Napoleonic Hegemony

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Russia reminds the Netherlands that it is a republic, so it should kick out the Russian nobles.

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The dutch 'Aint a republic yet retech (Though I intend to swing that way). The Dutch Remind "The filthy harlot spinster " (Queen Catherin) that the queen could not keep her own retainers in her country. The Netherlands also question the Administrative power of her regime. Then the letter degenerates into "Thine honorable mother" jokes.

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Yes it is.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Republic

 

 

 

Accepting oppresive nobles into a republic? Hmmmmmmmm?

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Huzzah, marching through the Russian winters against an army which is still twice as large. :thumbup:

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I have...two overseas provinces? Also, naval fortifications would slowly wear down your naval blockade, as most of my trade is overland through Poland. Russia wasn't exactly dependant on trade at the time.

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Alternatively declare war, announce a big army, and then send five guys in a boat....To face down the full Russian army...Do that a couple of times, wear out Russia's budget so they can only deploy a small force, then attack with a decent sized army....Take a bunch of provinces, scorch earth them, retreat.

Rinse and repeat.

 

Since Russia continues to get invaded and Cathy does nothing about it(Just a lot of 'pretend' invasions, staged by Cathy to make Russia seem stronger) she is seen as weak...and if we were to ask Dusty where the grain fields or the sheep fields or textile mills or main roads into Poland were...then we could target those provinces first...

Making you poor, weak and ineffectual...then we round up a bunch of Doom's book/s, rewrite it/them as leaflets and cause increased dissent.

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Right, you can try that if you want. Remember that only Austro-Hungary and the Ottoman share a border with Russia. Prussia doesn't share a border with Russia, but Russia shares a border with Prussia, if that makes any sense.

 

 

 

Also, don't you think that's at least a BIT abusable?

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You mean you will attack me through Poland? A brillant plan...However I have very little interest in blowing up a house fully of dynamite with a lit fuse already burning....

 

If I were to attack Russia I would probably invent a device for moving across water

...It would probably take hundreds of years to....Wait, a log floats...If I got many logs I could build such a device...what to call it....Hmmm....A Rift? A Ruft? No, I have it, a Raft!

But that doesn't seem to maneverable....I know, I will use what I learned from the Dutch Windmills to develop a science of water dynamics....What to call it though? Water Dynamics isn't very sciencey sounding....hmmm Fluxocalorification? Nah....Hydrodynamics perhaps?

And using this new science I have invented I will devise a method for moving logs quickly from place to place by cutting down the surface area....So if I cut across the beam...hey that sounds like a good name, I will create Beams of Wood....Beams of non-metal? Beams of Timber!...I will create beams of timber and shape them into a huge log with a curved bottom!

And that gives me another idea...If I don't fill the middle bit I can Hold troops! And that sounds like a perfect name I will place my troops in the Hold of my giant log....Nah, that sounds like a bad name....giant cannon? No, I have it a Ship!

But thinking of cannons, I might need to defend my new fangled ships, so I will create cannon holes above the waterline!

 

 

 

My god, all of these new technologies I am inventing, who knows how we got along without them for so long!

 

 

 

 

Also, don't you think that's at least a BIT abusable?

Its not FAIR Dusty, Archi has been blessed with sense, reason and intellect, and is using them to beat me!

[jasignhagj]

ICU, I propose a peace offer that all their of us should find suitable.

 

The treaty of Mississippi

 

Great Britain surrenders the following provinces shown on the map.

Great Britain agrees to stop colonization south of the 49th parallel.

Great Britain agrees to sell all provinces marked with a blue dot to USA over the next 20 years, for a price of 1 Million Ducats each.

USA, Spain and Great Britain shall not fight each other in a war for the next 20 years.

Spain shall release three provinces as an Indian Free State.

 

[a_bert]

You can chicken out, but I'm not. And if you do, I'll be very dissapointed. You have no right to negotiate for my holdings. There's no sense in paying for what can be taken with justification.

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That seems fair if you ask me as you will lose quite a few more men fighting against the British and then the Indians(probably not circa 28 millions worth but you never know). In any rate Icu is on vacation (or so I believe) so he will probably not be refusing or accepting any time soon.

 

EDIT: Has ross ever posted on this topic once?

[jasignhagj]

You can chicken out, but I'm not. And if you do, I'll be very dissapointed. You have no right to negotiate for my holdings. There's no sense in paying for what can be taken with justification.

 

It was simply an offer. While I won't betray you, there is only so much I can do to help. Britain had a large army stationed in the UK because they feared they would be attacked there. Next time that army will likely come straight for you. I just ask you to consider the offer.

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Happy Birthday Edel, Here is some money and soldiers!

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Prussia buys a gold plated 28 meter high horse, pulled by a team of Prussian Imperial Guards, specially trained in fire eating.

They cross the Prussia-Austrian Border and proceed, by weaving path, to the Capital, with small lumps of silver/bronze being thrown celebratorily into the air so that the peasents may have gifts to celebrate their leader's birthday.

When they arrive at the Capital, the Prussian General, Santa Klaus, reaches inside the gold plated horse and extracts a horn of the finest Gunpowder, he then spreads a trail aroud the Golden Horse, with fireworks stationed every few centimeters.

The trail leads in an almost complete circle(prevents it going the other way).

As the trail burns the fireworks are set off, drawing Oooos and Ahhhhhs from the crowd.

 

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After lighting the fuse Santa Klaus backs into the crowd(then rus off), ostensibly to get a good view, but actually so he doesn't get blow up when the trail of gunpowder reaches inside the Gold Plated Horse and detonates the 1.7 tonnes of Gunpowder. Releasing 3 Gigajoules of energy. The equivient of a MOAB bomb....Which should kill all the people in attendence, including the Austrian King...Prussia then declares a great tragedy, an accident to do with the fireworks, and in the confusion seizes 4 provinces from Austria and leadership of the Holy Roman Empire.

Investigation reveals a mad Polish person in the crowd had fired a flaming arrow into the explosive stockpile, detonating the massive stockpile of fireworks. In responce the HRE declares war on Poland.

(PS, ignore everything in this post, except this sentence, everything else is a joke)

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Also, don't you think that's at least a BIT abusable?

Its not FAIR Dusty, Archi has been blessed with sense, reason and intellect, and is using them to beat me!

 

Now the Archi I know wouldn't be using cheap shots like this. ;)

 

 

 

Russian soldier: Commander, I spot five Prussian soldiers on a rickety boat!

Commander: Quickly, mobilise the entire Imperial army!

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Hmmm, I suppose you could overcome that by stationing guardsmen along your seabanks(probably free, since people live in most of these places anyway) who would then relay a message back to your army...

Which would then need to be deployed, as opposed to already being deployed....

 

However, it would depend how close the areas I(if I were to do this) wanted to pillage were...If they are 5 miles inland and your army is stationed 13 miles away, then me landing my army(say 2,000 men) riding off to pillage your area, then riding back, getting on boats and sailing into the sunset before your army arrived, is entirely possible.

 

 

Of course having your army camped 13 miles from the shoreline is kinda unlikely... =P

If you army is based out of Moscow and I am attacking, for instance, a sheep field near St Petersburg, then logistics says that I will be in and out before your runner has run back to Moscow, got the army ready to march, and then marched all the way to St Petersburg...

However, if you army was based at St Petersburg, then you have a good chance of intercepting my forces.

 

So it would be a gamble.

If you kept your army on full alert then 5 men in their boat would set off your system, and those 5 men and their boat would get slaughtered...but would cost you a tonne...

If you kept your army undeployed, then 2,000 men turned up, set fire to a bunch of sheep(makes more sense when you think about it), then disappeared on the boats...while your runner was still on their way to Moscow...then it costs you a tonne in a different way.

 

 

Either way you think about it...unless Dusty Ninja Calverys things...you are running a significant risk.

Attacking me directly being the obvious alternative for you... though if I was clever I would hire a bunch of Tunisian Mercs(or just Opium them up) to attack you indirectly...Or hire someone in China to hire someone in France to hire someone in Prussia to hire someone in Spain to hire a band of Polish Mercs...

Course, it is obviously me in that instance, since only I develop these fiendishly complicated webs... :shades:

 

 

Now the Archi I know wouldn't be using cheap shots like this.

I have no problem with people disagreeing...I have a problem with people whining to the mod/whatever that a tactic someone is using is overpowered when there is no logical argument against it...

If you had said 'If I spotted a rowing boat with 5 men I wouldn't sound a general alarm' then that is a logical argument....Going 'That tactic is abusable! DUSTY!!!!!' is not a logical arguement.

 

Anywho...Now that I know that 5 men in a boat won't set off a general alarm...I can deploy 800 boats to different locations, land 4,000 troops, set fire to a bunch of sheep in a lot of different areas, then disperse back onto a bunch of boats... and sail/row away while you are still wondering why there are lots of red and orange clouds moving around outside =P.

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Another alternative would be to set fire to a bunch of your sheep and grain fields, then, secretly, place a minefield between me and Poland...thus destroying a large chunk of your army when you counter attack.

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I thought it was pretty obvious why it was abusable. :rolleyes:

 

 

 

 

Of course, all of this talk of unconventional warfare tempts me to smash into Prussia, execute the king, and place the nobles in charge. Since you would probaly be playing the king's heir, the nobles would be too conservative to allow any of your ideas, so I don't have to think about unconventional warfare anymore. :thumbup:

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Of course, Dusty wouldn't allow you to use logical tactics because, surprise surprise, this Napoleonic game we're playing uses Napoleonic tactics. Who'da thunk it?

 

Thank you. :thumbup:

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You could...then I would take China and conventionally smash you from behind...

 

That...or, somewhat more sensically, let you punch yourself out with a sustained war in Prussia(All I really have to do to defeat your plan is wander out of Berlin and not defend, you waste 3 million on a worthless attack, make aload of annoucements, I pull a France in 16 something where I just don't declare that I have been beaten and refuse to meet you on the field of battle...you piddle about wasting money(since my 5 man force will trip your army stationed in Berlin) ...then I crush you a few years later....

 

 

 

Rocco...the concept of a hit and run attack has existed for a long time...

As has the concept of not attacking someone with your full army....A strange concept I know.

 

If we are limited to only using 'FULL ATTACK' or 'FULL ATTACK' then, as well as being historically inaccurate(oddly enough there were many other tactics used) Russia is in a game breaking position...as is Great Britian, China and the Ottomen Empire...And...as I have said before, shallow game is shallow.

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That I agree on...it is also a very stupid tactic, since Dusty will, probably, rightly assume that someone, somewhere in the Russian Government, will realise that 800 Prussian Fish Boats is somewhat fishy(pardon the pun), and thus will take some sort of action.

 

Additionally, Russia is a Huge country...getting 800 boats to land and 4,000 soliders to meet up, would be a huge logistics feat...and relatively pointless...Sending a spy to set fire to random sheep would probably be easier, cheaper and more successful.

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Is there anything wrong with a Napoleanic era game then? As it says on the front post, the game is about strategy instead of tactics. Do we really have to devolve into sending highly coordinated teams of spies, like the cold war? Why can't we stick with the politics, revolution, and huge armies of the era?

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I would....but the Napoleonic Era will never happen in Hegemony.

I had an arguement with Dusty about the relationship between strategy and tactics....

 

I send X number of men into battle against 3 cannons and 100 calvery....How many men do I send?

103(3+100)?

400(300+100)?

500(300+200)?

 

If tactics are not in out control, and plans are not forthcoming, then we have very little ability to work out strategy...

 

 

 

I am NOT overly interested in fighting a war with Russia, I am simply stating that these are options if anyone was going to fight a war with Russia...and summerily things Russia should be aware of...

As for should we or shouldn't we....If the situation demands it...I am not gonna sit whining to Dusty about the size of someone else's army...I am going to come up with a plan and launch it.

 

 

 

Also, Politics is something the Tavern epically fails at.

Revolution is only fun because we can't physically fail at it....We announce something, Dusty puts up a minor roadblock, we sweep it away. Ooo, ahh...

Huge armies? Huge armies that were summoned into being over the course of a year or two, sent off to fight a battle or campaign and then return...

These were not the days of 'I build a massive army and sit on it for the next 50 years and pwn everything that comes near me.'...Which is ultimately why Hegemony gets stale....People build an army and compete for the largest army...the person with the most resources wins...then the rich get richer...End of game, thanks for 2 months of your life.

[paul191600]

I would....but the Napoleonic Era will never happen in Hegemony.

I had an arguement with Dusty about the relationship between strategy and tactics....

 

I send X number of men into battle against 3 cannons and 100 calvery....How many men do I send?

103(3+100)?

400(300+100)?

500(300+200)?

 

If tactics are not in out control, and plans are not forthcoming, then we have very little ability to work out strategy...

 

 

 

I am NOT overly interested in fighting a war with Russia, I am simply stating that these are options if anyone was going to fight a war with Russia...and summerily things Russia should be aware of...

As for should we or shouldn't we....If the situation demands it...I am not gonna sit whining to Dusty about the size of someone else's army...I am going to come up with a plan and launch it.

 

 

 

Also, Politics is something the Tavern epically fails at.

Revolution is only fun because we can't physically fail at it....We announce something, Dusty puts up a minor roadblock, we sweep it away. Ooo, ahh...

Huge armies? Huge armies that were summoned into being over the course of a year or two, sent off to fight a battle or campaign and then return...

These were not the days of 'I build a massive army and sit on it for the next 50 years and pwn everything that comes near me.'...Which is ultimately why Hegemony gets stale....People build an army and compete for the largest army...the person with the most resources wins...then the rich get richer...End of game, thanks for 2 months of your life.

I c whut u did thar.

[Wisp]

The national assembly adopts the declaration of the rights of man and the citizen, including more rights for women than the "real" one, given the recent women's march. Revolutionaries get even angrier after Prussia's threats against our country, their hypocritical policies will only lead to their downfall.