When i killed Steel dragons, i averaged 1 Effigy a day. Now i have killed many mithrils for couple days, and i got only 1 Effigy (first trip i did with Chaotic rapier). Now i am on trip 15 or something (36+mithrils per trip). Is there a effigy restriction of some sort?

 

Perhaps, because Mithril dragons drops Elite clues more often, that i get less Effigies. Because at Steels i got tons of Hard (level 3) clues, but no Elite. And at Mithrils i got 4 Elite so far. Because both Effigies and Elite clues drops more often at higher combat level monsters. So when a Elite clue or Effigy is gonna be dropped, Elite clue have won the drop against Effigy in being picked to drop. While if you look at Steels, Effigies don't have any competition.

 

 

Steels:

Loads lvl 3 clues, loads effigies

 

Miths:

1 Effigy, 4 elite clue.

 

 

There is also Chewed bones to consider too, but i am not sure.

No.

No. You really need to learn something about droprates and averages. The average droprate of effigies from slayer is around 110k xp, i went around 900k slayer xp between drops- it's all luck.

Ok, there is no restriction. But let's say Elite clue and Effigy is in same drop group called for example "special items". Wouldn't it then make sense that the reason i get so little Effigies at Miths is because i get Elite clues (1 effigy, 4 elite clue)?

Ok, there is no restriction. But let's say Elite clue and Effigy is in same drop group called for example "special items". Wouldn't it then make sense that the reason i get so little Effigies at Miths is because i get Elite clues (1 effigy, 4 elite clue)?

 

No.

Ok, there is no restriction. But let's say Elite clue and Effigy is in same drop group called for example "special items". Wouldn't it then make sense that the reason i get so little Effigies at Miths is because i get Elite clues (1 effigy, 4 elite clue)?

 

No.

And what is your reason for saying NO?

Ok, there is no restriction. But let's say Elite clue and Effigy is in same drop group called for example "special items". Wouldn't it then make sense that the reason i get so little Effigies at Miths is because i get Elite clues (1 effigy, 4 elite clue)?

 

No.

And what is your reason for saying NO?

 

Because Runescape does not keep track of what drops you've had and calculates which ones you're "due" for next. It's all random, but there's an average, and getting an effigy or an elite clue does not suddenly change your luck or anything like that. Statistically you'll get one effigy every such-and-such kills, but you could get one EVERY kill, theoretically.

 

EDIT: By "get an effigy every such-and-such kills," I mean over a very large sample size it'll average out. I don't mean you're due for one every 150 kills or whatever.

Ok, there is no restriction. But let's say Elite clue and Effigy is in same drop group called for example "special items". Wouldn't it then make sense that the reason i get so little Effigies at Miths is because i get Elite clues (1 effigy, 4 elite clue)?

 

No.

And what is your reason for saying NO?

What is your reason of thinking up 'impossible to prove but stupid' hypothesis? In any case, i'm fairly sure clues and effigies can be dropped together, but in any case, they aren't affected by eachother.

 

Also, how are you getting little effigies at miths? I think the droprate is around 200 +-50, so unless you've killed 2k+ and only have one effigy, it's completely normal.

Ok, there is no restriction. But let's say Elite clue and Effigy is in same drop group called for example "special items". Wouldn't it then make sense that the reason i get so little Effigies at Miths is because i get Elite clues (1 effigy, 4 elite clue)?

 

No.

And what is your reason for saying NO?

What is your reason of thinking up 'impossible to prove but stupid' hypothesis? In any case, i'm fairly sure clues and effigies can be dropped together, but in any case, they aren't affected by eachother.

 

Also, how are you getting little effigies at miths? I think the droprate is around 200 +-50, so unless you've killed 2k+ and only have one effigy, it's completely normal.

I got only this question to ask you:

Can you prove that Effigies and Elite clues aren't in same drop group?

 

Yes/No. If Yes, show me the proof please.

Clues have always been on their own table. While I cannot prove that they're on separate tables, I highly doubt that they are.

 

As an aside: Yet another SirHemen thread where he asks a question and argues with everyone who gives him an answer. :rolleyes:

Clues have always been on their own table. While I cannot prove that they're on separate tables, I highly doubt that they are.

 

As an aside: Yet another SirHemen thread where he asks a question and argues with everyone who gives him an answer. :rolleyes:

You can't prove if Elite and other difficulty clues are on same drop tables or not. You can't. So i am for NOW just discussing this question i asked in this topic. Is there anything wrong with that? You first reply to my question with "No." without any explanation as to why.

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Clues have always been on their own table. While I cannot prove that they're on separate tables, I highly doubt that they are.

 

As an aside: Yet another SirHemen thread where he asks a question and argues with everyone who gives him an answer. :rolleyes:

You can't prove if Elite and other difficulty clues are on same drop tables or not. You can't. So i am for NOW just discussing this question i asked in this topic. Is there anything wrong with that? You first reply to my question with "No." without any explanation as to why.

 

Using profanity won't help your case, especially when you're bringing a moderator here. The posters above are those who enjoy efficiency, and do research about it. You cannot prove the answers unless you are Jagex, so for now, why not listen to multiple people giving you the same answer?

Clues have always been on their own table. While I cannot prove that they're on separate tables, I highly doubt that they are.

 

As an aside: Yet another SirHemen thread where he asks a question and argues with everyone who gives him an answer. :rolleyes:

You can't prove if Elite and other difficulty clues are on same drop tables or not. You can't. So i am for NOW just discussing this question i asked in this topic. Is there anything wrong with that? You first reply to my question with "No." without any explanation as to why.

 

Using profanity won't help your case, especially when you're bringing a moderator here. The posters above are those who enjoy efficiency, and do research about it. You cannot prove the answers unless you are Jagex, so for now, why not listen to multiple people giving you the same answer?

So just because majority of these posters, Obturianian, Grimy bunyip and Xpx is efficency people all of sudden their answer is right? What a argument! And who said i am not a effiency guy? Also these 3 people post 99% of time in my H&A topics. And when i am critical or ask why, or discuss a matter, they go around ranting, spamming or trolling.

 

And the irony is? I don't WANT these three peoples replies on my topics, because they often go around saying i am a "time waster". And if i am a timewaster, OK fine. But Why post in my topic, again , again and again when your wasting your time on me?

 

And i pmed a Moderator, because these three are not viewing and replying my topics to help. They are to troll. And if you are observant enough, my first question was "Is there a Effigy restriction?", they replied "NO". and i said "Ok", and moved on to next question that came up.

 

Look at Obturaians post to my first quesiton:

"NO".

 

Where is the argument, where is the explanation or reason? What am i not getting? How can a simple "NO" or "YES" be enough as proof or argument!

 

 

ON TOPIC:

None of them can proove Elite clue is on same drop table as all other clues. They are not Jagex, i am not Jagex. But i am simply putting it out to say that it can be possible.

So just because majority of these posters, Obturianian, Grimy bunyip and Xpx is efficency people all of sudden their answer is right? What a argument! And who said i am not a effiency guy? Also these 3 people post 99% of time in my H&A topics. And when i am critical or ask why, or discuss a matter, they go around ranting, spamming or trolling.

 

And the irony is? I don't WANT these three peoples replies on my topics, because they often go around saying i am a "time waster". And if i am a timewaster, OK fine. But Why post in my topic, again , again and again when your wasting your time on me?

 

And i pmed a Moderator, because these three are not viewing and replying my topics to help. They are to troll.

 

 

ON TOPIC:

None of them can proove Elite clue is on same drop table as all other clues. They are not Jagex, i am not Jagex. But i am simply putting it out to say that it can be possible.

 

Doesn't justify using profanity, breaking the rules of these forums. I'm not saying every answer is write, I'm saying multiple people have the same answer, there's usually a reason for it. They did help, and they did answer your question, and they cannot go around giving proof of everything, especially something as the drop rate tables, which we do not have access too.

 

No, they cannot prove it, no one can, so why ask the question when it's impossible to prove? That seems to be going in a circle. doesn't it? "I know you can't prove it, but I want you to." Granted, they all three can have some attitude issues, you cannot go playing that game, as that'll only encourage it. Just let it go, and wait for someone else if you don't want to listen to them.

So just because majority of these posters, Obturianian, Grimy bunyip and Xpx is efficency people all of sudden their answer is right? What a argument! And who said i am not a effiency guy? Also these 3 people post 99% of time in my H&A topics. And when i am critical or ask why, or discuss a matter, they go around ranting, spamming or trolling.

 

And the irony is? I don't WANT these three peoples replies on my topics, because they often go around saying i am a "time waster". And if i am a timewaster, OK fine. But Why post in my topic, again , again and again when your wasting your time on me?

 

And i pmed a Moderator, because these three are not viewing and replying my topics to help. They are to troll.

 

 

ON TOPIC:

None of them can proove Elite clue is on same drop table as all other clues. They are not Jagex, i am not Jagex. But i am simply putting it out to say that it can be possible.

 

Doesn't justify using profanity, breaking the rules of these forums. I'm not saying every answer is write, I'm saying multiple people have the same answer, there's usually a reason for it. They did help, and they did answer your question, and they cannot go around giving proof of everything, especially something as the drop rate tables, which we do not have access too.

 

No, they cannot prove it, no one can, so why ask the question when it's impossible to prove? That seems to be going in a circle. doesn't it? "I know you can't prove it, but I want you to." Granted, they all three can have some attitude issues, you cannot go playing that game, as that'll only encourage it. Just let it go, and wait for someone else if you don't want to listen to them.

They DID help. They answered me about Effigy restriction. But when i asked another question about if it's possible that Elite clue might affect Effigy drop rate Mithrils, they went on trolling ranting about me. And why did i ask a question that i or other can't proof? To discuss. I though discussion was what TIF forums was for? OR am i wrong?

Yes it can be possible that clues and effigies are on the same drop table and therefore getting a clue would "steal" a possible effigy drop. Having someone to confirm you can get both at the same time would prove it but the other way around can only remain an hypothesis until proven otherwise.

 

I don't remember getting a clue on my effigies drop, but it's not because it hasn't happened, it's because I never took notice. Lastly, your drop sample is a bit low to get a conclusive result.

 

Edit: same for chewed bones, I never took notice. Can someone confirm you can get both effigies, clues and chewed bones on the same kill?

Yes it can be possible that clues and effigies are on the same drop table and therefore getting a clue would "steal" a possible effigy drop. Having someone to confirm you can get both at the same time would prove it but the other way around can only remain an hypothesis until proven otherwise.

 

I don't remember getting a clue on my effigies drop, but it's not because it hasn't happened, it's because I never took notice. Lastly, your drop sample is a bit low to get a conclusive result.

Thanks for a good comment. Unlike some other people. Yes, it's for now a hypothesis (i gotta use that word more). But i will go kill Steel dragons and see if i get Effigies fast. I don't have a huge sample, so for now i can't say for sure, as a fact or prove that Elite clue affects Effigy drop.

 

But i will have you know, i have killed loads Steel dragons and Mithrils :thumbup: On my way to go kill Steels now (need 1 Effigy for 19K RC exp)

They DID help. They answered me about Effigy restriction. But when i asked another question about if it's possible that Elite clue might affect Effigy drop rate Mithrils, they went on trolling ranting about me. And why did i ask a question that i or other can't proof? To discuss. I though discussion was what TIF forums was for? OR am i wrong?

 

But NOTHING can affect the drop rate. Nothing. Even though I'm statistically supposed to get a certain number of dragon claws per kills, getting a pair does not suddenly lower my chances of getting another until I reach such-and-such number of kills. It wouldn't matter if effigies and clue were on the same table (which I highly doubt they are), because you could just as easily get an effigy/clue on the very next kill.

They DID help. They answered me about Effigy restriction. But when i asked another question about if it's possible that Elite clue might affect Effigy drop rate Mithrils, they went on trolling ranting about me. And why did i ask a question that i or other can't proof? To discuss. I though discussion was what TIF forums was for? OR am i wrong?

 

But NOTHING can affect the drop rate. Nothing. Even though I'm statistically supposed to get a certain number of dragon claws per kills, getting a pair does not suddenly lower my chances of getting another until I reach such-and-such number of kills. It wouldn't matter if effigies and clue were on the same table (which I highly doubt they are), because you could just as easily get an effigy/clue on the very next kill.

 

Langer gets it, you don't.

Yes it can be possible that clues and effigies are on the same drop table and therefore getting a clue would "steal" a possible effigy drop.

 

 

Now please leave this discussion. Because you had your chance. And you started your reply with a simple "No.". And you even think that i think that Elite clue affects drop rate of a Effigy lol.

 

I will repeat:

I was ready for your discussing posts, but you replied with a NO. Now i don't want you posting anymore. Because your a troll. So leave this thread you think of "waste of time".

They DID help. They answered me about Effigy restriction. But when i asked another question about if it's possible that Elite clue might affect Effigy drop rate Mithrils, they went on trolling ranting about me. And why did i ask a question that i or other can't proof? To discuss. I though discussion was what TIF forums was for? OR am i wrong?

 

But NOTHING can affect the drop rate. Nothing. Even though I'm statistically supposed to get a certain number of dragon claws per kills, getting a pair does not suddenly lower my chances of getting another until I reach such-and-such number of kills. It wouldn't matter if effigies and clue were on the same table (which I highly doubt they are), because you could just as easily get an effigy/clue on the very next kill.

Yes it can be possible that clues and effigies are on the same drop table and therefore getting a clue would "steal" a possible effigy drop.

 

What he's saying does not contradict what I'm saying. What's your point?

They DID help. They answered me about Effigy restriction. But when i asked another question about if it's possible that Elite clue might affect Effigy drop rate Mithrils, they went on trolling ranting about me. And why did i ask a question that i or other can't proof? To discuss. I though discussion was what TIF forums was for? OR am i wrong?

 

But NOTHING can affect the drop rate. Nothing. Even though I'm statistically supposed to get a certain number of dragon claws per kills, getting a pair does not suddenly lower my chances of getting another until I reach such-and-such number of kills. It wouldn't matter if effigies and clue were on the same table (which I highly doubt they are), because you could just as easily get an effigy/clue on the very next kill.

Yes it can be possible that clues and effigies are on the same drop table and therefore getting a clue would "steal" a possible effigy drop.

 

What he's saying does not contradict what I'm saying. What's your point?

My point is when i asked you if Elite clue affected Effigys not being dropped, you said no and didn't explain why you said that. I don't want to discuss with someone who can't back up a No/Yes without a argument, explanation or proof. You had none.

I have removed the flaming in this thread, if you see it in the future please report it instead of quoting it. Also, do not flame people for answering your questions, no one in this thread has done anything wrong so acting like they have is a waste of your energy and time. Also telling people to "get out" of the thread is NOT going to be tolerated here. If you continue to post things like that then action will be taken against you.

 

Clues and Effigies can be dropped together and thus are in separate parts of the drop table, you can also see this by noticing how long they take to appear on the floor after a kill. Chewed bones are "normal" drops from mith dragons and thus can be dropped alongside charms, effigies and clues. Clues have no effect on effigies nor the other way around. Just the simple fact that you can only have one clue and they don't drop if you have one proves that.

If it was like langer put it, the droprate would hardly change, and if effigy drop was more common than elite clue drop, it wouldn't change at all.

 

As for proof- as i said, it's almost impossible to prove, thus it's a stupid question, but as it doesn't have any reasonable explanation of why it would be like that(or testing), it's wrong until proven otherwise. Also, as we haven't heard of effigy droprates lowering after the elite clue update, we can only assume your hypothesis to be wrong, or the change is just too minor for anyone to notice.

I have removed the flaming in this thread, if you see it in the future please report it instead of quoting it. Also, do not flame people for answering your questions, no one in this thread has done anything wrong so acting like they have is a waste of your energy and time. Also telling people to "get out" of the thread is NOT going to be tolerated here. If you continue to post things like that then action will be taken against you.

 

Clues and Effigies can be dropped together and thus are in separate parts of the drop table, you can also see this by noticing how long they take to appear on the floor after a kill. Chewed bones are "normal" drops from mith dragons and thus can be dropped alongside charms, effigies and clues. Clues have no effect on effigies nor the other way around. Just the simple fact that you can only have one clue and they don't drop if you have one proves that.

Now that is a great post. Langer's post was a good one, yours was a great one. If only i got those kind of posts in beginning of the topic and not the end. :oops: And there are people here who have done something wrong. But i am not looking to argue with you.

 

But i will tell you this, if you want, you can bann me now. Because at this point, i do not want to be part of Forum tif. If i am not at fault? Then who is? Go ahead and bann me.

Nothing is taken into account for your previous kills as mentioned, my friend once got 2 visages in a row from steel dragons (no im not lying, not is he, i saw it with my own eyes). I would compare that to winning in a lottery, or even harder.