I'm going to be dunging to get chaotic crossbow for tds but I'm not sure if I should get the long as well.

 

I already have rapier, should I bother?

No, if you get another weapon get a maul. Unless you have a divine, then a CLS is worth it for bandos solos.

No, if you get another weapon get a maul. Unless you have a divine, then a CLS is worth it for bandos solos.

This 100%. Maul and Rapier>CLS in almost every situation.

I was just thinking, with staking back wont the C long be more useful?

In armoured melee stakes the C long would be the ultimate weapon surely?

 

Just a thought.

I was just thinking, with staking back wont the C long be more useful?

In armoured melee stakes the C long would be the ultimate weapon surely?

 

Just a thought.

Nobody does armoured melee stakes really.

I was just thinking, with staking back wont the C long be more useful?

In armoured melee stakes the C long would be the ultimate weapon surely?

 

Just a thought.

Rapier still beats longsword imo

I was just thinking, with staking back wont the C long be more useful?

In armoured melee stakes the C long would be the ultimate weapon surely?

 

Just a thought.

Nobody does armoured melee stakes really.

 

Ahhh...

 

And thats about the only type of staking i could see myself enjoying :sad:, on well.

I was just thinking, with staking back wont the C long be more useful?

In armoured melee stakes the C long would be the ultimate weapon surely?

 

Just a thought.

Rapier still beats longsword imo

 

Rarely? Even vs 99 def, trova, divine, etc?

I was just thinking, with staking back wont the C long be more useful?

In armoured melee stakes the C long would be the ultimate weapon surely?

 

Just a thought.

Rapier still beats longsword imo

 

Rarely? Even vs 99 def, trova, divine, etc?

Nah, longsword is better than rapier if you're using it on say, full torva.

 

On a fully armored staker (as opposed to a high def monster, since most high def monsters are weak to stab)

the longsword would be about 4% better damage rate than rapier.

This 4% difference however, does NOT increase with increasing armor. Once you get to a certain armor point, LS is always roughly 4% better. But never much more than 4% better.

 

On a fully armored staker, a chaotic maul deals damage 10% faster than a longsword, and ~14% faster than a rapier.

So once again, chaotic maul wins in this scenario unless you think a shield can justify losing 10% damage rate

I was just thinking, with staking back wont the C long be more useful?

In armoured melee stakes the C long would be the ultimate weapon surely?

 

Just a thought.

Rapier still beats longsword imo

 

Rarely? Even vs 99 def, trova, divine, etc?

Nah, longsword is better than rapier if you're using it on say, full torva.

 

On a fully armored staker (as opposed to a high def monster, since most high def monsters are weak to stab)

the longsword would be about 4% better damage rate than rapier.

This 4% difference however, does NOT increase with increasing armor. Once you get to a certain armor point, LS is always roughly 4% better. But never much more than 4% better.

 

On a fully armored staker, a chaotic maul deals damage 10% faster than a longsword, and ~14% faster than a rapier.

So once again, chaotic maul wins in this scenario unless you think a shield can justify losing 10% damage rate

Out of curiosity, are these numbers with or without defender? If without, divine reduces opponent's damage rate by 30% to reduce yours by 10%, so sounds like a win to me. I'm not sure any other shield would be worthwhile though.

 

Someone mentioned CLS > rapier for Bandos, which is false. Even with a shield, the two weapons are absurdly similar. However, the rapier wins hands down when you have to anticrash with the d defender you should be bringing in your inventory. CLS can't compete with rapier in a crash/anticrash scenario.

+ Minis, the rapier saves health by allowing you to kill minis faster (ssing the same but faster, taking less hits).

crashing/anti-crashing is useless to take into consideration now, considering any world is basically coinshare now if you go with trustworthy friends :thumbsup:

crashing/anti-crashing is useless to take into consideration now, considering any world is basically coinshare now if you go with trustworthy friends :thumbsup:

...Not really? Say you and your friend are doing duo FFA with cls and defender, and then a guy comes in max gear and rapier + defender. You and your friend are now screwed, because the other guy's going to be getting the majority of the drops.