My issues with the United States

[The Dark Lord]

The overall attitude of 'native' Americans to illegal Hispanics is disgusting and you know it. If a illegal Pole or Dane came over here no one would suspect anything. But cuz the Hispanic is darker and speaks funny, he must be illegal and must get out. Its [bleep]ing [cabbage].

 

I don't believe that it's so much the fact that they're half-Native, but the fact that a lot of illegals don't transition well and a lot of them can barely speak English. I don't suspect anyone of being a candidate for illegal immigration unless they hardly speak English, then I start to become suspicious.

 

Another thing you got to realize: you CAN'T BECOME LEGAL IN THIS COUNTRY IF YOU'RE A POOR UNSKILLED LABORER. .

 

Hmm. I didn't realize that.

 

In my opinion, if a person is willing to contribute to society, they should be a candidate for Citizenship. If they are not willing to do so, they should be kicked out immediately. Likewise, they should be willing to give up part of their identity in order to conform to our culture, respect our values, and learn our language if they want to move here. If they aren't willing to do that, they are dangerous to our society.

 

However, you must also realize that there is a limit to our resources; American-born individuals should always gain priority over an immigrant. We must also try to prevent overpopulation. It's for the greater good, after all. We can't save the world.

[Giordano]

 

No one would suspect an illegal Pole or Dane because they aren't the problem. There aren't enough jobs for all of the legal Americans. We can't just accept every poor immigrant wanting to come to America for a better life because it just makes more people without jobs.

 

We also shouldn't be blaming the American government or illegal immigrants. It's the major companies' fault because they've all gone overseas to countries with no minimum wage laws in order to gain more profit.

One would also say, the more people here means more consumers. Meaning more jobs. Just saying.

 

 

The overall attitude of 'native' Americans to illegal Hispanics is disgusting and you know it. If a illegal Pole or Dane came over here no one would suspect anything. But cuz the Hispanic is darker and speaks funny, he must be illegal and must get out. Its [bleep]ing [cabbage].

 

I don't believe that it's so much the fact that they're half-Native, but the fact that a lot of illegals don't transition well and a lot of them can barely speak English. I don't suspect anyone of being a candidate for illegal immigration unless they hardly speak English, then I start to become suspicious.

Not so much the parents, but most children of immigrants don't speak much Spanish, they're English. When dealing with immigration, it's the long run that counts not the short-term.

 

Another thing you got to realize: you CAN'T BECOME LEGAL IN THIS COUNTRY IF YOU'RE A POOR UNSKILLED LABORER. .

 

Hmm. I didn't realize that.

 

In my opinion, if a person is willing to contribute to society, they should be a candidate for Citizenship. If they are not willing to do so, they should be kicked out immediately. Likewise, they should be willing to give up part of their identity in order to conform to our culture, respect our values, and learn our language if they want to move here. If they aren't willing to do that, they are dangerous to our society.

 

However, you must also realize that there is a limit to our resources; American-born individuals should always gain priority over an immigrant. We must also try to prevent overpopulation. It's for the greater good, after all. We can't save the world.

So is America the melting pot or not? It's not just about mixing races, but cultures. Besides, the next generation becomes quickly Americanized.

 

Remember what this country stands for: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Stick with the Constitution or don't. Also, stick with Capitalism or don't. Whoever can do the job better...should get it.

[Riku3220]

 

No one would suspect an illegal Pole or Dane because they aren't the problem. There aren't enough jobs for all of the legal Americans. We can't just accept every poor immigrant wanting to come to America for a better life because it just makes more people without jobs.

 

We also shouldn't be blaming the American government or illegal immigrants. It's the major companies' fault because they've all gone overseas to countries with no minimum wage laws in order to gain more profit.

One would also say, the more people here means more consumers. Meaning more jobs. Just saying.

Wouldn't be a problem if people didn't need jobs in order to be consumers.

[Giordano]

 

No one would suspect an illegal Pole or Dane because they aren't the problem. There aren't enough jobs for all of the legal Americans. We can't just accept every poor immigrant wanting to come to America for a better life because it just makes more people without jobs.

 

We also shouldn't be blaming the American government or illegal immigrants. It's the major companies' fault because they've all gone overseas to countries with no minimum wage laws in order to gain more profit.

One would also say, the more people here means more consumers. Meaning more jobs. Just saying.

Wouldn't be a problem if people didn't need jobs in order to be consumers.

But people consume more than they produce, especially in this country.

[Riku3220]

 

No one would suspect an illegal Pole or Dane because they aren't the problem. There aren't enough jobs for all of the legal Americans. We can't just accept every poor immigrant wanting to come to America for a better life because it just makes more people without jobs.

 

We also shouldn't be blaming the American government or illegal immigrants. It's the major companies' fault because they've all gone overseas to countries with no minimum wage laws in order to gain more profit.

One would also say, the more people here means more consumers. Meaning more jobs. Just saying.

Wouldn't be a problem if people didn't need jobs in order to be consumers.

But people consume more than they produce, especially in this country.

I'm not saying we won't have the supplies or space for a large population increase. Just that if half of the population isn't working, they aren't going to be consumers because they have no money to buy anything except for necessities.

[The Dark Lord]

So is America the melting pot or not? It's not just about mixing races, but cultures. Besides, the next generation becomes quickly Americanized.

 

Remember what this country stands for: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Stick with the Constitution or don't. Also, stick with Capitalism or don't. Whoever can do the job better...should get it.

 

Yes, yes... "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness". They are great words, but, again, there is a limit to what we can do. We simply can't allow immigrants to flood into the country without causing severe long-term problems for the general well-being of ALL people. Like you said, we must think about the long-term when dealing with immigration...

 

Whoever can do the job better should get it, yes. Again, we must still try to give the American citizen priority over the immigrant (who does not have citizenship). We must try to take care of our own before taking care of the World.

 

As for America being the melting-pot. Yes, it is a so-called "melting pot", but it never started off that way. The introduction of foreign cultures can be harmful due to it clashing with the 'native' culture. It may seem horrible and unfortunate, but that's how the world works. The clash of cultures can only contribute to a growing crime rate, after all. Likewise, the next generation does conform well, but they still hold onto a lot of their culture (which gradually vanishes over the subsequent generations). The fragment of foreign culture that the child holds onto is still enough to cause social tension and disunity. I'm not saying that it's right, but that's just how the world works.

[Star_Fox]

Life isn't fair, isn't meant to be, and never will be. A fact we must all come to terms with.

 

then why the [bleep] is suicide so frowned upon?

[Romy]

Life isn't fair, isn't meant to be, and never will be. A fact we must all come to terms with.

 

then why the [bleep] is suicide so frowned upon?

 

Mostly because of idiots IMO.

 

I can't recall 1 democratic country in the world that doesn't put emphasize on human beings' *right* for life and security, and at the same time forces anyone with (known) suicidal intents to be hospitalaized or something similar.

 

 

Personaly, I think life is meaningless. For some reason I can't quite put my finger on, I want to live. I trust that if I ever find out what that reason is, I'd be on the scale of either strong desire to suicide, or simply having suicidal thoughts.

I believe that if anyone has reached the point where s/he wants to kill her/himself, s/he very well should, and should be the only one to decide so.

[SeanyTheSailor]

Just kind of skimming I'm noticing a lot of talk about illegal immigration. Let me make something clear that I don't think a lot of people express. I don't care if you're white,black,yellow,red or any mix of those, come here legally or get out. Before you start saying oh well no one rips on illegal immigrants apart from Mexicans, maybe that's because when we hit the 300million mark it was more likely it was an illegal immigrant than that baby in Florida or whatever. Is it fair that they have become the target of the illegal immigration fight? I don't know, I haven't seen their numbers compared to other countries. Is it right to hate all Mexicans? Hell no. But my ancestors came here legally and probably so did most of yours. And before you start telling me how they just want a better life, look at how many of them join gangs. I don't care if you want a better life but I do when you start tearing down other peoples to get it. I also don't believe you should be given it, its the pursuit of happiness not the giving of happiness.

[Alg]

No one would suspect an illegal Pole or Dane because they aren't the problem. There aren't enough jobs for all of the legal Americans. We can't just accept every poor immigrant wanting to come to America for a better life because it just makes more people without jobs.

 

We also shouldn't be blaming the American government or illegal immigrants. It's the major companies' fault because they've all gone overseas to countries with no minimum wage laws in order to gain more profit.

Actually from what I hear it's illegal immigrants taking the jobs that nobody else wants. In fact there was a column in the local newspaper a while ago where an employer said that he would hire immigrants because they would actually work harder than the white guy that wants his entry level job to pay highly for a small amount of work.

[Laura]

WTF @ the No Child Left Behind act. The solution should be to make different test forms to challenge those brainy ones and give the dumb ones the easier questions. My math class uses that system and it works out well for us.

Why should I be forced to take a harder maths test? I would purposely lower my grades so I could take the easier format.

 

We also shouldn't be blaming the American government or illegal immigrants. It's the major companies' fault because they've all gone overseas to countries with no minimum wage laws in order to gain more profit.

One could blame the government for that as well, actually.

[tortilliachp]

My primary concern with the American society is a key facet of morality: the right to do whatever you like, barring all moral concerns

 

that may sound inconcievable, and limiting to many; it requires an explanation:

 

1. The right to pollute is a basic american right.

2. the right to starve is a basic american right.

3. the right to selfishness is an american right.

4. The right to bear arms is an american right.

5. The right to be sentenced to death

 

the list goes on, yet the implications are profound:

 

Many americans see taxating as the government stealing their money, not recognizes the services taxation gives them.

Many americans act selfishly based on their right to help themselves, and no others. That is true for all countries, but politicians get elected for protecting the right to selfishness.

Many americans see their right to let others perish without intervention. Illegal immigrants, the weak, the elderly, the sick: the " life, libety and the pursuit of happiness" is one of circumstance, not of equal opportunity.

Many americans see the right for corporations to finance and lobby the political system to such a degree that the people's representatives do not act on behalf of the people.

Many americans see their right to spend money today, leaving future generations to pay the deficit of excess.

Many americans see their right for social inequality to subsist, money talks.

 

Thus the american economy is based on consumption that is not sustainable, and policy does not secure its population basic human rights. of course, the majority of countries fare far worse, but the influence of the Americans gobally, and the lack of recognition that their morality, and system upholding this morality is destructive.

 

we have to recognize the failures of our countries, but also celebrate the successes that different systems produce. Personally, I don't like the lack of social concern in the American system, each to their own, leave the rest to rot. I do like very many other facets of american society though.

[scootlaboot]

You know what the government really needs to do, stop wasting taxpayer money on useless studies. Do we really need the government hiring "experts" to tell us things like "most accidents occur in the home". That money could be used for more important things like, I don't know, our public schools.

[pegpenguin]

Okay, I'd read all this off topic nonsense, but it's just people complaining about america and I honestly don't care enough for america to defend or attack it >.>

 

OT

 

1) I hate this system so very much. All I've ever wanted to learn was to read and music. I don't need any kind of algebra, but for some reason to get my masters in music I have to take general ed. which to me is a waste of money I don't have. I don't need to know about american history to live the life I want to live. Home of the free? Yeah, sure, if by free, you mean invisibly chained by the idiots in society. It's cause of the standardization of education instead of the specializing of it, no one is interested. No one wants to learn the same thing as everyone else, we all want to learn the things we're interested in and things we're good at.

 

2) Most of my dads side of the family is on welfare, and they are all heavy drug users. I hate this so much, the government funding something it declares illegal. I just want my government to protect me from external and internal threats, why over complicate things with people depending on welfare? I will never depend on the State to pay for me, even if I didn't have a job. Which, btw, there really aren't that many jobs. I've been looking for jobs for almost 3 years nonstop and have only had a job for about six months total in that time. And theres no reason for people not to hire me, seriously, I like working and I don't drink or do drugs or anything stupid...

 

3) I have claimed my whole life politics are stupid because the ones who are most fit to lead, are the ones who must suffer the idiots who actually get into positions of power.

[Vulxai]

It's cause of the standardization of education instead of the specializing of it, no one is interested. No one wants to learn the same thing as everyone else, we all want to learn the things we're interested in and things we're good at.

 

No one is interested in education these days? Ah, so that explains why more and more people are going to college then.

[tortilliachp]

It's cause of the standardization of education instead of the specializing of it, no one is interested. No one wants to learn the same thing as everyone else, we all want to learn the things we're interested in and things we're good at.

 

No one is interested in education these days? Ah, so that explains why more and more people are going to college then.

 

Rather, well-roundedness has been exchanged for specialization, and information resources and experts have replaced knowing and doing things yourself:

 

if you need food, go to a restaurant.

if you need to fix a heater, go to a repairman.

if you need to use statistics in science, hire a statistician.

if you need to switch the lightbulb of your car, go to the officially licensed garage.

if you need to vote, just leave the policy up to the politicians

 

the premature specialization of adults is a loss for society, as well-roundedness and general knowledge leads to more rapid development in all areas concerned: your level of understanding is deepend. In that spirit, i choose to get away from the univerities of my own country, that has no general education, but only professional studies. I want my general education, my 3rd language education, my in-depth global history, geography and politics courses because they allow me to live a more balanced, thoughtful and academic life. Presumptiuous? yes, but there lies a "nugget of truth within my lies" ( quoted from A room of one's own by virgina Woolf" because litterature and culture are essential for our social understanding and maturity as well.

 

I want to learn what i'm interested in, but i recognize that time and effort spent learning and understanding other facets of life is also important. It's not random what you learn in school.

[pegpenguin]

Aww Vulpix you're puttin words in my mouth. I was speaking of public and free education. College is more about choosing what you want to learn.

 

And the standardization of education would be all fine and good if they didn't lower the standards so that kids who have failed will still pass. If you look at a 1st grade vocabulary assignment from colonial time and compare it to a 1st grade one from the present, you'll see how badly standardization has hurt the education system. I first saw it my junior year of high school and I would safely say about half the kids my age at that time wouldn't know about 9 of the ten or so words on the assignment. How depressing is it that a six year old from 200+ years ago could understand English better than someone 10 years older? And you try and tell me we're moving forward?