore all your recent posts claiming herblore is possible get to 90+ with only a few million.

 

 

Back to the topic, I would say get extremes under your belt then test them out while making some money to get the remainder of the levels.

 

 

Cleaning dwarf weeds/lants with mouse keys is border-line 90k exp/hour with a decent profit/hour

 

Edit: Also, making some of the skill-based potions is also extremely cheap (like mage essence or crafting potion), but you have to gather all the raws yourself. Time consuming, but decent exp.

The constant claims about Herblore costing tens of millions to train to X level is a myth. It can cost a huge fortune to train, or a small fortune, or nearly nothing, or turn a profit -- it all depends on how smart you are, and how much of a hurry you are in.

 

Overloads are IMO overrated. The only place where they are really of any value is against boss monsters, and only because they let you use Sara brews for healing without it hurting your stats (at least, for more than a few seconds).

They do hurt your stats. The max an overload restores after the 15 seconds is the boost you get. I get boosted from 96 str to 122 str, so the max it can restore every 15 sec is 26 str lvls. If my brew drains me more than that, I'm screwed. Had this at solo bandos when I was wondering why I was hitting crap. (had 36 str/att/def left or something)

Cleaning herbs will make you want to go insane and possibly give you RSI.

You don't need to clean herbs.

If so then post the method you would achieve this with, remember you need to achieve 87k exp/hour average.

Without you post that I'm going to ignore all your recent posts claiming herblore is possible get to 90+ with only a few million.

Knock yourself out. I already know what is possible, because I spent over 100 hours researching, testing and documenting dozens of methods in December.

 

And it *is* possible to get decent (>50k/hr) XP in Herblore without spending millions per hour. You just have to use your brains.

Cleaning herbs will make you want to go insane and possibly give you RSI.

You don't need to clean herbs.

If so then post the method you would achieve this with, remember you need to achieve 87k exp/hour average.

Without you post that I'm going to ignore all your recent posts claiming herblore is possible get to 90+ with only a few million.

Knock yourself out. I already know what is possible, because I spent over 100 hours researching, testing and documenting dozens of methods in December.

 

And it *is* possible to get decent (>50k/hr) XP in Herblore without spending millions per hour. You just have to use your brains.

 

 

[qeltar]Or buy membership from my site for very low cost[/qeltar]

 

 

Lol, jk. I love capitalism, too.

I'm not trying to plug my site here -- I answer dozens of questions here every week without any reference to it.

 

But yeah, it takes a lot of time to research this stuff.

As far as I know, there are only a few methods to train herblore.

Regular potions - fast, expensive.

Cleaning herbs - slow, can be pretty cheap if you buy at the right prices, kills your wrists.

Barbarian potions - slow, but can be cheap if you make the right potions.

 

I tested making sup str mixes, and with caviar being unbuyable, making one would cost 3989gp and you can sell it (or I was able to buy it, not even sure if they sell at that price), for 3765 gp. That's 5 gp/xp, and if they're as fast to make as regular potions that would be around 85k xp/hour (~2k pots per hour). This is worse than cleaning herbs, so apparently the best way to train herblore is to click on herbs for hours on end. Yes, that would probably efficient up to 4m/hour or something, but I'd assign some value to your wrists and overall enjoyment of the game too. I wouldn't call 6-7 hours of cleaning herbs per herblore level at 90+ "smart and determined".

Again, players do have a choice about whether to do faster or slower methods. And faster methods usually lose more money, specifically *because* they are faster methods. But the point is that this is, in fact, a choice.

 

Would I recommend anyone make barbarian potions or clean herbs for hours on end? Of course not -- in fact, I recommend against it. But there's nothing wrong with doing it for a half hour or an hour a day, and in a few weeks you can get levels and lose nearly nothing in the process.

 

Part of the problem with Herblore is that the mere possibility of buying levels makes everyone think that doing anything *but* buying the levels is "too slow". As just one example... making Zamorak brew mixes is a consistent 60k+ per hour at usually minimal loss or even a profit. Would anyone complain about 60k per hour in most other skills? Of course not. But in Herblore it's considered "too slow".

Part of the problem with Herblore is that the mere possibility of buying levels makes everyone think that doing anything *but* buying the levels is "too slow". As just one example... making Zamorak brew mixes is a consistent 60k+ per hour at usually minimal loss or even a profit. Would anyone complain about 60k per hour in most other skills? Of course not. But in Herblore it's considered "too slow".

specifically *because* they are faster methods

Exactly. And that's also why those slower methods aren't worth it, because there *are* other options. Who would train runecrafting the slow way anymore if there was a pyramid plunder like option? Close to no one, only those who actually like runecrafting as it is now.

So unless you like clicking herbs, it is perfectly reasonable to choose the more expensive option. I agree that it is ridiculous when people complain about herblore being too expensive though, they should either just train it or don't bother and save some money. Or, well, clean a truckload of herbs.

 

I'm kind of wondering where you got your zamorak brew mix figure from, runewiki says they're a 22 gp/xp loss?

Exactly. And that's also why those slower methods aren't worth it, because there *are* other options. Who would train runecrafting the slow way anymore if there was a pyramid plunder like option? Close to no one, only those who actually like runecrafting as it is now.

And obviously if there was a "Chaos Druid Plunder" game, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. :) But this is part of why Pyramid Plunder is widely viewed as having cheapened Thieving -- it gives too much XP too easily with little or no cost (other than lost profit from other Thieving activities.)

 

But there is no such option for Herblore, so we do have to make choices.

I'm kind of wondering where you got your zamorak brew mix figure from, runewiki says they're a 22 gp/xp loss?

Apologies, that was a bad example to use. I forgot that Zammy mixes are one of the potions where I don't use the GE price. Runewiki always uses GE prices (which I don't agree with, because the GE prices are nonsense for many potions). So we get different values.

 

Still, there are other examples.

 

Anyway, my point is not that slower and cheaper options are better, just that they do exist, and they make sense for those who view Herblore as an overwhelming hugely expensive skill.

Exactly. And that's also why those slower methods aren't worth it, because there *are* other options. Who would train runecrafting the slow way anymore if there was a pyramid plunder like option? Close to no one, only those who actually like runecrafting as it is now.

And obviously if there was a "Chaos Druid Plunder" game, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. :) But this is part of why Pyramid Plunder is widely viewed as having cheapened Thieving -- it gives too much XP too easily with little or no cost (other than lost profit from other Thieving activities.)

 

But there is no such option for Herblore, so we do have to make choices.

I'm kind of wondering where you got your zamorak brew mix figure from, runewiki says they're a 22 gp/xp loss?

Apologies, that was a bad example to use. I forgot that Zammy mixes are one of the potions where I don't use the GE price. Runewiki always uses GE prices (which I don't agree with, because the GE prices are nonsense for many potions). So we get different values.

 

Still, there are other examples.

 

Anyway, my point is not that slower and cheaper options are better, just that they do exist, and they make sense for those who view Herblore as an overwhelming hugely expensive skill.

 

 

Sorry for teh spam, Mods, but Qeltar, I'm curious, which prices do you use for your guide then? Street prices or "DIY prices"?