Napoleonic Hegemony

[Wisp]

This being said, I will not promise peace to anyone (other than my allies, naturally), especially one who has threatened me unprovoked. Doesn't mean I'm going to attack you, but making any promises in this game that could be broken will only make my countrymen mad, as will being threatened by another country and bowing to their will.

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Prussia spends 150,000 ducuts printing parodies of the French Revolutionary leaflets, and distributing them into Revolutionary France using friendly contacts to mix them with actual revolutionary leaflets.

We will try to make the leaflets local specific...So it addresses issues that are actually of importance to these people and make sure that the leaflets get right up their nose(in terms of annoy them, not literally)

 

 

We will be drawing mainly on four facts(That I know about...since there is stacks I don't know I leave that to the printers and the local contacts to fill in):

The Russian QUEEN supports abolishing the Monarchy...

The Austrian KING defeated the French Royal Army...

The Prussians are unwilling to fight if there is a peaceful solution...

Women need to give up their innocence.

 

Implying that:

Only the Divine Power of the Monarchy can defeat the Monarchy

France is unable to fight a war while they are divided.

Words are weak!

Women must submit to man's will to grow the population.

 

 

Stuff along the lines of:

'The Queen of Russia, her honourable majesty, has given us her support! With her divine power we shall fight Louis' Divine power! Just as King Josef defeated our Glorious Royal Army!

'So it is now my friends! Now is the time to strike! We have all seen that France is weak now! If we destroy the remnance of the Royal Army then literary ANYONE could waltz into Versailles and seize power!

'And for those who believe the Prussians, believe that we must talk! In the future there will be no 'talking'! If you want something your neighbour has, then you kill him! You don't ask for trade! We must KILL EVERYONE!

'How will we kill all these people? We shall breed our armies! For women have the greatest duty of all, they must submit to man every ten months! From cradle to grave it is womankind's duty to bear the armies of tommrow!'

 

 

Addition: 500 Line troops are sent marching through the revolutionary zone of France, carrying with them leaflets (these are actively supporting peace and goodwill and such and are not designed to be French Revolutionary) which they distribute where possible. They are instructed not to be heroes and try to take on the revolutionary masses, however they are to be honourable in conduct.

 

 

 

 

Elsewhere Prussia's Russian Nobles offer a 1 million ducat rebate on taxes, in exchange for an increased bread quota for the year(assuming feudalism). Else they buy 1 million ducats worth of bread(Probably far too much, so reduce as neccessary). (Grain is used if the bread will be stale/moldy by the time it arrives) Excess grain is brought from America as well (Dusty, you will need you to work how much I owe Dungeonal) and is either used to suppliment the reduced bread levels in Prussia or added to the bread caravan to France...Or arrives seperately since there is the chance someone will try to intercept my ships...To counteract this the ships are sent in groups, rather than all at once...If they are intercepted then I will probably go via Austria and through Switzerland, paying tolls as neccessary)

James Watt(Logistics Wizard) is put in command of this operation.

The bread/grain is then loaded onto ships(Combination of French, Prussian and Commercial ships hired from neutral countries, probably mainly from the Netherlands, Sweden and Britian) and transported to northern France, accompanied by a couple of benevolant Russian Nobles(If none can be found then Prussian Nobles...if still none can be found then I use magic Bourgeoisie...if they don't exist yet then I get some guildsmen and pay them a good wage). When they arrive they will use the Dutch Windmills to power mill stones, which will be gifted to France, along with the Bread/Grain.

If the French don't want the windmills/millstones and such...Then I just send flour/bread.

 

 

Also I offer an open invitation to Imperial French Officers to spend time at the Academy of Prussia, they are obviously not taught all of our secrets but they are helped along the path to reasonable fighting skill...since currently they seem to be just a step above rabble.

 

Prussia buys 1,000 Grenadiers(1.5 million) and begins extensive Quicklime Grenade Training. Probably won't make any difference, but since I can't use any of the brillant plans I have come up with in the last six seconds, so I might as well use what I am allowed to use...

 

Further I deploy Prussian Red Cross Medics to France to try to help out with the recovering Imperial Army.

If there is time/once completed the Red Cross redeploy to French Villages and use all the medical skill they possess to help the villages with whatever aliement it is possible to help with.

 

Additionally, Prussian jails, being strangely empty, are offered to France to send their Bastile Prisoners, since Prussia is not at war with Austria(France possibly still is, so better not to have them broken into and freed by the Austrians), and our commitment should show we are unlikely to release these political miscreants.

Further 4,000 Line Infantry are permenantly deployed(400,000(Possibly more)) to protect Paris, particularly the Bastile, since that is where the gunpowder is stored (Commonsense to stay near the gunpowder...though no more than 1,500 are kept within the blast range at any one time to prevent helpful accidents and such)

The Bastile is also outfitted with Quicklime Grenades in the corridors.

Since corridors are unlikely to suffer from wind...although draughts are possible...they should be safer to use

 

Prussian Cannon Works are put at the disposal of Imperial France(Not sharing tech, but they can get cannons cheaply for however long this deal lasts)

 

Furthermore General Molotov(Defensive Doctrine) heads to Imperial France to help train the militas and soliders in Defensive Fighting. General Mannerheim(Displine) is dispatched to help organise the militas in effective fighting forces as well. Mannerheim also makes some time to help the French troops rebuild their shattered morale...

 

 

Translators are sent, if they are required, since French is the dominate language of Diplomacy it should be fine for my Generals, but the medics, army group and guildsmen probably will need them.

 

 

In return for all of this Charity we expect a fair supply of wine, cheese, garlic and other such stuff, which will hopefully goes someway to pacifying the Prussian peoples for all of this helping other people stuff. Because taking it off them for no cost generates resentment and such, they are paid at cost or just above.

Also the three deck ship technology...Since France should be significantly indebted to me by this point, if not then I will quibble over a price.

Additionally, brain drain from France to Prussia.

[Wisp]

Considering much of that is fairly opposite of what we've been spreading, it shouldn't have much effect. Especially the bit about women, given that women are now equal to men under the law, and given the same rights.

Considering the speeches, which is most of what we are doing, pamphlets back them up, are given by well known revolutionaries, and they've been speaking about prussias offer, and have been for months before you came in, having 500 hated prussians march through our lands will result in their death by mobs. Almost guaranteed, not even of my doing.

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Yeah we all have 20/20 hindsight.

 

It is all immaterial anyway, ultimately Dusty decides what happens.

[jasignhagj]

Archi, I sense you are bored out of your mind right now.

 

Spain keeps being Spain.

[Wisp]

I've mentioned the speeches and pamphlets talking about the Prussian's "deal" since you first offered it, I think. Unless it was only in a PM to dusty I mentioned it. I forget. Either way, most of revolutionary France hates Prussia, is ambivalent to Austria, and doesn't care much about anyone else. Ambivalent toward Austria because they attacked france, but they attacked the imperials and weakened them.

It's up to dusty, but I'd assume that most of the revolutionaries just want to deal with France, and be left alone by foreigners.

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Archi, I sense you are bored out of your mind right now.

Hardly, I find it greatly stimulates the mind to do these things, trying to look at stuff from all angles, trying to cover all bases. That said about to go to bed.

 

Either way, most of revolutionary France hates Prussia, is ambivalent to Austria,

Like we both say, Dusty decides...but to me, Austria invaded France(the country)....Prussia has done nothing...bar argue (And most of that has been about talking to resolve differences and not killing innocents) and getting attacked by revolutionaries....(Which you say are not part of your revolution) so hate is perhaps overzealous....

[Wisp]

Wait, what revolutionaries? I never had an army before yesterday or so. EDIT: Oh, do you mean the ones who would likely attack your troops? I mean it this way. They are my people, but they aren't part of an army so I can't order them around just like that. But if you walked two Russia Commies into a normal american town in the 50's, they'd be torn apart. But would that be the government doing it? No.

 

If China were, right now, to tell the US to surrender Alaska and Hawaii, and split itself into two different countries, and then pay for any troops the Chinese would need to enforce that, Americans wouldn't care because China hadn't actually done anything, right?

 

I'm done with analogies for the day.

[Retech]

The Russian EMPRESS does not support abolishing the Monarchy, merely revising it.

 

Fixed

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Wait, what revolutionaries? I never had an army before yesterday or so

Prussian revolutionaries who, when I went to talk to them, decided to attempt to kill me.

Anti-Monarchists, prefer violence and are generally unstable...Which is, according to Dusty, the norm the period (Since Dusty said that 'Reasonable'(Talking is reasonable, apparently) people are few and far between.)

Seems to be a massive difference in knowladge in this game...Its like playing blindmans buff at the cliff edge. :thumbsup:

 

 

If China were, right now, to tell the US to surrender Alaska and Hawaii, and split itself into two different countries, and then pay for any troops the Chinese would need to enforce that, Americans wouldn't care because China hadn't actually done anything, right?

Slightly correction...The US is fighting over the 13th ammendment...and Alaska and Hawaii are controlled by Slave Owners, apart from that, correct.

Anyway, France wasn't suppose to agree to the peace treaty...and as a concept it is more damaging than helpful....Here is a peace treaty with BOTH sides getting something, and it is rejected....Meaning that a peace treaty in the future is pretty unlikely...Which means neither side is gonna get hung up with people going 'We should talk about this' because we have talked about it...

So unless Dusty is using a die (Which would explain the massive differences in knowladge...and would mean that nothing we do has any effect...) to work out the big important decisions, things should develop along a straight forward path, in France...In Prussia I am probably gonna be facing a peasent revolt or something.

 

Fixed

Hegemony sucks at politics....people can't tell the difference between Propaganda and Fact...

[Retech]

We will be drawing mainly on four facts(That I know about...since there is stacks I don't know I leave that to the printers and the local contacts to fill in):

 

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I paraphrased.

 

Cathy supports the French Revolution, the French Revolution supports the removal of the Monarchy. Therefore Cathy supports the removal of the Monarchy....What you actually support is immaterial, since the French people do not have wikipedia or twitter, so, short of travelling to Revolutionary France or blanketing the area with leaflets, there is no way for you to counter those arguments...

 

[Hello, how are you?]

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I was just noting that you were using "facts." Since you were referring to it in a "human in the 21st century" outlook, I was pointing out that it was not true, in the 21st century outlook. Technically, I was not wrong. Doesn't really matter about the propaganda to me. :P

 

It doesn't really matter though. I find it doubtful that the propaganda will do anything much.

[Retech]

My question is how a Prussian spreads leaflets better than a revolutionary group in their home country. :P

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My question is how a Prussian spreads leaflets better than a revolutionary group in their home country.

They don't...You don't have to be the best at something to engage in it...all you have to do is try.

[Wisp]

Plus many people cannot read, so speeches and rallies are the best way to get the word out. Many flyers are pictures rather than words for this purpose.

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I had thought that, but couldn't work out how I was gonna do anything else without getting stabbed, or learning the bazzilion different languages being spoken at the time*...

Pictures seem like a good idea, but I couldn't work out how to be ironic with pictures(Without using words)

And unlike your revolutionaries, my people getting stabbed won't strengthen my cause all that much.

 

My soliders getting mob killed, tortured and all that jazz probably will though.

 

 

*

According to historian Eric Hobsbawm, "the French language has been essential to the concept of 'France'", although in 1789, 50 percent of the French people did not speak it at all, and only 12 to 13 percent spoke it fairly well; even in oïl language zones, it was not usually used except in cities, and even there not always in the outlying districts.

Probably not all that important, but if you wanted to roleplay it then you could

[jasignhagj]

Update is Tuesday right? Spanish budget comes out tomorrow.

[Nero]

Prussia spends 150,000 ducuts printing parodies of the French Revolutionary leaflets, and distributing them into Revolutionary France using friendly contacts to mix them with actual revolutionary leaflets.

We will try to make the leaflets local specific...So it addresses issues that are actually of importance to these people and make sure that the leaflets get right up their nose(in terms of annoy them, not literally)

 

 

We will be drawing mainly on four facts(That I know about...since there is stacks I don't know I leave that to the printers and the local contacts to fill in):

The Russian QUEEN supports abolishing the Monarchy...

The Austrian KING defeated the French Royal Army...

The Prussians are unwilling to fight if there is a peaceful solution...

Women need to give up their innocence.

 

Implying that:

Only the Divine Power of the Monarchy can defeat the Monarchy

France is unable to fight a war while they are divided.

Words are weak!

Women must submit to man's will to grow the population.

 

 

Stuff along the lines of:

'The Queen of Russia, her honourable majesty, has given us her support! With her divine power we shall fight Louis' Divine power! Just as King Josef defeated our Glorious Royal Army!

'So it is now my friends! Now is the time to strike! We have all seen that France is weak now! If we destroy the remnance of the Royal Army then literary ANYONE could waltz into Versailles and seize power!

'And for those who believe the Prussians, believe that we must talk! In the future there will be no 'talking'! If you want something your neighbour has, then you kill him! You don't ask for trade! We must KILL EVERYONE!

'How will we kill all these people? We shall breed our armies! For women have the greatest duty of all, they must submit to man every ten months! From cradle to grave it is womankind's duty to bear the armies of tommrow!'

 

 

Addition: 500 Line troops are sent marching through the revolutionary zone of France, carrying with them leaflets (these are actively supporting peace and goodwill and such and are not designed to be French Revolutionary) which they distribute where possible. They are instructed not to be heroes and try to take on the revolutionary masses, however they are to be honourable in conduct.

 

 

 

 

Elsewhere Prussia's Russian Nobles offer a 1 million ducat rebate on taxes, in exchange for an increased bread quota for the year(assuming feudalism). Else they buy 1 million ducats worth of bread(Probably far too much, so reduce as neccessary). (Grain is used if the bread will be stale/moldy by the time it arrives) Excess grain is brought from America as well (Dusty, you will need you to work how much I owe Dungeonal) and is either used to suppliment the reduced bread levels in Prussia or added to the bread caravan to France...Or arrives seperately since there is the chance someone will try to intercept my ships...To counteract this the ships are sent in groups, rather than all at once...If they are intercepted then I will probably go via Austria and through Switzerland, paying tolls as neccessary)

James Watt(Logistics Wizard) is put in command of this operation.

The bread/grain is then loaded onto ships(Combination of French, Prussian and Commercial ships hired from neutral countries, probably mainly from the Netherlands, Sweden and Britian) and transported to northern France, accompanied by a couple of benevolant Russian Nobles(If none can be found then Prussian Nobles...if still none can be found then I use magic Bourgeoisie...if they don't exist yet then I get some guildsmen and pay them a good wage). When they arrive they will use the Dutch Windmills to power mill stones, which will be gifted to France, along with the Bread/Grain.

If the French don't want the windmills/millstones and such...Then I just send flour/bread.

 

 

Also I offer an open invitation to Imperial French Officers to spend time at the Academy of Prussia, they are obviously not taught all of our secrets but they are helped along the path to reasonable fighting skill...since currently they seem to be just a step above rabble.

 

Prussia buys 1,000 Grenadiers(1.5 million) and begins extensive Quicklime Grenade Training. Probably won't make any difference, but since I can't use any of the brillant plans I have come up with in the last six seconds, so I might as well use what I am allowed to use...

 

Further I deploy Prussian Red Cross Medics to France to try to help out with the recovering Imperial Army.

If there is time/once completed the Red Cross redeploy to French Villages and use all the medical skill they possess to help the villages with whatever aliement it is possible to help with.

 

Additionally, Prussian jails, being strangely empty, are offered to France to send their Bastile Prisoners, since Prussia is not at war with Austria(France possibly still is, so better not to have them broken into and freed by the Austrians), and our commitment should show we are unlikely to release these political miscreants.

Further 4,000 Line Infantry are permenantly deployed(400,000(Possibly more)) to protect Paris, particularly the Bastile, since that is where the gunpowder is stored (Commonsense to stay near the gunpowder...though no more than 1,500 are kept within the blast range at any one time to prevent helpful accidents and such)

The Bastile is also outfitted with Quicklime Grenades in the corridors.

Since corridors are unlikely to suffer from wind...although draughts are possible...they should be safer to use

 

Prussian Cannon Works are put at the disposal of Imperial France(Not sharing tech, but they can get cannons cheaply for however long this deal lasts)

 

Furthermore General Molotov(Defensive Doctrine) heads to Imperial France to help train the militas and soliders in Defensive Fighting. General Mannerheim(Displine) is dispatched to help organise the militas in effective fighting forces as well. Mannerheim also makes some time to help the French troops rebuild their shattered morale...

 

 

Translators are sent, if they are required, since French is the dominate language of Diplomacy it should be fine for my Generals, but the medics, army group and guildsmen probably will need them.

 

 

In return for all of this Charity we expect a fair supply of wine, cheese, garlic and other such stuff, which will hopefully goes someway to pacifying the Prussian peoples for all of this helping other people stuff. Because taking it off them for no cost generates resentment and such, they are paid at cost or just above.

Also the three deck ship technology...Since France should be significantly indebted to me by this point, if not then I will quibble over a price.

Additionally, brain drain from France to Prussia.

Imperial France declines the offer to move the Bastille, but allows Prussian troops into France if they so wish. They won't give you anything for it though, aside from paying deployment costs.

 

-Normandy becomes 'Prussian Friendly'

[Nero]

Update (not in chronological order):

 

-Revolutionaries burn villages in Calais, and kill the inhabitants

-Imperial France allows Prussian troops in to help with the Revolution

-Imperial France raises another 6,000 Line infantry, thus nearly bankrupting themselves

-The French Imperial army moves again to try and take Versailles

12,000 line infantry

8,000 fusiliers

2,000 skirmishers

4,000 cuirassiers

26 cannon

-Revolution spreads to Denmark

-Rev. France gains all of Guyenne (south western france) as Revolutionary Influenced

-Russia begins construction on expanding St. Petersburg

-Rev. France spreads the word of the Declaration of the Rights of Man/Woman

-Revolutionary France raises an army:

7,000 Revolutionary guard (Young Guard)

4,000 Cuirassier

1,000 Skirmishers

20 Cannon

 

Mercenaries:

10,000 Lithuanian/Italian/Irish/Hungarian Line Infantry (mercenaries)

 

 

News from Russia:

Also, a letter is sent to a Scandanavian country (the one bordering Russia) and Kazakhstan. Summary of what it says:

 

Kazakhstan and Scandanavian country are represented diplomatically by Russia

Kazakhstan provides a standing army of a few thousand calvary

Scandanavian country provides their navy to join the team

Russia exports agricultural tools and such to Kazakhstan at cost (no profit, so lowest possible price)

Russia will export agrilcultural tools to Scandanavian country

Russia provides protection to Kazakhstan and Scandanavian country

Ten generals from each country come to the War Collegium, to make an advisory group of 40 or 50 generals

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Kewl map. :thumbup:

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Isn't Sweden(Scandinavian country) controlled by Ross?

 

Thanks Dusty.

[Retech]

Yesh. I wasn't sure what to do, so I just went ahead with it anyways.

[The_Mather1]

Isn't Sweden(Scandinavian country) controlled by Ross?

 

Thanks Dusty.

Norway touches Russia, but Sweden's land-connection to Russia is cut of by Finland.

[The_Mather1]

That area is called Finmark, there are no trees there and it's flat. Lichen is aboundant though and the Samii live there.