Happy July the 4th!

[The Dark Lord]

I'm proud that my ancestors were Englishmen that moved to America in search of a better life. We fought in the American Revolution and War of 1812! God Bless America!

 

I always seem to forget to post a July 4 thread every year, so I would like to go ahead and take this honour to post one in advance. Enjoy the song!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvRieyAr5ww

 

Happy July 4!

[H2PM]

Yeah!

I'm excited for the 4th.

[Iconic]

Our school serves american food all day (burgers, chips and another array of other junk food)

 

I dislike the fact that they are celebrating betrayal and murder, I bet if the state of Texas decided that they wanted 'independance' and waged war on the rest of America killing thousands of innocents it wouldn't be celebrated but thats what happened. If the Nazi's had won the war, the day when they won would probably be a national event.

The Americans at the time were English, killing English people - it was a civil war not a war on an evil empire.

[champion]

Rofl, the video in the first post is blocked in my country due to copyright? XD

[Hedgehog]

Happy birthday, America!

[Iconic]

Rofl, the video in the first post is blocked in my country due to copyright? XD

I assume you live in China?

 

Also, I dislike the fact the Christopher Columbus is stated as discovering America when about ten other people had before (including the native americans)

Oh yeh, thats what happened isn't it, the Americans walk in and say that America is now theirs and like the Nazi's make one race live in ghetto's (or as they were called then, reserves).

[champion]

Rofl, the video in the first post is blocked in my country due to copyright? XD

I assume you live in China?

No. Pretty funny how a video celebrating America's freedom is blocked in America.

 

I'm tempted to call this ironic, but we'd end up starting a one-page debate about the definition of irony.

[Alg]

I came into this thread anticipating at least a little America-bashing. I didn't expect someone to break out the Nazi comparisons within the first ten posts :wall:

 

Ah well, four days until it's time to break out the red, white, and blue stuff.

[Giordano]

Our school serves american food all day (burgers, chips and another array of other junk food)

 

I dislike the fact that they are celebrating betrayal and murder, I bet if the state of Texas decided that they wanted 'independance' and waged war on the rest of America killing thousands of innocents it wouldn't be celebrated but thats what happened. If the Nazi's had won the war, the day when they won would probably be a national event.

The Americans at the time were English, killing English people - it was a civil war not a war on an evil empire.

It doesn't matter, we won our independence, that's the point of this holiday. Also, no matter how we celebrate a war it will have murder (lol @ betrayal).

[archimage_a]

Rofl, the video in the first post is blocked in my country due to copyright? XD

Should work

http://users.aber.ac.uk/lug9/hege/glory%20of%20the%20red%20white%20and%20blue.mp3

 

The video is just two American flags, one with 13 stars and one with the union jack.

[das1330]

Our school serves american food all day (burgers, chips and another array of other junk food)

 

I dislike the fact that they are celebrating betrayal and murder, I bet if the state of Texas decided that they wanted 'independance' and waged war on the rest of America killing thousands of innocents it wouldn't be celebrated but thats what happened. If the Nazi's had won the war, the day when they won would probably be a national event.

The Americans at the time were English, killing English people - it was a civil war not a war on an evil empire.

 

 

The American Revolutionary War began due to the British infringement of the civil rights of (at the time) colonists. As per the Deceleration of Independence and Bill of Rights, such abuses were numerous. As such, it was a war fought primarily for freedom and deserves to be commemorated.

[archimage_a]

The war was fought against taxation, not against injusticies of civil rights, that was the civil war...

 

Also, the Bill of Rights was published after such 'crimes' were commited, and thus any breach cannot be legally taken as breaches of the law.

The Declaration of Independence was a treasonous document(as per the laws prevailing at the time), so that could not be legally taken as breaches of the law either.

 

Furthermore, under British law taxation without represenation was perfectly legal, and continues to occur to this day, albeit only for those below the age of 18, while the age that you can start paying tax is around 13.

 

I am not sure about the American laws of taxation, but I am reasonably sure that women worked before they were given the right to vote in the 20th century.

 

I am not trying to detract from the good that has been done since the war of Independence, but I think that the forth of July should only be celebrated for what it is...

One group of British people killing another group of British people.

Vae Victis

[Harakiri]

Our school serves american food all day (burgers, chips and another array of other junk food)

 

I dislike the fact that they are celebrating betrayal and murder, I bet if the state of Texas decided that they wanted 'independance' and waged war on the rest of America killing thousands of innocents it wouldn't be celebrated but thats what happened. If the Nazi's had won the war, the day when they won would probably be a national event.

The Americans at the time were English, killing English people - it was a civil war not a war on an evil empire.

 

Welcome to Tip It and allow me to escort you out for actually knowing any sort of history.

 

American's may have been English in blood, but in heart they were American. They were sick of being taxed, sick of autocratic rule, sick of British soldiers keeping an eye on the disgruntled colonies. And also, please refrain from saying it was English killing English when we actually had a population of Muslims and people of races from across the world coming to America due to the fact it was a new place that was still being built, there was hope for it. Because of the French Indian war there was so much debt in Britain that they needed to levy taxes that were insane. These colonists wished independence and wanted to govern themselves. The king wouldn't allow it so of course the colonies start fighting the British. They didn't care if they were their kinsman, they were so fixated on becoming their own nation and being able to build a place where everyone could follow what religion they pleased and speak what they wished. Because of that strong devotion to this cause, the colonists fought on despite the fact they were facing the greatest Navy in the world at the time, and probably one of the best armies in the world.

 

They had the help of the French of course, which everyone knows. We kind of unknowingly turned the cogs in the event known as the French Revolution because of France throwing out so much money for arms and munitions for us, as well as sacrificing men to our cause.

 

What the hell is Bastille day in France? It's the day dozens of innocents were murdered on during the storming of a royal prison, including innocent prison guards, all so that the people rebelling could try and get to the munitions hiding underneath. Many, many countries have holidays based around war and the killing of innocents. And if Texas separated from the union, they would more than likely have some sort of Texas Independence Day. Hey look how many countries have independence days: China, Kenya, Australia. While they are not specifically called Independence Days (Australia Day is Australia's equivalent of our Independence Day) they are still there.

 

You are an idiot. If the Nazi's won the Nazi's would more than likely create their own day based on themselves. Why? BECAUSE IT WAS A MAJOR TURNING POINT IN THEIR HISTORY.

 

If you want to hate on America, do it elsewhere considering you are apparently as uneducated to the topic as a two year old. It was a revolution. America had had white settlers on it for around 150 years before the revolution. We had become our own entity that no one except Britain and France gave a damn about, Britain because we were still "British citizens" and the American colonies were supposed to be theirs, and France because they were in Canada settling and a couple ended up in Florida. Hell, even the Spanish knew a little about us.

 

We were a melting pot of different cultures back then as we are now. While we did have British blood in us, we had established a nation, had ancestors who had died in the nation, and considered ourselves a separate entity from the British. We defeated the best army in the world, and we didn't even have an established military besides the minutemen and a militiamen. We took up arms, told the British to cut off ties to us, and we won what we wanted, a country that instantly noticed no difference between when Britain ruled us. We had terrible political rivalries, owed a lot of money, needed a steadier income. Thus we started panning out across the continent to find more ways to make money and so that we could settle in even more places and expand. We became major expansionists after the war. Eventually we battled the British again in the War of 1812.

 

What is so fantastic about the story for American independence is it shows that the underdogs can achieve anything if they have the heart and the will.

 

If you want to complain that we are martyrs and killed our own kin, you might want to shut and and look at the fact we also fought a civil war, which was even worse than the Revolution in which we killed our own kin, not ancestors or people who had no connections to the people living in America.

 

Thus, Happy Fourth of July! Anybody not happy with our holiday are thankfully in another country and don't have to deal with loud, obnoxious fireworks and our national anthem playing every two seconds everywhere you go.

 

 

 

It's odd how nobody complains that we killed our kinsman anytime other than Fourth of July. And to tell the truth, it's only when we got the signatures for the Declaration of Independence and ultimately it really has nothing to do with fighting, it's just our day where we got the signatures for the piece of paper we would send to King George to show we meant it when we wanted independence. If it were solely based around the Revolution, I think it would be called Revolution day and be celebrated the day Cornwallis surrendered to us.

 

Plus, does it really make any difference that 230 or so years ago this event happened? We are friends with the British nowadays, and I really see no point to us complaining over spilled milk. Allow us one day a year to be overly patriotic.

 

In the words of Rodney King, "Why can't we all just get along?"

Edited July 1, 2010 by Danqazmlp
Merged double post

[Danqazmlp]

Happy birthday of your country.

 

I have to admit though at this time of year it really bugs me that Americans think they beat the British, when in fact without the French (who it seems many dislike) the war would have been very one-sided.

 

But the good that has been done since in the way of inventions is very good so it wasn't all bad. It does make me think, if the French didn't get involved and America remained a colony, how much the world would be different. Would the world wars have ended earlier? Would the US basically be the same as Canada is now? Would the world be more advanced or less advanced?

[Harakiri]

Happy birthday of your country.

 

I have to admit though at this time of year it really bugs me that Americans think they beat the British, when in fact without the French (who it seems many dislike) the war would have been very one-sided.

 

But the good that has been done since in the way of inventions is very good so it wasn't all bad. It does make me think, if the French didn't get involved and America remained a colony, how much the world would be different. Would the world wars have ended earlier? Would the US basically be the same as Canada is now? Would the world be more advanced or less advanced?

 

The French were probably the major deciding factor in our winning the war. That and our knowledge of the land and very (I'm sorry for this comparison) Viet-Kong tactics of guerrilla warfare. Britain was used to line warfare (I don't know the technical term) so this was a very new concept to them. I guess line warfare was the gentlemanly way to fight, but guerrilla tactics were tactics of the ungentlemanly?

As I've said, I consider this more the day celebrating our country threw the final piece onto the board for the battle for independence. Not the day we actually got it, but the day we decided to go for it completely.

[DragnFly]

A few days early, but happy 4th of July to all of my fellow US citizens. Also, happy Canada Day to all of our neighbors of the great white north.

 

As for the arguing, I cannot say I am surprised sadly. The US and England has a complex history, but the important part to remember is that we are suppose to be ally nations these days, and it would do many people a lot of good to remember that.

[Iconic]

[hide]

Welcome to Tip It and allow me to escort you out for actually knowing any sort of history.

 

American's may have been English in blood, but in heart they were American. They were sick of being taxed, sick of autocratic rule, sick of British soldiers keeping an eye on the disgruntled colonies. And also, please refrain from saying it was English killing English when we actually had a population of Muslims and people of races from across the world coming to America due to the fact it was a new place that was still being built, there was hope for it. Because of the French Indian war there was so much debt in Britain that they needed to levy taxes that were insane. These colonists wished independence and wanted to govern themselves. The king wouldn't allow it so of course the colonies start fighting the British. They didn't care if they were their kinsman, they were so fixated on becoming their own nation and being able to build a place where everyone could follow what religion they pleased and speak what they wished. Because of that strong devotion to this cause, the colonists fought on despite the fact they were facing the greatest Navy in the world at the time, and probably one of the best armies in the world.

 

They had the help of the French of course, which everyone knows. We kind of unknowingly turned the cogs in the event known as the French Revolution because of France throwing out so much money for arms and munitions for us, as well as sacrificing men to our cause.

 

What the hell is Bastille day in France? It's the day dozens of innocents were murdered on during the storming of a royal prison, including innocent prison guards, all so that the people rebelling could try and get to the munitions hiding underneath. Many, many countries have holidays based around war and the killing of innocents. And if Texas separated from the union, they would more than likely have some sort of Texas Independence Day. Hey look how many countries have independence days: China, Kenya, Australia. While they are not specifically called Independence Days (Australia Day is Australia's equivalent of our Independence Day) they are still there.

 

You are an idiot. If the Nazi's won the Nazi's would more than likely create their own day based on themselves. Why? BECAUSE IT WAS A MAJOR TURNING POINT IN THEIR HISTORY.

 

If you want to hate on America, do it elsewhere considering you are apparently as uneducated to the topic as a two year old. It was a revolution. America had had white settlers on it for around 150 years before the revolution. We had become our own entity that no one except Britain and France gave a damn about, Britain because we were still "British citizens" and the American colonies were supposed to be theirs, and France because they were in Canada settling and a couple ended up in Florida. Hell, even the Spanish knew a little about us.

 

We were a melting pot of different cultures back then as we are now. While we did have British blood in us, we had established a nation, had ancestors who had died in the nation, and considered ourselves a separate entity from the British. We defeated the best army in the world, and we didn't even have an established military besides the minutemen and a militiamen. We took up arms, told the British to cut off ties to us, and we won what we wanted, a country that instantly noticed no difference between when Britain ruled us. We had terrible political rivalries, owed a lot of money, needed a steadier income. Thus we started panning out across the continent to find more ways to make money and so that we could settle in even more places and expand. We became major expansionists after the war. Eventually we battled the British again in the War of 1812.

 

What is so fantastic about the story for American independence is it shows that the underdogs can achieve anything if they have the heart and the will.

 

If you want to complain that we are martyrs and killed our own kin, you might want to shut and and look at the fact we also fought a civil war, which was even worse than the Revolution in which we killed our own kin, not ancestors or people who had no connections to the people living in America.

 

Thus, Happy Fourth of July! Anybody not happy with our holiday are thankfully in another country and don't have to deal with loud, obnoxious fireworks and our national anthem playing every two seconds everywhere you go.

 

Sorry for the double post but might as well bring this up:

 

It's odd how nobody complains that we killed our kinsman anytime other than Fourth of July. And to tell the truth, it's only when we got the signatures for the Declaration of Independence and ultimately it really has nothing to do with fighting, it's just our day where we got the signatures for the piece of paper we would send to King George to show we meant it when we wanted independence. If it were solely based around the Revolution, I think it would be called Revolution day and be celebrated the day Cornwallis surrendered to us.

 

Plus, does it really make any difference that 230 or so years ago this event happened? We are friends with the British nowadays, and I really see no point to us complaining over spilled milk. Allow us one day a year to be overly patriotic.

 

In the words of Rodney King, "Why can't we all just get along?"

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What you've said is completly wrong, the Brtish colonists entered America and started creating colonys, they were not American they were British an extremly small amount were muslim and a larger amount black. Most blacks and muslims sided with Britain anyway. You are stating that America deserved to be its own nation, thats like half of Russia just deciding that they wanted to live on their own its ridiculous for the king to first of all not help the motherland (by charging high taxes) or for these Americans to just go flaunting about rebelling. What would happen if Americans rebelled today.

 

Your post is completly favouring the Americans just read it "the colonists fought on despite the fact they were facing the greatest Navy in the world at the time, and probably one of the best armies in the world. " so therfore because they were so determined they were in the right, because they basically wanted to do make their own laws.

By your law it is ok for me to bomb an airport if its for a 'just cause' and I think thats practically disgusting, the Americans acted just like terrorists that they have now grown the hate so much.

 

Also by your logic if other people do something that makes it ok, thats just [bleep]ing great isn't it you know what that guy in Cumbria did two weeks ago.

 

An alliances between governments doesn't mean much to me, the Americans murdered people to get their own way - pure and simple.

 

Also:

In the words of Rodney King, "Why can't we all just get along?"

 

Because of people like you. Seriously, do you get a kick out of insulting people on the internet.

People have different opinions and if everyone got along and respectfully disagreed with each other all would be well but instead we get stuff like this:

 

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2. Welcome to Tip It and allow me to escort you out for actually knowing any sort of history.
   
3. You are an idiot.
   
4. you are apparently as uneducated to the topic as a two year old.
   

 

[Harakiri]

The Americans were not the first to pull the trigger though. The British had already fired into a crowd of innocents in Boston, which was one of the major reasons for us to get up in arms. We were not murdering as terrorists, we were retaliating not only against a corrupt King who treated us like crap because we left his country, but for the fact that some of OUR kinsmen had been murdered by British soldiers. Kind of like how German U-boats destroyed the Lusitania and killed many British and American's and we retaliated by declaring war, the Boston Massacre was the final straw. Thus, we had reasons beyond taxes to kill our "kinsmen".

 

I seriously find it idiotic we are going to continue debating events of two hundred thirty years ago.

[ThurinEthir]

It's odd how nobody complains that we killed our kinsman anytime other than Fourth of July. And to tell the truth, it's only when we got the signatures for the Declaration of Independence and ultimately it really has nothing to do with fighting, it's just our day where we got the signatures for the piece of paper we would send to King George to show we meant it when we wanted independence. If it were solely based around the Revolution, I think it would be called Revolution day and be celebrated the day Cornwallis surrendered to us.

That's very true. The war had already been going on for over a year, if you count Lexington and Concord as the beginning. So up here in Massachusetts, we have a little holiday we call Patriots' Day, which no one actually celebrates because that's what it commemorates - the fighting at Lexington and Concord and I suppose the fighting of the war overall.

On the other hand, July 4th is really only celebrating freedom and independence (hence Independence Day). Nothing wrong with that, even though some Americans do get a little over-patriotic.

I'm not American in the slightest so I don't really care, but I'll be out of the country anyway. Happy July 4th to those who will be around - hope you enjoy your fireworks and hot dogs and hamburgers!

[Danqazmlp]

The Americans were not the first to pull the trigger though. The British had already fired into a crowd of innocents in Boston, which was one of the major reasons for us to get up in arms. We were not murdering as terrorists, we were retaliating not only against a corrupt King who treated us like crap because we left his country, but for the fact that some of OUR kinsmen had been murdered by British soldiers. Kind of like how German U-boats destroyed the Lusitania and killed many British and American's and we retaliated by declaring war, the Boston Massacre was the final straw. Thus, we had reasons beyond taxes to kill our "kinsmen".

 

I seriously find it idiotic we are going to continue debating events of two hundred thirty years ago.

 

Well I wouldn't disagree that the Boston shootings were a major sparking point, I wouldn't call it totally unreasonable as I think (if I can remember my lecture from last year) the soldiers had been pelted with rocks and hit with clubs so it could be classed as self-defence. But I think the finite discussions on that are something for another day :smile:

 

But still, I agree, and I think that as with previous topics regarding certain countries/areas, posts in an inflammatory manner towards the U.S will be removed.

[DragnFly]

Removed

[Briann]

I dislike the fact that they are celebrating betrayal and murder, I bet if the state of Texas decided that they wanted 'independance' and waged war on the rest of America killing thousands of innocents it wouldn't be celebrated but thats what happened. If the Nazi's had won the war, the day when they won would probably be a national event.

The Americans at the time were English, killing English people - it was a civil war not a war on an evil empire.

July the 4th isn't celebrating betrayal or murder, it's the day when the Americans finally had their own right to remain independent and to become what it is today. As I recall, -- not trying to blame them -- it was the British who were basically 'killing' the innocent people by forcing us to wipe out our money by buying tea and taxing Americans without voice. After July 4th, that was no longer a problem, that is why Americans celebrate this day. We do not celebrate it because we killed Englishman..

 

 

EDIT: And another note, way to troll this thread. :thumbdown:

[Briann]

Rofl, the video in the first post is blocked in my country due to copyright? XD

I assume you live in China?

 

Also, I dislike the fact the Christopher Columbus is stated as discovering America when about ten other people had before (including the native americans)

Oh yeh, thats what happened isn't it, the Americans walk in and say that America is now theirs and like the Nazi's make one race live in ghetto's (or as they were called then, reserves).

Once again as I said in my other post. Nice way to troll an important day for Americans. What are you like 7?

And also just to make this clear, since obviously in every post you say about Americans, you compare us to Nazi's, if it wasn't for the alliance of Churchill and Roosevelt, and without America's help you would be fascist. So quit flaming Americans when WE have actually helped YOU with what could have changed Britain to a fascist country. K THX BAI.

 

And another note, cool story.

 

Sorry, but I'm going to have to spray you with

 

Now quit trolling our threads.

[Zierro]

I dislike the fact that they are celebrating betrayal and murder, I bet if the state of Texas decided that they wanted 'independance' and waged war on the rest of America killing thousands of innocents it wouldn't be celebrated but thats what happened. If the Nazi's had won the war, the day when they won would probably be a national event.

The Americans at the time were English, killing English people - it was a civil war not a war on an evil empire.

 

Betrayal? Nice twist on words there.

[Dizzle229]

I agree, let's keep this civil. Happy early 4th guys!

 

The one thing that's becomes a problem around my town though is that people, besides the fireworks and stuff, seem to take it as "National Badmouth the Brits Day." We're allies now, get over it.