Doom-

No. I don't think I care either.

If you say so. Switzerland happens to disagree with you.

Dusty, I won't argue with you because you are powerless to screw up my country...at this point everyone but Sere is...and even he is on shaky ground.

 

Anyway, corrections-

Nerve Gases require a culture(or research) and food....Both of which I have.

Materials, Switzerland is mountains and wood...thats most things...it also has most of the rivers in Europe coming from it, and a particle accelerator...and rain, and water and the sun...obviously.

Suez Canel has 3 convoys of 8(or something) ships a day. All of which can be put on planes or sent round the cape of Africa...or through Panama...its not world crashing...any more than it was when Horn of Africa Pirates were raiding the ships.

Foreign companies that lift their embargo can pick up their gold....It was released it some time ago (Old knee jerk reaction)

Currency, thats true...the cost of living is decreasing too....Eventually to phase out money.

 

Have fun with the rest of the game Dusty, I am sure that someone will point out that you still just Romania because of the 5 day rule. :thumbsup:

 

You can produce all the nerve gas you want to. If that's what you're going to feed your starving population with then good luck.

Just because Switzerland has mountains and forests doesn't mean it has materials. I have a forest right near me, but I haven't found any uranium deposits in it. You can't feed anyone with a particle accelerator.

Obviously you have enough water, that's a given. You can't build a factory out of water though. At least not a working one.

Nice made up number of ships that pass through the Suez Canal.

By 1955 approximately two-thirds of Europe's oil passed through the canal. About 7.5% of world sea trade is carried via the canal today. In 2008, a total of 21,415 vessels passed through the canal and the receipts from the canal totaled $5.381 billion.[50] Average cost per-ship is roughly $250,000.00

Also, the alternative route adds another 6,000 miles.

Oh, and I don't think there's any plane in existance that can carry the same volume of oil as a super tanker.

 

It's not foreign companies that are embargoing you. It's the bloody UN. You know, that organization you thought was useless and so left? The same one that is based in Europe, the economy of which you tried to crash? Yeah. They also surround you completely. I don't think a couple tons of gold is enough to get people to turn a blind eye to someone who just runs around gassing foreigners for no reason. Especially not when they're standing right beside you, and could very well be the next recepient of a gas bombing.

 

Phase out the money, good idea. Kind of neccessary considering the Swiss currencies value is dropping like a rock. Ooh! Rock! That's what you can replace your currency with, rocks! You got plenty of those...

 

*Shrug* It's been 5 days already.

Sorry about the Suez Canel, sure I read it somewhere.

No, wait, found it

There is one shipping lane with passing areas in Ballah-Bypass near El Qantara and in the Great Bitter Lake. On a typical day, three convoys transit the canal, two southbound and one northbound. The first southbound convoy enters the canal in the early morning hours and proceeds to the Great Bitter Lake, where the ships anchor out of the fairway, awaiting passage of the northbound convoy. The northbound convoy passes the second southbound convoy, which moors in Ballah-Bypass . The passage takes between 11 and 16 hours at a speed of around 8 knots (15 km/h). The low speed helps prevent erosion of the canal banks by ships' wakes.

Just slightly above your quote. I think your quote relates to yearly, though I can't be sure.

 

Dusty, Doom...anyone else who wants to have a pop has Switzerland.... Food is fine...lets think, shall we?....We can knock down the banks and cities and return to agriculture. Worst case senario the UN causes mass death though its embargo.

Further 2.5 years have passed since then and I began my program of self-sufficency(and of course the massive supply of goods I brought from the EU might help stop people dying if that is not enough for you.)

Minerals- Fair enough...Not much I can do about that. Oh wait. Build space craft and mine the asteroids, good idea...

Oh and Switzerland is the most Xenophobic race currently in Europe...They really don't care that much that I gassed people attacking Switzerland.

Other Countries should know by now that Switzerland is Neutral and only attacks in self-defence or in the defence of others(in the isolated example)

 

 

 

Shall we look at the rest of the world?

The World Economic Forum's Global Competitiveness Report currently ranks Switzerland's economy as the most competitive in the world.

So massive loss of competition

Switzerland is home to several large multinational corporations

So they are gone, headless...

Switzerland is ranked as having one of the most powerful economies in the world

Major disruption to world trade then.

Switzerland has the second highest rate of foreign students in tertiary education

So massive loss of education

In business and management studies, University of St. Gallen (HSG) and International Institute for Management Development (IMD) are the leaders

The economy becomes more screwed

In total, 113 Nobel Prize winners stand in relation to Switzerland[81] and the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded 9 times to organisations residing in Switzerland

Science and progress in the world today takes a massive hit

Geneva hosts the world's largest laboratory, the CERN,[83] dedicated to particle physics research

Research continues to slide into the abyss

Switzerland Space Agency, the Swiss Space Office, has been involved in various space technologies and programs. In addition it was one of the 10 founders of the European Space Agency in 1975 and is the seventh largest contributor to the ESA budget.

Space takes even more of a backseat.

The country is heavily active in recycling and anti-littering regulations and is one of the top recyclers in the world, with 66% to 96% of recyclable materials being recycled, depending on the area of the country

Not really gonna change, but the enivronment takes a hit.

While some dishes such as fondue, raclette or rösti are omnipresent through the country, each region developed its own gastronomy according to the differences of climate and languages.[148] Traditional Swiss cuisine uses ingredients similar to those in other European countries, as well as unique dairy products and cheeses such as Gruyère or Emmental, produced in the valleys of Gruyères and Emmental. The number of fine-dining establishments is high, particularly in western Switzerland.

Europe loses out, rather than Switzerland on the food front.

Swiss wine is produced mainly in Valais, Vaud (Lavaux), Geneva and Ticino, with a small majority of white wines. Vineyards have been cultivated in Switzerland since the Roman era, even though certain traces can be found of a more ancient origin. The most widespread varieties are the Chasselas (called Fendant in Valais) and Pinot Noir. The Merlot is the main variety produced in Ticino

Fine Wines takes a hit.

Furthermore, many sport federations and organisations are located throughout the country, such as the International Ice Hockey Federation. The most important ones are probably the International Olympic Committee, in Lausanne, the FIFA (International Federation of Association Football), in Zürich, and the UEFA (Union of European Football Association), in Nyon.[46]

Sport is made headless

The World Economic Forum foundation is based in Geneva. It is best known for its annual meeting in Davos which brings together top international business and political leaders to discuss important issues facing the world, including health and the environment.

The World Economy takes another hit...

The European Broadcasting Union has the official headquarters in the city

Broadcasting takes a hit

Switzerland imports bulky raw materials and exports high-quality goods. In 2003 the value of one tonne of exported goods was two and a quarter times more than that of the same amount of imports.

So massive hit to the manufacturing world

 

 

In total I would say that, if Sere was being fair and just, the world should be plunged into recession for the next 8 years...knock on effect from the current recession, the price of Gold increases to 2000-3000 US Dollars per ounce. Food prices sore out of control, as does that of manufactured products....depending on if governments work together or not there is a massive inflationry effect which renders paper money useless and thus leads to everyone carrying Gold instead, which means that Governments are made powerless to trade with each other.

Education is dragged down slightly, though not by a massive amount.

 

In some total the world suffers quite substantially more than Switzerland.

Happy Days, you managed to destroy the World Economy...something I wasn't even trying to do(well not at the time anyway). :thumbsup:

Nah I can just take a page out of the Archi Playbook and deflect all your legitimate information gathering with a snide comment and some well placed smiley faces :wink:

 

The world economy continues to be stable, Switzerland is plunged into chaos.

 

In other news, the sale of Slavic Army Knives has skyrocketed, due to the lack of Swiss ones, which were inferior anyways and only survived through brand loyalty and brand recognition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG1W1h5W17Y

 

Life goes on in Switzerland, for the numerous reasons explained above.

Nah, I could go through it all and note that all your points are wildly exaggerated and based on very loose facts, but to be quite honest I don't really care for your little tirade anymore. Switzerland is facing the most dire economic situation it has ever seen, and you're just sitting there blindly denying every point made against you. So, I'll just do the same.

 

No country in the world can survive without trade. Especially one like Switzerland that has next to no natural resources and relies on foreign investment and trade to employ its citizens and generate wealth. Saying "I'll mine the mooooooon!" is pointless as you don't even have access to the jet fuel to get into space in the first place anymore.

 

Nevermind the fact that you forgot to mention there how exactly you're going to come up with enough food to feed 35% of your population, as well as completely ignoring the dissent buildup that's steadily approaching flash point.

double post. I was tempted to put 'dp' for short but then I remembered this is a PG forum.

No country in the world can survive without trade.

Germany did fine for 4 years of world war 1...

North Korea is doing fine

That statement has no basis in reality...except that you can't deal with the concept....It is even counter intuitive....No country can survive without trade...No man is an Island....Oh, wait, Hermits...

Perhaps people could take this to the arguement thread so that I don't have to read 30+ pages to understand what is happening :shame:

Paul, there is no need. Dusty needs to say his piece because he wants to defeat me...because he wants me to throw a hissy fit and storm off the thread like everyone else does when the Great Dusty commands it.

No country in the world can survive without trade.

Germany did fine for 4 years of world war 1...

North Korea is doing fine

That statement has no basis in reality...except that you can't deal with the concept....It is even counter intuitive....No country can survive without trade...No man is an Island....Oh, wait, Hermits...

 

Germany was trading with plenty of countries during WW1.

North Korea is trading with countries (though, I would remind you that there are some people in NK that are eating bark because they don't get enough food because of their corrupt government).

 

Keep in mind that a huge portion of Switzerland's wealth comes from trading. So, yes, cutting off foreign trade would completely destabilize the country.

 

And I was going to say 'no man is an island', then I realized it isn't really applicable as there's plenty of countries that are islands. Lol.

 

Paul, there is no need. Dusty needs to say his piece because he wants to defeat me...because he wants me to throw a hissy fit and storm off the thread like everyone else does when the Great Dusty commands it.

Didn't realize I ever said that.

No, what I want you to get through your thick skull is that you can't just go around sticking your dirty hands into everyones pie and believe the next person you do it to isn't going to stop you.

Everything you've done in this game so far hasn't gained you anything. It's all been done just to piss everyone off and giggle while people try to piece stuff back together again.

I'm just tired of your parading around without thinking that actions have consequences and there are other people in this game other than you.

So piss off mate.

:rolleyes:

 

 

Dusty I understand your point. I disagree with it. I know how unstable the world economy is. I didn't and don't want to be part of it when it goes under...Yeah, you cut me down about half way though the plan...but Switzerland is not nearly as weak as it was...Remember when the EU embargoed me? This is just a repeate of that on a larger, longer scale.

The people of Switzerland will survive, and even if they do suffer continually though the period, which hopefully they won't but I accept that they probably will in some sense, they have no alternatives...If they give up their chemical weapons then Germany-France and possible other European countries will invade....If they don't give up their chemical weapons then they will suffer hardships as they attempt to recover.

 

The UN has backed them into a corner and in that situation there are only three options....Surrender(not likely given their history), Starvation(Not likely considering they are human beings) or Survival.

 

If you have an alternative then please suggest it, but as of right now my solution to stand fast and attempt to survive, even if it is by eating bread every day for two years while the master plan comes together...It is the best plan avalible to them.

 

So I will throw my hands up and say, yeah, people might die, but people will get angry at Cabbigas for sending troops to Somalia...Or Romania for attacking them...or the UN for trying to strange them into submission. They might get angry with King Archi, for leading them away from the 'path of prosperity' and to this wasteland, but he at least planned for this and has a way to get them out of it....

Crying over split milk never solved anything and the Swiss are smart enough to know this.

The EU embargo never happened. It was just Germany that embargoed you. This is half the world embargoing you.

 

Chemical weapons aren't some super-buff against German invasion. The Swiss didn't threaten to use chemical weapons in WW1 or WW2, and Germany never invaded them.

 

Your three options aren't surrender, starvation, or survival. Don't try to stupidity as a style, it doesn't look good on you.

 

Here is what I was thinking:

1. You stop using chemcial warfare weapons, consdering they're stupid and over-powered within the game anyways

2. You stop construction of the dam in the Suez Canal, since it really gains you nothing anyways

3. You pay compensation to the SSR for killing 900 of its peacekeepers in cold blood.

 

BAM. Sanction/Embargo gone.

 

I'm pissed off at you because everything you've done so far would've had disastrous economic impacts on Europe and the world, while somehow magically strengthening your position (since apparently Switzerland exists in another dimension apart from our own).

Hehe, Dusty, Switzerland isolating itself from the magic of world debt and all that crap which doesn't really work when you are not living in the system(After all we are never gonna have a recession in this game...we are never gonna have to face global warming or anything dire. Unless Sere pulls his finger out and turns this into one long unended nightmare(Ever see a happy politian?) people are just going to invent the fatabulous to liven things up.

 

Switzerland contacts the UN and wishes to make a deal.

 

Switzerland doesn't want to lose the experiance it has gained with Chemical Weapons, but will willing to negotiate to study them and train with them, on a small scale only...And to share the cures and defensive data with the UN.(Which effectively makes them underpowered if any country uses chemical weapons again.) The training will be specifically to resist the effects of nerve toxins and such, not to deploy them. To this end the UN will get 5 permenant permits to travel to, and around, Switzerland.

Mustard Gas mines and the various chemicals developed in the past will be destroyed, though Switzerland's borders will remain, and probably become even more heavily weaponised.

The Suez Canel project is cancelled..since Abbysinia has been given independance by the UN....and Switzerland no longer feels like trying to help the world recover the problems it is sliding into.

Switzerland agrees to free electricity to Romania, one year for each person killed(up to 300 Billion Kwh for 900 years) unless something significant(World ending...or the UN disbands...something like that) happens.

 

Switzerland goes into extreme isolation, any foreigner on their soil will still be arrested for acts of sedition, unless they have a permit.

TFTA(if you were wonder) has its leadership pass to Russia.

Switzerland continues its self-sufficency, which will be complete(outside of industy) by 2020.

The Swiss Space program really takes off into overdrive, estimates place their first manned mission in 2015 and the first manned intersolar flight to begin in 2018. The mission will be to Mars, where a small base will be set up to conduct research, three other nations are invited to send teams of three people. The ship will arrive in 2025. There will be another ship sent every 5 years, with one returning every 5 years as well. Other flights are planned to mine asteroids, but the primary focus is the research mission to Mars.

No permenant space presence will be established until 2050, at the earliest.

 

This will be the extent of Switzerland's international actions, with little trade and politik being engaged.

It is fair to say that the Swiss people are extremely hostile to the idea of any other nation interacting with them(The Space Mission being an exception due to the UN) or them interacting with any other nation....With the exception of India, which didn't turn against them.

The various embargoes have been lifted.

 

NASA is delighted about the Swiss Space Programme and hopes that humanity will be able to one day colonize Mars.

The SSR accepts Switzerland's offer.

 

Btw I think India just agreed to smuggle stuff in to piss me off :P

Scandinavia starts researching a way to comprimate (plastic and powder) explosives safely.

 

This shouldn't take long, 1.5 years?

Switzerland, worried about the break down to the internet, due to five brands dominating - You Tube, Amazon, Wikipedia, Google and Facebook - the markets, sets up a new Hyper-Site in a new, extensively reformatted, code, which is backwards compatible with HTTP but is viewed in much better detail by downloading the new web browser 'S-Net' or 'Space-Net'.

The Hyper-Site creates a new form of internet, untainted by corporatism or hierachies, and is basically a review of the Internet, as well as being a place to create new websites, completely for free.

Hyper-Site has a download and installation feature which installs all the data (It installs in direct relation to the Kernal of Linux, Windows and Mac, so no matter which form you use it works).

 

Switzerland itself is highly critical of this new idea and refuses to grant any funding at all, however Cabbigas agrees to allow the website's founder, Steven Newton, access to the orbiting propaganda satalites, launched last year to combat German invasion of France. The Satalites have been moved from their standard trajectories so that information can be accessed from anywhere on the planet(Except underground and ect) by any wireless device with a HTTP or S-Net connection. However, at present data cannot be uploaded via the satalite network and more traditional systems have to be used. The download is by Cascade...basically the entire web is transmitted by these satalites every 5 minutes...which is slow update speed and unsuitable for gameplay, but is currently the best system.

Steven Newton will be upgrading the coverage over the next five years to support incoming, as well as outgoing singal, with the help of the Swiss Space program.

 

The whole system is generally better than the web and S-Net has better browser functions than any other, in addition to only being 10 Megabytes, anlysts predict that it will have replaced Internet Explorer, Firefox and Safari within 5 years. Hype-Site and the Internet 2.0 show great signs of restructuring the web, potentially replacing all the current systems by the end of the year!

 

 

Switzerland has begun working on the U-Shadow, an implant designed to connect to the S-Net and display data directly to the person using the implant. This will have great benefits in the militart and spy professions....as well as just generally being good for people to have, as they can now access the internet anytime.

Since the device can only display information(When it is completed) it cannot be used to control human beings...or anything like that.

The technology will be completed in 2020.

 

Switzerland also begins working on a limited SI, a very small version, which can later be installed onto the U-Shadow, it will be completed in 2029.

 

 

The Swiss staging point on the darkside of the moon is being constructed, due to finish in 2015.

 

Extra-Solar travel has been ruled out, as taking any less than 60 years for a ship to travel to the nearest star is too long to be considered resonable. FTL technology has been offically disproved due to the discovery of Enstein's law of Cumulative Motion, which indicates that once light speed was achieved anything travelling at lightspeed would be converted to pure energy, releasing the mass entirely. ECM indicates that the energy would disperse spherically. There is no system of containing the energy due to the second law of thermodynamics, which means the energy is irrevocably changed, and thus can never be re-consistuted...

A Number of other rules exist and basically make FTL impossible.

Already a new site has sprung up, promising a new operating system which can be run using the internet, and can be installed via the satalite link.

Russia asks Switzerland if they have special permit to enter their country as the Swiss were our closest allies

 

Also which countries are in the TFTA?

Ico-

You betrayed me over Ethiopia.

Uhhhh :S, ok :S

And then abandoned me when I needed help...

 

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I was offline or asleep at the time, i Somtimes fall asleep at my pc

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Ah well, I am on my isolationist binge, though you can join my space program, if you like