Waterfiends are weak to crush... Rapier time!

[Hedgehog]

That's the nature of runescape research.

 

Everyone wants it to be done, but no one actually does it.

[Ambler]

Ill get some hit/ miss data for about 1000 kills if I can get my account back from my dad (Don't ask) Recently got elite void, though I don't have imbued rings, however I will try to test rap + maul out. Ill bring a ticker to track kill numbers, and note the hits/ misses myself... (I guess I'll use overloads, got plenty spare :lol: )

Ill get apic of my gear setups when Icn.

[enfield]

aw your intentions seem so great! :mrgreen: (i'll let someone else correct your data collection methods, but they appear good to me; i just don't want to go on record as saying that).

[Powerfrog]

Speaking of data collecting methods. Is there any easy way to note down hit and miss rates? Like an automatic external tool? (Not one that inputs anything to the game, one that just "watches", like the ones in WoW.)

 

If not... would xp gained be a suitable alternative? Start with 0 xp counter and an hour later check it? This should only be melee/constitution xp so i don't see why it wouldn't work.

[Ambler]

So it would be

(Total xp gained-(scroll exp of famil*scrolls used)/ exp gained for 1 wf)

Rounded down due to health renewal.

Can be used to work out your kills over time

[Hedgehog]

Speaking of data collecting methods. Is there any easy way to note down hit and miss rates? Like an automatic external tool? (Not one that inputs anything to the game, one that just "watches", like the ones in WoW.)

 

If not... would xp gained be a suitable alternative? Start with 0 xp counter and an hour later check it? This should only be melee/constitution xp so i don't see why it wouldn't work.

 

Gui, Add, Button, gHit x2 y2 w70 h50 , Hit
Gui, Add, Button, gMiss x72 y2 w70 h50 , Miss
Gui +alwaysontop +ToolWindow
Gui, Show, w144 h54, Hit/Miss
return

F1::
Hit:
Hit++
Total++
return

F2::
Miss:
Miss++
Total++
return

F10::

Gui 2: Add, Text, x2 y2 w30 h20 , Hits:
Gui 2: Add, Edit, x38 y2 w40 h20 , %Hit%
Gui 2: Add, Text, x2 y22 w34 h20 , Misses:
Gui 2: Add, Edit, x38 y22 w40 h20 , %Miss%
Gui 2: Add, Text, x2 y42 w30 h20 , Total:
Gui 2: Add, Edit, x38 y42 w40 h20 , %Total%
Gui 2: Show, w112 h75, Data
return


GuiClose:
ExitApp

 

For the actual testing, don't use a rapier/maul. Use a stab/crush weapon that gets you as close as possible to 50% accuracy. Then you'll only need ~1k data points. Make sure you include all relevant information; level, equipment bonus, prayers, void bonus, etc.

[Powerfrog]

So it would be

(Total xp gained-(scroll exp of famil*scrolls used)/ exp gained for 1 wf)

Rounded down due to health renewal.

Can be used to work out your kills over time

I'd personally be using bunyip so didn't think about summoning xp.

 

An easier way around that is to just note down your melee style of choice's starting xp and ending xp. Then you can be sure the only xp you track is from combat with waterfiends. Plus it's probably slightly more accurate.

[Hedgehog]

Actual hit/miss data is better for determining wfs defense ratings, which is what we want to do. So don't track your xp.

[Powerfrog]

Actual hit/miss data is better for determining wfs defense ratings, which is what we want to do. So don't track your xp.

Surely you'd just find out the average xp of a hit and find out the accuracy from that.

 

I'd be willing to collect hit/miss if there was an easier way to do it. I'm not going to physically keep track of every single hit as i play though.

[Hedgehog]

Actual hit/miss data is better for determining wfs defense ratings, which is what we want to do. So don't track your xp.

Surely you'd just find out the average xp of a hit and find out the accuracy from that.

 

I'd be willing to collect hit/miss if there was an easier way to do it. I'm not going to physically keep track of every single hit as i play though.

Average xp/hit is easy to determine. But you have to account for things like overkill. That makes your method very inaccurate. Counting each hit isn't as bad as it sounds.

[haimonek]

I've seen many people using zammy spear too in stab mode. I found it strange at 1st but they were killing at the same pace as me with approx the same gear.

 

Crush probably helps but isn't necesarry anymore I guess. :P

[Ambler]

I think the people us a zs in stab mode may have been bots, whose owners failed to check the attack styles. :wall:

(Possibly setting the Dramen staff to defensive, and the Zammy spear auto-swapped it to defensive also when the bot swaps to it? Idk)

Would it be against the rules to make a Programme that "spies" on Rs and checks for hits/ misses? Just wondering. :unsure:

[Quyneax]

You can't interact with the game code, but just saving the information should be OK.

[Hedgehog]

I could make a script that searches for either a red hit splat, or a blue miss splat, but it'd log other player's hits/misses too, so you'd have to be alone.

 

Edit: It'd log the waterfiends hits/misses too, so it wouldn't work.

[Ambler]

Would there be a way to ignore the area the player stans in, andonly search a certain area?

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>[]<

/\

 

Ignoring the [] and searching arrows? Would have to be aspecific camera angle though. :unsure:

[Hedgehog]

In my slayer script, you drag a window over the search area. You could do this, then drag another window over the do not search area, then have it ignore pixels that are located within the 2nd window. It'd only work at a few camera angles, and would be pretty cumbersome to write, and it'd probably be much easier just to use the script I posted earlier.

[Quyneax]

I'm no expert but you could record an hour or two at waterfiends and analyse that (with a program or otherwise). The chaos tunnels are mostly empty so if you can filter out the waterfiends' attacks the rest is easy.

[Hedgehog]

You mean like making a video and analyzing that?

[Ambler]

Im not sure if I could survive at waterfiends without Virtus and brews, which would skew the results a fair amount. :lol:

I could makea video easily enough afterthis holiday, four 15 minute clips with rapier then another 4 with Maul? Considering that I'mnot maxed melees, and might get an attack level in there somewhere, I will probably end up using defensive. :wall:

(I guess I could get 98 attack before this so Iam only one level off the max in att and str? Less than 200k off lst time I checked)

[Hedgehog]

For the actual testing, don't use a rapier/maul. Use a stab/crush weapon that gets you as close as possible to 50% accuracy. Then you'll only need ~1k data points. Make sure you include all relevant information; level, equipment bonus, prayers, void bonus, etc.

[Ambler]

Fair enough. Zammy spear for Crush and Stab, or a Korasi for stab, could the special attack factored in?

[Hedgehog]

I'd use a korasi for stab and a dmace or something for crush. Adjust if they're too accurate/inaccurate. And idk why you'd count the spec, since it's magic not stab.

[Ambler]

Isnt the korasi spec luck based? :unsure:

Brb new thread about Koarsi specs accuracy?

Need another person with access to HYT clans battlefield, and a spec/hp restore portal thingy.

[Powerfrog]

Isnt the korasi spec luck based? :unsure:

Brb new thread about Koarsi specs accuracy?

Need another person with access to HYT clans battlefield, and a spec/hp restore portal thingy.

Luck based? It's just as luck based as any other weapon in runescape (Or less so, as accuracy doesn't come into the equation.)

 

It hits 50-150% of your max hit, averaging a regular max hit per spec, and never misses. (Talk about overpowered amiright?)

 

 

So... 100% accurate special should NOT be counted in an accuracy testing experiment >.>

 

...Although dragon claws VS Korasi for special on waterfiends may be interesting. Dragon claws seem fairly accurate (80%ish) in my experience so it's going to be a close one.

[Ambler]

I mainly meant how magic defense affected the special, not general accuracy.