Dracae Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Please re-investigate the idea you had on selling us a security-dongle.With or without extra bankspace I would gladly pay for one now.This is not my idea, a friend brought it up, and I thought it was very smart. 2 interconnected reasons. ----------------------- 1- Free trade made transferring wealth out of hacked accounts a lot easier, and because of that the incentive to hack ppl just increased a lot. Ppl who played before 07 know hacking was a lot more prevalent. ----------------------- 2- Advancing technology seems to make hacking easier, protecting from it harder. Lately several of my clan mates have been hacked.I still believe the vast majority of ppl being hacked get done so by someone obtaining pw from the player, or by looking them type, shared computer.. etc.But these stories sounded less like that was the case. I know several computer experts who tell me there is many leaks that could be used.-A mayor mail program who's pw can be cracked by a program bought online in 3 hours.-An up and coming browser that can be cloned by only having the users ip-address.-An other browser told us lately to disable a tool-bar from an other big compagny because it could be used to remote-view others computers.-Then there is a few holes in Jagex pw protection, they tell me. ( they also say its not all Jagex fault, some is almost unavoidable ) I am of course not naming names,nor telling you what the security holes are. ------------------------- I know there is ways to at least protect somewhat, by .. basically.. being smart. - Good security software, firewall- A good pw, changed often.- Not going to other sites, including clan and help forums.( they can then see your ip )- Not share mail address with anyone. But.. this game is also a social game, and ppl like clans.. they like fan sites, they like social media.. To me the best solution is the security dongle that Jagex considered a wile ago. A few comments: - This is not a thread against free trade, just one trying to deal with some of the unavoidable fallout to an update that I will enjoy. - For as far as I understand this security dongle, it is a device that HAS to be plugged in an usb drive of your computer , or else you can not log in to the game.So.. It works like my bank, for online banking I need to have my cell handy or it won't work.Seems the best security we can have on this game! - This will also make account sharing, or being accused of such wile not having done it a lot less likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toad Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 My account is secure enough, let's go one step further, my computer is secure enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low C Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I've never been hacked but I'm sure if it happened I'd be interested in buying a dongle like WOW offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuidesForScapers Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Stupid people will be stupid, no form of security can prevent their stupidity having concequences. Legalize baby punching. Tax and regulate it. Punch babies erry day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wessan Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Dongle? What are you talk about? When you say that I think of a item on my friend's keychain he uses to log in to his online poker account. It changes his password every minute and so at any given time his password changes unless he is logged in to his poker account. Is this what you are talking about? If so, I would probably get one granted it was less than $10 after shipping, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krampell Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Yes Wessan.Didn't they release it before? Or did they just come up with it as an idea that would be good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaosoffar Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Yes Wessan.Didn't they release it before? Or did they just come up with it as an idea that would be good?They scrapped the idea i guess due to flack over people thinking it was a money making scheme of theirs. Think they said at the time they might make it available somehow yet but nothing's ever happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunokiller Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I'd buy one tbh. My blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracae Posted January 28, 2011 Author Share Posted January 28, 2011 I wonder about all the people thinking there computer is secure enough.Mine has paid for highly rated security software, I use a non-standard browser, I never give my pw to anyone..etc.. etc.. BUT , with the 5 years I spend on my account, getting every xp, every coin myself.. I think spending a little money to even take the last little bit of risk out would be worth it. I am specially thinking of the huge holes that sometimes appear in software from major and trusted companies.My browser told me to disable skype's tool-bar, because with it others could literally see your screen, because of a bug.How ever smart or careful I am, that kind of problems is unavoidable .. I would go one step further, if Jagex wanted to put a little piece of software in this dongle to check my pc for macros I would really want that also.. just to avoid being falsely accused.. but I am sure there is a lot of ppl who would object to this, so I didn't include it. ps. on a totally unrelated note..well.. not totally.. it still bugs me to see I made 17 posts.. when I made 100's before tip-its forums crashed.. lol I like keeping stuff I built up, even on some website.. and that history being gone bugged me so I quit coming to tip.it for a wile.My rs account is also a piece of history.. lol..But I am sure I am way to philosophical for a lot of ppl here.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirIzenhime Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 I think I'm fine without it. Fisher/Woodcut------Me-----Miner/crafter----Stabber----Leecher ^Golvellius must be so proud^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krampell Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 If it's cheap and you get like bank space with it like someone wanted, I'd buy one.You never know when something happens, even if the chances are slim no nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracae Posted January 28, 2011 Author Share Posted January 28, 2011 I think I'm fine without it. Can you explain, why you think you are immune to the problems I listed ? Maybe I can learn.. lol.. TX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omali Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Blizzard offers a web security app for free for handheld devices and their physical dongle has been insanely successful. If jagex created a free app as an alternative to a paid device, they could do just as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samaster Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Personally I would love one, not because I'm "stupid" or my computer is not secure but because I think its a very good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirkka Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 I would buy one just to be that one bit safer, even though my computer is near impenetrable. 40,919th person to access Turmoil. 21,559th person to access Overloads. Are there any hidden bonuses here? No bonuses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wkw Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 First of all, learn how to capitalize and type properly. Is it REALLY so hard to type "people" instead of "ppl"? It is a three letters extra! I would not buy one. 10-25 bankspace is not much. If they gave you 100 extra slots, or some other bonus that was actually good, I would consider it.But as it was said earlier, my computer is secure. I use MS S.Essentials for live protection and a whole slew of other programs for ondamand scanning.Keeping a computer safe is fairly easy as long as you aren't someone who doesn't think twice about clicking links. Runescape player since 2005 Ego Sum Deus Quo Malum Caligo et Barathum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracae Posted January 29, 2011 Author Share Posted January 29, 2011 Thanks for the reactions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirIzenhime Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I think I'm fine without it. Can you explain, why you think you are immune to the problems I listed ? Maybe I can learn.. lol.. TX. Because I am.I've never had problems with it, I don't think I will now. Fisher/Woodcut------Me-----Miner/crafter----Stabber----Leecher ^Golvellius must be so proud^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairness Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 First off, I do not understand the word "reasonable". State an exact price, else I cannot and will not answer this poll. Secondly, refer to my first point. You're being watched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracae Posted January 31, 2011 Author Share Posted January 31, 2011 First off, I do not understand the word "reasonable". State an exact price, else I cannot and will not answer this poll. Secondly, refer to my first point. No, lol, that is a personal thing. I would pay 20 incl sending, but I am sure a lot off ppl would not go higher then 5 or 10 bucks.The word reasonable is to exclude price from the issue and discuss this regardless.So if you think 2 bucks is reasonable, then assume it is that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairness Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 First off, I do not understand the word "reasonable". State an exact price, else I cannot and will not answer this poll. Secondly, refer to my first point. No, lol, that is a personal thing. I would pay 20 incl sending, but I am sure a lot off ppl would not go higher then 5 or 10 bucks.The word reasonable is to exclude price from the issue and discuss this regardless.So if you think 2 bucks is reasonable, then assume it is that.. But that's pointless. It's like asking "Would you agree to buy the security dongle for the price you would agree to buy it for?" That's equally pointless. We can only get an accurate representation if we say that it would cost, for example, $5, so that we could see how much of the voters would shell out that $5. That's a poll worth conducting. You're being watched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownRemoval Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 I would be very interested in this, also willing to pay up to $20-30 or so for it. If this would remove any uncertainty I have about the security of my account, then it is worth the price. Retired Crew Member | Retired RuneScape Player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuidesForScapers Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 It is quite funny to me that people think a security dongle will improve the safety of their account. Rule number 1 of the hackers guide book: If there is something preventing you hacking, find a way around it. If it is updated, find a new way around it. Crypters are available that can, in 10 seconds or less, make a malicious file that is detected by most/all anti-virus softwares undetectable. Crypters are very, very easy to come by if you know where to look (the first site that any starter hacker would come across). People even offer crypting services for $1 or $2. 2- Advancing technology seems to make hacking easier, protecting from it harder. Lately several of my clan mates have been hacked.I still believe the vast majority of ppl being hacked get done so by someone obtaining pw from the player, or by looking them type, shared computer.. etc.But these stories sounded less like that was the case. I know several computer experts who tell me there is many leaks that could be used.-A mayor mail program who's pw can be cracked by a program bought online in 3 hours.-An up and coming browser that can be cloned by only having the users ip-address.-An other browser told us lately to disable a tool-bar from an other big compagny because it could be used to remote-view others computers.-Then there is a few holes in Jagex pw protection, they tell me. ( they also say its not all Jagex fault, some is almost unavoidable ) I am of course not naming names,nor telling you what the security holes are. I am 99% certain that the top causes of Runescape accounts being hacked is either people trying to download paid bots for free and getting infected or people trying to access private servers and going on a site that uses a java drive-by to infect them (automatically downloads and runs a program once a java applet is accepted). The first one is easy to avoid, don't be stupid enough to download non-existent things to do something that will get you banned anyway. The second one, just don't be an idiot and go on a private server. I underestand why people would use private servers, and i don't think any less of them for doing so (it's their life, just because i don't doesn't mean other people shouldn't) but if you google "rs private server" and go around accepting every java applet under the sun you are going to get an infection sooner or later. Regardless of how "legit" of a site it seems to be. If you meant major instead of mayor, i think i know what you are talking about. But you don't even need a program to do it, it can just be done through the sites password recovery system. No idea what you are on about with the web browser part, doesn't seem to make any sense to me. Runescape's password protection system is practically flawless, other than being able to remove an email address without access to it... If you set up your account securely it will be secure. If you don't, it won't. A security dongle would not change a single thing, especially if it is a paid luxury. If Jagex genuinely cared about the safety of their users they would offer a free download on the website. A dongle does nothing more than any software could. Legalize baby punching. Tax and regulate it. Punch babies erry day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunokiller Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 A dongle does nothing more than any software could.Why then do loads of banks supply them? I find it hard to believe they are that stupid. My blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuidesForScapers Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 A dongle does nothing more than any software could.Why then do loads of banks supply them? I find it hard to believe they are that stupid.Banks aren't stupid, they are just trying to make it more simple for the computer-illiterate customers. Legalize baby punching. Tax and regulate it. Punch babies erry day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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