The Lucid Lynx

[das]

so off topic. Someone tell me why this is better than windows 7. :P

 

*runs*

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

so off topic. Someone tell me why this is better than windows 7. :P

 

*runs*

 

 

It's a fair bit easier to get started up with Ubuntu Lucid than Win 7 imo - you have all the necessary applications you need, and you can always install more with a few clicks or commands.

 

Of course it's all personal preference. :P

 

Anyway, I plan to give Lucid a try later this week. The new UI doesn't have me endeared to them, but I do enjoy the fact that my laptop's wireless LED indicator works now.

[D. V. Devnull]

so off topic. Someone tell me why this is better than windows 7. :P

 

*runs*

Wow... Like I couldn't see this coming a mile off... <_<

 

 

Alright, you crazy joker... Here's a killer:

 

Windows 7 --- Have to pay an "arm and a leg"-worth of $$$ to buy and use it. :angry:

 

Ubuntu --- 100% free. :D

 

Winner: Ubuntu :thumbsup:

 

 

It just isn't a very tough choice when you can be gouged for just getting the software to initially run and use your PC. :ugeek:

 

~Mr. D. V. "Hmph... 'Nuff said." Devnull

 

 

 

(p.s.: Not a Linux bigot here, albeit I'm gonna have to learn Linux... Using Windows XP as I type this... Just really [bleep] mad at MicroSoft for all their failures, ranging from over-inflated prices to [bleep] malware-enabling security holes. Can you say "Swiss Cheese"?)

[das]

Windows 7 isn't that expensive *Shrugs*

[Skeptical]

Windows 7 isn't that expensive *Shrugs*

 

It's not about expense, at least not to me.

 

First of all, the people going "Ubuntu is Linux for Windows users, it's soooo simple!" - that's crap, unless all you want to do is use FireFox and OpenOffice - It's harder to use than Windows: the way that Linux is designed will likely ensure that it always is.

 

Free is good, but it also has a negative overtone, since it's basic human trait to go "if free is good, expensive must be better" - it's an important part of the pricing games that marketers play. But I choose free, open-source software over the crashware that Microsoft provides, and the simplified, graphically redundant programs that Apple sells. (I actually don't like Apple that much more than Microsoft).

 

The level of access that Linux provides to me is unbelievable: terminals allow me to do things that I had never imagined possible when I was still a Windows user: there, the OS simply hides the actual workings of your computer from you and over-simplifies using it so that incompetent users don't damage anything. In Linux, you have the ability to alter (and distribute, if you are so inclined) any changes that you can possibly code into it.

 

http://makezine.com/04/ownyourown/

^"Screws, not glue." Yes, my computer is at times inaccessible to me (I'm considering building my next laptop, if I can find someone with the necessary technical skills to assist me) but my operating system is not just an pretty GUI - it's a tool, that I can alter freely, according to my own will. Opacity is never a virtue - if you have to hide it, it shouldn't be sold. (There are obviously exception: nuclear weapon blueprints should be kept secret, and people ALWAYS have the right to absolute privacy: it's just that companies and their products aren't people).

 

In short, if you can't take it apart, see how it works, alter it, and then put it back together again, you don't own it.

 

Also, I do truly hate Microsoft. Not the people that work there, and not Bill Gates, but Microsoft and their products.

[Ember]

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[das]

I get the idea you're just cruising for potentially amusing responses on this one, so I'll leave the list at that.

Half trolling, half wanting someone to convince me to write a darn good argument like you did. I've always enjoyed XP, and windows 7 has been a dream so far for my personal use, so I certainly wouldn't mind knowing things like you posted, I certainly found your post informative and interesting, i'll have to catch up with you on MSN or something later

[D. V. Devnull]

One more reason to hate Windows 7 and love Ubuntu ... Windows 7 can't handle a whole myriad of ancient games that a whole ton of people like. :angry:

 

[spoiler=Something remotely considerable as a Joke inside...]And don't make me get started with this one, or you might be forced to close the thread from flooding. :twisted:

 

 

~D. V. "Ancient Classic Gamers, and Windows 7, are NOT compatible..." Devnull

[dsavi]

so off topic. Someone tell me why this is better than windows 7. :P

 

*runs*

• Transparency: Since the code is open, you also know that your data is being treated with respect.
  
• Freedom: Not only to view the code but you can do just about whatever you want with the programs. You don't need to worry about activation keys if something breaks.
  
• You can get a deeper understanding of the system, among other things since the Linux command line is so well documented.
  
• Runs on pretty much anything. I have the Karmic Koala running on a 12 year old laptop (366MhZ/256MB/No graphics acceleration). It boots up in about a minute, something my desktop couldn't do with a fresh install of Vista. The problem with Windows 7 is that it's locked into new hardware; Ubuntu runs decently on lots of hardware. There's no sudden cutoff where the boot speed goes up to minutes.
  
• The system makes so much sense!
  
• If you want lots of eyecandy, Kubuntu/KDE offers it.
  

[obfuscator]

Ehh I got windows 7 for free.

 

I run linux on a server but that's as far into it as I've ever bothered to go.

[Skeptical]

Ehh I got windows 7 for free.

 

I run linux on a server but that's as far into it as I've ever bothered to go.

 

Then you, my friend are missing out.

 

Lucky for you, Lucid is just sitting on a server or a homemade disk waiting for a new home....

 

And you can always dual-boot: it fits onto like 5gib (full-install) if you really want it to.

[dsavi]

Ehh I got windows 7 for free.

Me too, didn't take me long to switch back. I missed the Linux command line too much. Window's restrictive, illogical CLI is useless and annoying to use.

[Skeptical]

Ehh I got windows 7 for free.

Me too, didn't take me long to switch back. I missed the Linux command line too much. Windows is restrictive, illogical CLI and is useless and annoying to use.

 

Fixed. :thumbup:

 

Just kidding, Windows fanboys.

[D. V. Devnull]

Ehh I got windows 7 for free.

Me too, didn't take me long to switch back. I missed the Linux command line too much. Windows is restrictive, illogical CLI and is useless and annoying to use.

Fixed. :thumbup:

 

Just kidding, Windows fanboys.

Not a fan of either OS right now, but this made me LOL ... :twss:

 

~Mr. D. V. "ROFLMDCFLYAO!!!" Devnull

[Orpheus]

I still use XP, although I don't think it would really hurt to give this a try in a dual-boot. Any issues I had with XP were usually hardware-related for some reason. And I never had a virus in the past two years. It all comes down to the user to be honest. And I'm way too used to XP, so maybe trying something else wouldn't hurt.

 

I used Ubuntu before, but I hit two issues that I could not seem to resolve:

 

1) The graphics driver refused to install whatsoever, even with the instructions from Nvidia's site. If that worked and Steam was ported over, I'd never need to use XP again.

 

2) After going from 8.04 to 9.04, I couldn't get my computer to dual-boot correctly back into XP again for whatever reason. And my wireless card wasn't detected either. Could it be my wireless card just isn't recognized also?

[Ember]

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[dsavi]

I still use XP, although I don't think it would really hurt to give this a try in a dual-boot. Any issues I had with XP were usually hardware-related for some reason. And I never had a virus in the past two years. It all comes down to the user to be honest. And I'm way too used to XP, so maybe trying something else wouldn't hurt.

 

I used Ubuntu before, but I hit two issues that I could not seem to resolve:

 

1) The graphics driver refused to install whatsoever, even with the instructions from Nvidia's site. If that worked and Steam was ported over, I'd never need to use XP again.

 

2) After going from 8.04 to 9.04, I couldn't get my computer to dual-boot correctly back into XP again for whatever reason. And my wireless card wasn't detected either. Could it be my wireless card just isn't recognized also?

First of all, like Nyosuht said it's much better to get the drivers from Ubuntu's automated installer; If you install them yourself like I do (To get the very latest drivers for a program I use, games run fine on older drivers) you have to stop the X server (Read: Go into text-only mode) and install it from a command line.

 

And, Steam is coming out for Linux this summer! :-D

 

(Which isn't to say that Steam doesn't work fine through WINE already, Gmod runs pretty smoothly and I'm sure other source-based games do too)

[Orpheus]

I'll probably give it a try, went and downloaded an .iso.

[Orpheus]

Went ahead and tried it, and I kinda like it. It's simple enough.

 

EDIT: Steam seems to feel really slow. I used the graphics driver that was recommended from the Hardware Drivers option under System>Administration. Nvidia GeForce 9600GT if anyone is wondering.

 

Is there some special configuration I need to do to get Steam to run at a reasonable pace?

 

EDIT REDUX: Steam running a bit slow is normal apparently, and games run fine, it's just I'm not getting all the FPS I normally get in XP for whatever reason. Anyone know any common causes for this? I get anywhere from 20-40FPS on medium settings and dxlevel 80. On XP I get 100+ FPS and dxlevel 90. And on a more interesting note, I seem to get less, if no lagspikes in online games with this wireless card, whereas it happens more often than not in XP. And this is in CS:S

[Ember]

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[Skeptical]

Ubuntu was mentioned on The Big Bang Theory last night.

http://flamesandfallacy.blogspot.com/2010/05/big-bang-theoyr-ubuntu.html

 

BTW, I just wondered: do you pronounce the name properly (it's actually oo-buntu) or like everyone I know does: (you-buntu). People look at me strangely and argue with me if I say it properly... WTF.

[D. V. Devnull]

BTW, I just wondered: do you pronounce the name properly (it's actually oo-buntu) or like everyone I know does: (you-buntu). People look at me strangely and argue with me if I say it properly... WTF.

Last time I checked, it sounds like "ooboontoo" ... Maybe everyone just has a different way to say the same thing? :wacko:

 

~Mr. D. V. "Of course, I could just be messed up by my local influences as well..." Devnull

[Orpheus]

I've never touched that game, but http://appdb.winehq.org/ is the place to go for how well certain programs work and what the optimal settings are.

Apparently CS:S is Counter-Strike: Source, which has a platinum rating under 1.1.41 and a few gold.

 

Steam doesn't feel slow on my machine, with wine-1.1.44. I've not used it under Windows, but it's hard to imagine it being much more responsive.

How responsive are the buttons for you? Does it take a second for them to respond, or is it pretty much immediate?

[Ember]

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[Orpheus]

The program responds immediately, but some of the content takes a moment to load.

Oh. The buttons take just a second to respond for me, and the games (mostly) run like butter, so it works fine by my standards.