The Fifth Dimension...

[anonimu]

Well as we all know time is the 4th dimension... One way to prove that is this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Two different points form a line.

 

 

 

Two different lines form a plane.

 

 

 

Two different planes form space.

 

 

 

Therefore two different spaces form something... But there's only one space... So two different spaces must form time...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But what's the fifth dimension? Two different time-lines form two different alternate universes... But they're only supposed to form one thing... What is the fifth dimension? Why did I just wake up and think about this? Why don't I eat breakfast? What's Nairb168's tip.it username? What is the fifth dimension????????????????

[Mr_Putter]

Well as we all know time is the 4th dimension... One way to prove that is this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Two different points form a line.

 

 

 

Two different lines form a plane.

 

 

 

Two different planes form space.

 

 

 

Therefore two different spaces form something... But there's only one space... So two different spaces must form time...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But what's the fifth dimension? Two different time-lines form two different alternate universes... But they're only supposed to form one thing... What is the fifth dimension? Why did I just wake up and think about this? Why don't I eat breakfast? What's Nairb168's tip.it username? What is the fifth dimension????????????????

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't have a clue what you mean. How can two spaces form time? And How can 2 planes form a space. And how can 2 lines form a plane? And who's to say that if there's a 5th dimension then there aren't infinite dimensions.

[anonimu]

 

 

 

I don't have a clue what you mean. How can two spaces form time? And How can 2 planes form a space. And how can 2 lines form a plane? And who's to say that if there's a 5th dimension then there aren't infinite dimensions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. Two "spaces" form time because a "space" extends in 3 directions... Therefore there's only one "space" in 3d... So two different "spaces" can only be created by time...

 

 

 

2. Two lines form a plane by the unique plane postulate... you'll learn that in 8th or 9th grade in the U.S...

 

 

 

3. I never said there's only 5 dimensions... And there are an infinte number of dimensions... It's just really hard to think about them...

[Mr_Putter]

 

 

 

 

I don't have a clue what you mean. How can two spaces form time? And How can 2 planes form a space. And how can 2 lines form a plane? And who's to say that if there's a 5th dimension then there aren't infinite dimensions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. Two "spaces" form time because a "space" extends in 3 directions... Therefore there's only one "space" in 3d... So two different "spaces" can only be created by time...

 

 

 

2. Two lines form a plane by the unique plane postulate... you'll learn that in 8th or 9th grade in the U.S...

 

 

 

3. I never said there's only 5 dimensions... And there are an infinte number of dimensions... It's just really hard to think about them...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Too late, I'm in grade 11. And I'm signed up for Physics next semmester, but it's a terrible physics program.

[runesmithie]

 

 

 

 

I don't have a clue what you mean. How can two spaces form time? And How can 2 planes form a space. And how can 2 lines form a plane? And who's to say that if there's a 5th dimension then there aren't infinite dimensions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. Two "spaces" form time because a "space" extends in 3 directions... Therefore there's only one "space" in 3d... So two different "spaces" can only be created by time...

 

 

 

2. Two lines form a plane by the unique plane postulate... you'll learn that in 8th or 9th grade in the U.S...

 

 

 

3. I never said there's only 5 dimensions... And there are an infinte number of dimensions... It's just really hard to think about them...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IIRC the current accepted theory limits it to 11 or 12 dimensions (I may be wrong though *shrug*)

[katsuro0]

i believe string theory has up to 26 dimensions

[unknownmasterofnothing]

5th dimension is tesseract. :)

[jabraulter]

 

Well as we all know time is the 4th dimension... One way to prove that is this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Two different points form a line.

 

 

 

Two different lines form a plane.

 

 

 

Two different planes form space.

 

 

 

Therefore two different spaces form something... But there's only one space... So two different spaces must form time...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But what's the fifth dimension? Two different time-lines form two different alternate universes... But they're only supposed to form one thing... What is the fifth dimension? Why did I just wake up and think about this? Why don't I eat breakfast? What's Nairb168's tip.it username? What is the fifth dimension????????????????

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't have a clue what you mean. How can two spaces form time? And How can 2 planes form a space. And how can 2 lines form a plane? And who's to say that if there's a 5th dimension then there aren't infinite dimensions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-Take two points. Connect them to form a line.

 

 

 

-Take two lines. Connect them to form a plane.

 

 

 

-Now take two planes and intersect them at a 90 degree angle. They will form the third deminsion or DEPTH (space). On a standard geometric graph, one can see an X-axis and a Y-axis. WIth two intersecting planes, you have an X, Y, and Z axis.

 

 

 

-Now take two spaces and interesect them...to do this, it requires time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have a book entitled Hyperspace and it talks about the fifth deminsion and BEYOND. It goes as far as the 10th and nth deminsions. It's very interesting, but you have to really be concentrating to understand it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Interesting topic. I'll have to watch this one.

[runesmithie]

5th dimension is tesseract. :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A tesseract is a 4th dimension object as square and cube are to their respective dimensions

[Aldeon]

2 lines from a plane as a line requires two points on the same plane (x-y, or y-z, z-x, etc)

 

 

 

2 points determine a line

 

 

 

3 points determine a plane

 

 

 

and so on

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also do not get dimensions confused wth t.v. as being an alternate reality its not another universe, realm or place

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

0 dimension = point

 

 

 

1 dimension = line (Length)

 

 

 

2 dimension = plane/polygon (LengthxWidth)

 

 

 

3 dimension = 3d object cubes,cones, polyhedrons, etc. (Length x Width x Height)

 

 

 

4 dimension = time

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's also a key point to remember that just because something lies in that dimension its not a part of that (i.e. lines and planes in our 3d world) Therefor technically were not in the 4th but the 3rd dimension and time is the effect of the 4th dimension as it passes by

 

 

 

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also remember that 1d is 0d "extended", 2d is 1d "extended", and so on

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just visualize it you have a square and you extend it out in the 3rd dimension giving it breadth

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

theres my 2cents on some that i know

[Mr_Putter]

Alright, so I now understand the first ones, but how come 2 spaces equals time?

[Guest GhostRanger]

Alright, so I now understand the first ones, but how come 2 spaces equals time?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes...I'm very confused about this one...

[Scruffy5389]

lol I just spent about 5 min trying to explain it and realized its darn near impossible. I just kind of accept it on faith that time is the fourth dimension. :lol:

 

 

 

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Alright, here's my lil explanation:

 

 

 

The way I think of it is like this: picture a cylinder. It has length, width and depth (3 dimensions). If you take a cross section, you now just have length and width. These two dimensions are frozen somewhere in the third.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Going up a level... Put that cylinder in your basement for a week. Now it is a three dimensional object moving along through time. If you look at it for one instant alone, it only has the standard three dimensions. But those three dimensions have a place somewhere within the week. That one instant is like a cross section of time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Given that little analogy type thingy, time is the fourth dimension.

 

 

 

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Well, I'm not sure that I understand it either, but that's sorta close. :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, it's all moot, because according to Einstein, time is space anyway :shock: :lol: Explain that one!

[Guest GhostRanger]

lol I just spent about 5 min trying to explain it and realized its darn near impossible. I just kind of accept it on faith that time is the fourth dimension. :lol:

 

 

 

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Alright, here's my lil explanation:

 

 

 

The way I think of it is like this: picture a cylinder. It has length, width and depth (3 dimensions). If you take a cross section, you now just have length and width. These two dimensions are frozen somewhere in the third.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Going up a level... Put that cylinder in your basement for a week. Now it is a three dimensional object moving along through time. If you look at it for one instant alone, it only has the standard three dimensions. But those three dimensions have a place somewhere within the week. That one instant is like a cross section of time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Given that little analogy type thingy, time is the fourth dimension.

 

 

 

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Well, I'm not sure that I understand it either, but that's sorta close. :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, it's all moot, because according to Einstein, time is space anyway :shock: :lol: Explain that one!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wow...I'm really impressed that you explained that so well. I think I understand the basic idea :P

[indy500fan]

Anyway, it's all moot, because according to Einstein, time is space anyway :shock: :lol: Explain that one!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

that is exactly why he considered time the 4th dimension, because space is time. an item could be measured by inch x inch x inch x second, and instead of getting the volume, or area, you get the amount of space-time it is.

[runesmithie]

 

Anyway, it's all moot, because according to Einstein, time is space anyway :shock: :lol: Explain that one!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

that is exactly why he considered time the 4th dimension, because space is time. an item could be measured by inch x inch x inch x second, and instead of getting the volume, or area, you get the amount of space-time it is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe it would have been an easier transition to the 4th dimension if we said

 

 

 

10 inches past the foot

 

 

 

or 10 centimeters past the meter (for you odd metricians)

[Aldeon]

I look at it as we are 3 dimensional beings in a 4th dimensional world(or higher). We're not of the 4th but we are in it the same way a square is not of the 3rd dimension but is in it, which is in the 4th, and so on. We have power over our own dimensions and i supposed you could say lesser yet we dont have any over the 4th yet were in it. I dont think time itself is exactly the 4th dimension (its hard to grasp the concept, same way as its hard to grasp infinity, or eternity) and time is just the effect of us passing through the 4th dimension. Now 5th i have no clue about

[Drift_In_Blood]

SOMEONE CALL THE COPS! SOMEONE'S SMOKING CRACK!!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, just, no.. dimensiony stuff pl0x? it hurts my small brain :(

[Mr_Putter]

 

lol I just spent about 5 min trying to explain it and realized its darn near impossible. I just kind of accept it on faith that time is the fourth dimension. :lol:

 

 

 

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Alright, here's my lil explanation:

 

 

 

The way I think of it is like this: picture a cylinder. It has length, width and depth (3 dimensions). If you take a cross section, you now just have length and width. These two dimensions are frozen somewhere in the third.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Going up a level... Put that cylinder in your basement for a week. Now it is a three dimensional object moving along through time. If you look at it for one instant alone, it only has the standard three dimensions. But those three dimensions have a place somewhere within the week. That one instant is like a cross section of time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Given that little analogy type thingy, time is the fourth dimension.

 

 

 

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Well, I'm not sure that I understand it either, but that's sorta close. :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, it's all moot, because according to Einstein, time is space anyway :shock: :lol: Explain that one!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wow...I'm really impressed that you explained that so well. I think I understand the basic idea :P

Indeed, that does give me some info. Not enough to truly understand it, but enough to get it you know? Thanks. But how can there be something other than time?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit- I just did about half hour or reading on Wikipedia about spacetime, and space, and time, and relativity. I could only understand the earliest stuff, before they get into all the theories that are indecipherable, but what I understood was mad cool. Then I started reading about multiverses, universes, Big Bang, Big Crunch...And then I realized I was drooling all over my shirt. I wish the Physics program at my school was better :(.

[indy500fan]

Maybe it would have been an easier transition to the 4th dimension if we said

 

 

 

10 inches past the foot

 

 

 

or 10 centimeters past the meter (for you odd metricians)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

youre talking about on a clock right?

 

 

 

because if so, that would be a good idea, but when the 4th dimension time theory was discovered (did einstein discover it? i think he did), we had already been using clocks with hours and minutes and stuff for a long, long, time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit- I just did about half hour or reading on Wikipedia about spacetime, and space, and time, and relativity. I could only understand the earliest stuff, before they get into all the theories that are indecipherable, but what I understood was mad cool. Then I started reading about multiverses, universes, Big Bang, Big Crunch...And then I realized I was drooling all over my shirt. I wish the Physics program at my school was better Sad.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

it fun to read, even if you dont understand it :lol: . i also read that hyperspace book (by michael kaku) someone else mentioned, but i didnt understand a lot of it. but me and my phony class studied theoretical physics a lot, so i used to understand a lot of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i do have one question about big bang and big crunch. i thought time and infinity through one day, and i decided that there hasnt been one big bang, and going to be one big crunch, but there are an infinite amount of them. does any other theoretical physicist think this? and if they never thought about it, who do i tell? :lol: anyways, a little diagram to try to follow my thought process:

 

 

 

 

 

 

might not explain it very well, but there it is :D

[runesmithie]

Tetraspace >.>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's a pretty informative site... it even has stuff like war in 2 dimensions and etc :D

[anonimu]

Maybe it would have been an easier transition to the 4th dimension if we said

 

 

 

10 inches past the foot

 

 

 

or 10 centimeters past the meter (for you odd metricians)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

huh? 10 inches past the foot? are you talking bout clocks?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit- I just did about half hour or reading on Wikipedia about spacetime, and space, and time, and relativity. I could only understand the earliest stuff, before they get into all the theories that are indecipherable, but what I understood was mad cool. Then I started reading about multiverses, universes, Big Bang, Big Crunch...And then I realized I was drooling all over my shirt. I wish the Physics program at my school was better Sad.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you live in like South America? Or Africa? I fell sorry for you...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i do have one question about big bang and big crunch. i thought time and infinity through one day, and i decided that there hasnt been one big bang, and going to be one big crunch, but there are an infinite amount of them. does any other theoretical physicist think this? and if they never thought about it, who do i tell? :lol: anyways, a little diagram to try to follow my thought process:

 

 

 

 

 

 

might not explain it very well, but there it is :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's true... but how did the first big bang start? Maybe there's a region of the universe where time is reversed (you see the effect before the cause)... So the thing that created the universe created itself by creating the thing that created it, the one that was created by it. But that still doesn't explain why time is not reversed here... Maybe after the universe was created by its creation the forces created reversed gravity...

[Necromagus]

When you try drawing this out on paper, it just doesn't add up. Connecting two points creates a line, connecting two lines creates a plane, connecting two planes creates a space, but connecting two spaces only seems to create a larger space. As far as human perception of the physical world goes, we can't 'see' beyond that yet, we can only theorize. Our brains are just barely able to percieve the passing of time, and not very clearly at that. We can only theorize what lies beyond there.

[anonimu]

When you try drawing this out on paper, it just doesn't add up. Connecting two points creates a line, connecting two lines creates a plane, connecting two planes creates a space, but connecting two spaces only seems to create a larger space. As far as human perception of the physical world goes, we can't 'see' beyond that yet, we can only theorize. Our brains are just barely able to percieve the passing of time, and not very clearly at that. We can only theorize what lies beyond there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok... look... there's only 1 space in 3d... only 1 space... there's an infinite amount of lines, points and planes, but only 1 space...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So when you draw 2 spaces you draw the same space but with a different time value...

[bjbj1991]

i believe string theory has up to 26 dimensions

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

string has 10 but M theory has an 11th. and the 11th is full of membranes floating around then when the membranes crash into each other they make a new universe (if they sepreate would that mean that the universe goes poof?)

 

 

 

 

 

 

^ 6th dimension objects in 2d space(i think)

 

 

 

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