Power Slaying?

[fasuto]

Hi im training some slayer and i want to lnow if its profitable to train via power slaying with piety and if also you could make some profit and pay the the prayer pots my slayer lvl is 83

[MstrMonopoly]

It is profitable over the long run, but may be costly over a short period of unprofitable tasks. Keep in mind that piety only costs like 150k in ppots a task at most and one Abyssal Whip can pay for more than 20 piety-d tasks.

[eyeye]

farm runs while slaying = no loss, most likely profit

[Obtaurian]

Like an above poster said, power slaying is profitable in the long run (and gets more profitable with each new slayer monster after 83). Farm runs are essential because a streak of dry, unprofitable tasks could cripple you. With multiple farm runs a day, you can comfortably cannon and piety nearly every task without a problem.

 

When pietying, use one of these three setups, from worst to best:

 

Proselyte body

Fire cape

Verac's skirt

 

Fighter torso

Soul wars cape

Verac's skirt

 

Bandos plate

Soul wars cape

Verac's skirt

 

Alternatively you can use a fire cape with the Bandos setup for an increase in strength bonus and slightly faster prayer consumption. Obviously you should only use the torso setup if you can get one quickly or you already have one for whatever reason. When using piety or turmoil on task, it's important that you maximize your speed so as to not waste time, money, and experience. Piety will not help you if you wait to see each drop before moving on to the next monster, for example.

 

I found slayer to be much more fun when I started using piety (and eventually turmoil).

[geesch]

I personally powerslay all my tasks. The time you save on killing can be better used to make money in whichever way you can do it best. I usually use a prossy top, v skirt, and soul wars cape for pietying. using a bcp defeats the purpose, and isnt necessary for most tasks. The extra def bandos gives is overkill. With the def boost, and a bunyip and/or EE, you will have more than enough hp (sorry, i mean lifepoints -.-).

[Obtaurian]

I personally powerslay all my tasks. The time you save on killing can be better used to make money in whichever way you can do it best. I usually use a prossy top, v skirt, and soul wars cape for pietying. using a bcp defeats the purpose, and isnt necessary for most tasks. The extra def bandos gives is overkill. With the def boost, and a bunyip and/or EE, you will have more than enough hp (sorry, i mean lifepoints -.-).

 

Its important to note that prayer bonus does not work linearly. Having +30 prayer is exactly the same as having +20 prayer. You only need about +15 at the very least. BCP provides extra strength and prayer, hence why it's useful (though not worth the price tag if it would cripple your bank).

 

When power slaying, you should always use a DDS or dragon claws for specs, and only use healing familiars in single combat zones.

[geesch]

I personally powerslay all my tasks. The time you save on killing can be better used to make money in whichever way you can do it best. I usually use a prossy top, v skirt, and soul wars cape for pietying. using a bcp defeats the purpose, and isnt necessary for most tasks. The extra def bandos gives is overkill. With the def boost, and a bunyip and/or EE, you will have more than enough hp (sorry, i mean lifepoints -.-).

 

Its important to note that prayer bonus does not work linearly. Having +30 prayer is exactly the same as having +20 prayer. You only need about +15 at the very least. BCP provides extra strength and prayer, hence why it's useful (though not worth the price tag if it would cripple your bank).

 

When power slaying, you should always use a DDS or dragon claws for specs, and only use healing familiars in single combat zones.

Are you certain about that? This is the first time in 5 years of RS ive heard that. I definitely notice a difference when using a +30 prayer bonus as opposed to +15. Until I can find info suggesting otherwise, I will stick with my statement. I agree with having offensive spec weapons, but if you are powerslaying and do not have summoning, you will need some sort of hp restorer. food is too old fashioned, but can be used.

[Obtaurian]

I personally powerslay all my tasks. The time you save on killing can be better used to make money in whichever way you can do it best. I usually use a prossy top, v skirt, and soul wars cape for pietying. using a bcp defeats the purpose, and isnt necessary for most tasks. The extra def bandos gives is overkill. With the def boost, and a bunyip and/or EE, you will have more than enough hp (sorry, i mean lifepoints -.-).

 

Its important to note that prayer bonus does not work linearly. Having +30 prayer is exactly the same as having +20 prayer. You only need about +15 at the very least. BCP provides extra strength and prayer, hence why it's useful (though not worth the price tag if it would cripple your bank).

 

When power slaying, you should always use a DDS or dragon claws for specs, and only use healing familiars in single combat zones.

Are you certain about that? This is the first time in 5 years of RS ive heard that. I definitely notice a difference when using a +30 prayer bonus as opposed to +15. Until I can find info suggesting otherwise, I will stick with my statement. I agree with having offensive spec weapons, but if you are powerslaying and do not have summoning, you will need some sort of hp restorer. food is too old fashioned, but can be used.

 

If you're power slaying you use a combat familiar and an offensive spec weapon.

 

Notice that I said +15 is the MINIMUM to use piety or turmoil. You'll notice a slight difference between +15 and +30, but no difference between +20 and +30 (I personally hover around +18).

[Quyneax]

The wiki states that each point of prayer bonus adds 3.33% to the time your prayers last. That means that increasing your +15 prayer bonus to +30 won't increase the duration by 50% (as the first +15 prayer does) but by 1/3 (50% of 100 added to 150% base).

 

As for the torso setup, it's crap. Use any barrows body or borrow bcp.

[Bladewing]

Torso is better than a barrows body, but BCP is obviously better than torso.

[xpx]

Realistically, it's all about speed, and speed is about clicking and equipment. I'd actually say that while using the best equipment possible and every bonus you can get(CR, overloads, bandos, fire cape etc) you still make a profit as you'll be killing most things much faster than without the bonuses. The real questions about powerslaying is how much you should use your cannon and which drops you'd bank, so there are a load of differences in even how the most efficient powerslayers go about their business. Also- don't just block tasks according to the xp, it's actually much more efficient to take your slaying weirdness's into consideration when making these decisions.

[MstrMonopoly]

Defence doesn't really matter with powerslaying, and any def bonus you would lose with a torso is overcome by the massive +25% to defence of Piety.

[Quyneax]

Hmmm... maybe. Is that true in multicombat as well? I tend to get hit by warped terrorbirds quite a bit (when using piety + defence potted to 99 (repot at 91). One is ok, but It uses a lot more food when being attacked by multiple birds. That's using a prossy top, which loses 22 slash defence (do birds slash?) compared to torso.

[Obtaurian]

Hmmm... maybe. Is that true in multicombat as well? I tend to get hit by warped terrorbirds quite a bit (when using piety + defence potted to 99 (repot at 91). One is ok, but It uses a lot more food when being attacked by multiple birds. That's using a prossy top, which loses 22 slash defence (do birds slash?) compared to torso.

 

Warped terrorbirds are a different matter. When I used to get them, I'd use a barrows platebody and still use piety because I felt that I needed the defense. With soul split, however, I'd just use a more prayer-friendly setup.

[Zaaps1]

With tbs, I just pray Range + Turmoil/Piety. If you have a titan+, you're fine if you throw in an EE/SGS.

[Kidd_Varrow]

The wiki states that each point of prayer bonus adds 3.33% to the time your prayers last. That means that increasing your +15 prayer bonus to +30 won't increase the duration by 50% (as the first +15 prayer does) but by 1/3 (50% of 100 added to 150% base).

 

As for the torso setup, it's crap. Use any barrows body or borrow bcp.

 

That means prayer bonus works linearly. According to this figure, a prayer bonus of +15 will make your prayers last 50% longer, and a prayer bonus of +30 will make your prayers last twice as long.

 

Hmmm... maybe. Is that true in multicombat as well? I tend to get hit by warped terrorbirds quite a bit (when using piety + defence potted to 99 (repot at 91). One is ok, but It uses a lot more food when being attacked by multiple birds. That's using a prossy top, which loses 22 slash defence (do birds slash?) compared to torso.

 

If you're getting hit by multiple birds, you're doing it wrong. Check out the AOW guide about misunderstood monsters to see how to get only one on you at a time. Also, once they've stopped using their ranged attack, you can take off range prayer and they still won't attack you. You'll only have to turn it on for a few seconds at a time when one spawns.

[Zaaps1]

If you cannon (powerslay), you must use the pillars in the room to block them, such that only one can attack you at a time if you pray range.

[pulli23]

I personally powerslay all my tasks. The time you save on killing can be better used to make money in whichever way you can do it best. I usually use a prossy top, v skirt, and soul wars cape for pietying. using a bcp defeats the purpose, and isnt necessary for most tasks. The extra def bandos gives is overkill. With the def boost, and a bunyip and/or EE, you will have more than enough hp (sorry, i mean lifepoints -.-).

 

Its important to note that prayer bonus does not work linearly. Having +30 prayer is exactly the same as having +20 prayer. You only need about +15 at the very least. BCP provides extra strength and prayer, hence why it's useful (though not worth the price tag if it would cripple your bank).

 

When power slaying, you should always use a DDS or dragon claws for specs, and only use healing familiars in single combat zones.

Are you certain about that? This is the first time in 5 years of RS ive heard that. I definitely notice a difference when using a +30 prayer bonus as opposed to +15. Until I can find info suggesting otherwise, I will stick with my statement. I agree with having offensive spec weapons, but if you are powerslaying and do not have summoning, you will need some sort of hp restorer. food is too old fashioned, but can be used.

 

If you're power slaying you use a combat familiar and an offensive spec weapon.

 

Notice that I said +15 is the MINIMUM to use piety or turmoil. You'll notice a slight difference between +15 and +30, but no difference between +20 and +30 (I personally hover around +18).

You will lol.. with 20 bonus you'll use 0.4 prayer point a second. (resulting in -at lv 70- 60 prayer doses an hour)

with 30 bonus you'll use 0.333 points a second (resulting in 45 doses an hour)

 

 

And that is using the formula I just tested for.. (which unsurprisingly was exactly the same as runewikia's)

[Obtaurian]

I personally powerslay all my tasks. The time you save on killing can be better used to make money in whichever way you can do it best. I usually use a prossy top, v skirt, and soul wars cape for pietying. using a bcp defeats the purpose, and isnt necessary for most tasks. The extra def bandos gives is overkill. With the def boost, and a bunyip and/or EE, you will have more than enough hp (sorry, i mean lifepoints -.-).

 

Its important to note that prayer bonus does not work linearly. Having +30 prayer is exactly the same as having +20 prayer. You only need about +15 at the very least. BCP provides extra strength and prayer, hence why it's useful (though not worth the price tag if it would cripple your bank).

 

When power slaying, you should always use a DDS or dragon claws for specs, and only use healing familiars in single combat zones.

Are you certain about that? This is the first time in 5 years of RS ive heard that. I definitely notice a difference when using a +30 prayer bonus as opposed to +15. Until I can find info suggesting otherwise, I will stick with my statement. I agree with having offensive spec weapons, but if you are powerslaying and do not have summoning, you will need some sort of hp restorer. food is too old fashioned, but can be used.

 

If you're power slaying you use a combat familiar and an offensive spec weapon.

 

Notice that I said +15 is the MINIMUM to use piety or turmoil. You'll notice a slight difference between +15 and +30, but no difference between +20 and +30 (I personally hover around +18).

You will lol.. with 20 bonus you'll use 0.4 prayer point a second. (resulting in -at lv 70- 60 prayer doses an hour)

with 30 bonus you'll use 0.333 points a second (resulting in 45 doses an hour)

 

 

And that is using the formula I just tested for.. (which unsurprisingly was exactly the same as runewikia's)

 

It's pretty interesting that you've just now tested this in game and came up with different results than I and other people have had.

[Bladewing]

Turmoil:

 

0 prayer bonus: 30 ppoints per minute

15 prayer bonus: 19.7 ppoints per minute

30 prayer bonus: 14.6 ppoints per minute

 

The first 15 prayer bonus saves you 10.3 ppoints per minute, while the second 15 prayer bonus saves you only 5.1 prayer points per minute.

 

Prayer bonus has diminishing marginal returns - the more points you have, the less each additional point will help you. Morningrise is right.

[pulli23]

It's pretty interesting that you've just now tested this in game and came up with different results than I and other people have had.

 

Uhm Download prayer calculator.xlsx <- there you can find all data (calculation as well as raw prayer data). The raw data I all tested with the "piety" prayer on (and averaged over 5 tests for each point). I know a slow draining prayer would be more accurate but as you can see the line is pretty good - and slower would've ment I had to account for logging out while waiting for it to drain.

 

looking at rune wikia: here shows this formula:

modified drain rate = Prayer drain rate × (1 + (3⅓% × Prayer bonus))

Which is "exactly" the same as the formula I calculated (god awful way to write percentages in formulae). (prayer drain rate = 1/base, modified drain rate = 1 / prayer points a second).

 

What I'm thinking is that people simply told each other something many times, and then believe it. What is true is that the difference between 20 & 30 saves just as much as the difference between 2 & 3. So at higher levels it indeed might be worthwhile to put your outfit for more offense instead of prayer.

[Quyneax]

If you're getting hit by multiple birds, you're doing it wrong. Check out the AOW guide about misunderstood monsters to see how to get only one on you at a time. Also, once they've stopped using their ranged attack, you can take off range prayer and they still won't attack you. You'll only have to turn it on for a few seconds at a time when one spawns.

 

I know that, and I read that guide. It's just that I noticed that when I do get hit by multiple birds, some more defence would be nice.

 

And thanks everyone for telling me birds are a special case. Guess they're unusually accurate?