Investigating the Wise Old Man

[Randox]

Never mind, i guess i will make it to meeting, tip.it forgot the timezones in North Americal are an hour ahead I think so the event is still after the meeting, which I belive is in 1 hour and 40 minutes. Yay ill make a meeting!

[bloody_scife]

World 61 is really laggy, at least for me. I don't know if I will be able to come today, but I'll keep trying.

[Randox]

maby I wont make it. World 61 lagging to unplayable for my poorlaptop and my good computer blew its mother board (it never lags much on any world I swear). So unless cooling the laptop works im out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: cooling succesful im on my way

[KCHughes]

Never mind, I made it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

OK, we brought up a few points today. We didn't really get into the dragonkin, but we now think that maybe the dragonkin are the same as the elder dragons mentioned in WOM's book. We'll look into this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We got into Armadyl a little. Since Armadyl lost his staff when Zamorak's followers got it, we thought that Armadyl had lost his power. I did some research, and Armadyl was supposed to be as powerful as Zaros, which is really powerful. We thought, possibly that WOM was Armadyl trying to reclaim his power, but we're unsure.

[Xewleer]

Amandyl's followers still have the staff. Lucien, a Zamorackian, wants it for Zamorack but requires an adventure's help in getting it. The staff could be sent to Lucien, and you side with evil (for the quest) or let it lie or whatever (dont remember) basically. Zamorack doesn't have it... thats all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Amandyl is gone, don't know where.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, Zaros, being cat, was the other half of the Ying/Yang (Amandyl being the White part, Zaros the black) and those two being the only real powers for a long time, Balance was maintained. I still think that Zaors, even however slightly, is still a power, like Sauron when he lost the One Ring, not able to take human form, he became an eye of flame, (aside, I believe that Sauron also possessed Saruman to a small degree) Zaros did the same. With his human, physical body destroyed, he sought a host, a hero, a strong man... Robert the Strong? Cats are associated with him (just what I hear and see) and he could have become one.

[KCHughes]

If that's correct, then it's plausible that Armadyl is also seeking a physical host, like WOM.

[Xewleer]

No, I think that Amandyl is alive and Physical, in his (hopefully) origional body... He could be up *north* with the other majharrat who are gathered there. Zaros is the variable, for all our combined thinking... we still can't figure him out (I'm referring to other investigations I and other people long out of the RS scene tried to do a couple years ago) So we an never truly rule Zaros out of our thoughts. Remember, The WOM did mention Zaros in one of his letters, (the Abott?) so Zaros still has some effect on this world especially in the desert. where there is rumor that Zaros has ideas for the Kalphite Queen (remember, WOM killed it once) Also, his champion Azzandra, who is immortal in his own right, only stopped by separating his life essences to the far corners of the globe. Their could be a link still between WOM and Zaros.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Zaros could also be using Bob as a transient host. Someone, someone with a lot of experience in magics, Has Wise in their name...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gotta log off! See you all tomorrow.

[Randox]

Hopefully by the time of next weeks meeting I will have figured out what the elder dragons are and what the dragon kin are exactly, and see if KBD is involved. I'm also going to brush up on my runescape gods and see if any of the other ones could be involved. Its nice to have something to do again.

[moonman190]

 

Anyway, on topic- what if there is a Free to Play Quest which involves exploring the ruins of the old Wizard Tower? Maybe that will reveal the truth behind what the Wise Old Man wants? I have a feeling that something of Zamorak lurks beneath, and that the Wise Old Man must destroy it, even if it means the death of loads of people. That would explain the bank robbery- he needed special runes to get into this old Wizard Tower! But he must not have found these special runes, so he has to steal them off the Wizard's! And maybe he has those tinderboxes to blow this thing of Zamorak's to smithereens!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay, I think I got too excited. :oops:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That was Rune Mysteries, and in the basement there was a skull in an isolated room, and when you picked it up a skeleton magically appeared. You had to use the skull for something, I can't remember.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He, the W.O.M., is dumb and empty minded enough to allow the ring of charos work on him. Although he unlocked it and said the empty-minded ones can be fooled, he can too.

 

 

 

And I was serious about the penguin thing. I mean, how could this nice, kindly old man turn into a deranged, bank robbing maniac, bent on destroying something in the Wizard's Tower? I think the thing on his desk, the "transport" as he believes it to be, is some kind of blimp that penguins can fly. They're the only things small enough to fit on it, right? Maybe penguins have been slowly staging an escape from the Penguin Island and they're hiding themselves among Runescape in preparation for a large-scale attack? Maybe in the course of these preparations, a penguin transport went down and WOM found it and put it on his desk. Maybe there was still a penguin in the transport.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Penguins have had tons of time on their little island to build an advanced society, possibly with superior brain capacities that allow them to control people's minds. When WOM found the transport, there was probably a single survivor of the crash, who used its mind control to force the WOM to hide it in his house. To gain materials for their attack, the penguin is controlling WOM to get players to get supplies for the penguin attack.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Think about this: The man sacked the Draynor Bank, and all he did was cover some things in gold? What do gold bars cost, about 700 gps? An entire bank probably had about 20-30 million gps in there, that couldn't have been all he used the money on. Perhaps most of the money went back to the penguins, who are using it to buy more materials for their conquest, or to pay the members who do errands for WOM (actually the penguins).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also consider this: When you're a member and you do errands for WOM (actually the penguins), sometimes he'll give you a bunch of runes. Why would somebody who is running short of runes, as he claims, give out lots of free runes to people who run errands for him? Perhaps he doesn't realize that the penguins are using his runes to pay players, and he thinks he's just running low? It's possible that every so often there's a lapse in the mind control where WOM goes back to normal, and maybe that's when he asks members to "kill the monster under his bed," which is actually a penguin hiding, and WOM is asking the player to free him from mind control...

[KCHughes]

He could be up *north* with the other majharrat who are gathered there..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Armadyl was not a Majharrat, I believe. He's the god of purity, and he's pretty close to Saradomin.

[Randox]

KC is correct about Armadyl. Hes even more of a good guy than saradomin is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It would seem that most information about the gods Zaros and Armadyl comes from Armadyl and Saradomin being friends. Zamorack still fears Zaros, and I think it resonable to assume that if Zaros came back at full power, he could possibly defeat Zamorack.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Zaros is also the 'God of Ancient Magics', his symbol is a circle around an eqidistant(sp?) cross, the symbol on the ancient magic staff.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was also supprised to find out the ectofunctus is a God

[Xewleer]

I knew that the ectofungus was powerful... but godlike, no he's more of a patron deity thing, rather than a full blown god.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Amandyl is assumed to be majharrat, as he is (rumor) Saradomin's brother, he is the opposite of Zaros. That could be the reason why the staff of Amandyl was so important in Zamorack becoming a god. You are right with he ancient magic stuff, but I thought it was assumed because you get Ancient magics at HIS alter... anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From what I can tell, all majharrat are going at least north. I submit that Amandyl is not truly accounted for (Saradomin does say that he is alive) neither Runehq or Zybez give a definite answer!!! Hazeel goes north to white wolf mountain. The two majharrat/deities went north to fight. Zaros' and others (from letter by Azzandra) are north. but what they are doing? Pking, of course... no I'm kidding, but still, remember, we still don't know a lot of stuff about the RS deity system, even if we can name the gods!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I spent about 3 months trying to research the mysteries behind Zaros.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Zaros is opposite Amandyl, He could take any of the gods one on one, but the three major ones together can defeat him, and they will. One of the only reason why Zaros hasn't tried is that even if he could defeat two of them... Guthix would come in and beat him because it would put the balance to evil, an evil beyond Zamorack because Amandyl does not seem to be active in RS proper. Besides, they may have defeated Zaros already...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Zamorack was Zaros' general or something similar. In the Ghost cloak thing, we discover that Zamorack coveted Zaros' position. With the help of some loyal humans and majharrat, he fought his way to Zaros and stabbed him, but Zaros fell (or whatever, not entirely clear) on him, stabbing Zamorack. You know the rest, a portion of Zaros' power went to Zamorack, not all of it, or even a large amount, but enough.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Amandyl, I believe was a majharrat, and there is nothing to say against it, but plenty to hint for it!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's my two cents for now.

[Randox]

True the Ectofunctus is a veary minor God, but a God none the less. It/he is the god of the undead.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Saradomin - God of: good, strenth, wisdom, peace, order, pleasentry.

 

 

 

motto - strenth through wisdom

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Guthix - God of: balance and Nature

 

 

 

motto - Balance is power

 

 

 

of the 3 main Gods oinly Guthix does not reqire worship to remain in Runscape as he draws his power from th eplanet itself

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Zamorack - God of: chaos, evil, destruction, and darkness (not of death!)

 

 

 

motto - Strenth through chaos

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Armadyl - Thought to be the God of purity, but this is unconfirmed.

 

 

 

Friend of Saradomin. Saradomin has said Armadyl is in good physical health wherever he/she/it is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Zaros (empty lord) - Thought by many to be the God of Pure evil, but this is unconfirmed. Just because he fought with Armadyl dose not make him Evil. We won't know for sure until he returns (if he does). Also the God of Ancient magics.

 

 

 

Enemy of Zamorack (Zamorack also fears Zaros)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Seren - Godds of the elves. Lead the Elves to Gielinor through a wordgate. Is present in all crystal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Elidines - A godes belonging to the "Menaphite Pantheon". Bound 3 spirts to the river Elid (the spirits have poiwer over the river).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Marimbo - God of the Monkeys

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ectofunctus - God of the Undead

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Demi-Gods

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Iban - calle dht e'son of zamorack', he is not physicly related, but related, in power and morality. I think he is killed during a members quest so is of little concern.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Icthlarin - God of the dead. Known and worshiped mainly in the desert, especily Menaphos and Sophenem, can grant immortality by refusing to allow natural death (you can still be murdered though). Also former leader of the Majeraht before Zaros (yes zaros not Zamorack)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I missed a couple, including the Goddes of destruction (I think anothe rmember of the Menaphite Pantheon), but I dont think any of the ones I missed are still able to influence anything, and I'll update the list as nessasary.

[KCHughes]

I've never heard anything about Armadyl being a mahjarrat, and I've never seen any resource that can confirm it.

[Randox]

I've never heard anything about Armadyl being a mahjarrat, and I've never seen any resource that can confirm it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I havent seen any evidence of that either. Armadyl was capable of combating Zaros so he must have been prety powerful, much to powreful for a mortal.

[KCHughes]

 

I've never heard anything about Armadyl being a mahjarrat, and I've never seen any resource that can confirm it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I havent seen any evidence of that either. Armadyl was capable of combating Zaros so he must have been prety powerful, much to powreful for a mortal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's right. And if he's against Zaros, who I believe was a mahjarrat, then Armadyl probably isn't a mahjarrat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wonder if we'll find out what happened to Armadyl the same way we found out what happened to Zaros.

[Randox]

Actualy discovered something quite by accident. The banner in the basement of the wizzard tower, I hope we all rember it with that sheild symbolising varrock and symbols of saridomin. ANy way I found 2 just like it in the black knight fortress (from the quest). Me and King Wenlock went over the entire castle, we also found the swirl symbol from the rocks on the wall in the witches room in that castle.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

King Wenlock was going to google the witches cat's name. I think it was maemi.

[KCHughes]

Actualy discovered something quite by accident. The banner in the basement of the wizzard tower, I hope we all rember it with that sheild symbolising varrock and symbols of saridomin. ANy way I found 2 just like it in the black knight fortress (from the quest). Me and King Wenlock went over the entire castle, we also found the swirl symbol from the rocks on the wall in the witches room in that castle.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hmm...very interesting...I'll get back as soon as I check it out myself.

[KCHughes]

I definitely found what you said. Seems very peculiar. I don't know what to make of that. I also found something else a little strange in the tower basement. The Saradomin altar down there doesn't have a Saradomin symbol on it anywhere. All of the other altars do. This is odd.

[Randox]

Heres the pics of the banner and the symbol, so that people dont have to got here to see them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: I shall check out this mystery alter than, im also going to swing by the stones to compare the symbols.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit2: the upper symbol matches one of the standing stones perfectly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit3: your right about the alter, im going to upload a picture of it and a normal alter for comparison. I like doing things with pics!

[Randox]

More pics from randox. The one on top is a picture of the alter in the wizard tower basement, the one on the bottom is a picture of the alter in lumbrige church which is typical of a saradomin alter. Does anyone have a picture of the alter in the elf city, I know that alter also has no symbol so I want to see if it's simaler.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

These should help save people some walking time. Now to investigtate the cats name.

[Randox]

Other than the fact that there was a Typhoon named Maemi...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gender: Female

 

 

 

Origin: Japenese

 

 

 

Meaning: Honest Child or Smile of truth

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I assume King Wenlock came tot eh same conclusion I did. Maemi has no signifigance so far as google can tell us.

[Xewleer]

I didn't mean the ecto fungus wasn't a god, but was more of a patron deity, you know, sort of like god of a certain area patron deity! Icthlarin is the god of the dead, he might not be majharrat though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I still believe that Amandyl is a majharrat, why? Because Zaros and Amandyl never have been known to Fight!!! (

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, I believe there was a theory way back that the Wizard's tower was not true Saradomist. What if they turned to the black knights? No symbol on the alter, no real allignment to any god... What if they are nuetral? Guthix? Or Saradomin? Or even Zamorack. (or Amandyl, Zaros etc.) Also, Imps, I read about in the god wars section, were used to bloody the calves and heels of the other god's minions/soldiers by Zamorack! Imps are heavily associated to Zamorack! A demon general(forget the name, began th) was his right hand man(demon)!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I never much liked wizards, only use magic for teleport and alchemy. And slaying some demons.

[KCHughes]

Chew on this: I talked to the apprentice workman in the building in Falador with the furnace, and he claimed that "the Council is renovating Varrock."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And if you want, you can check out zybez for more information on Armadyl.

[Randox]

First off, I don't belive any of the gods (except zamorack) were ever majharrat, because majharrat are all mortals. Also Saradomin couldnt possibly be majharrat because he is not from frankese(sp?). Also Dragons are generaly cretures of zamorack under his control, though the elder dragons and dragon kin are likely beond his control. Also, no god was aware of Guthix untill he woke up, and as a result Guthix knows little about Zaros.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The first creatures Guthix brought to Runescape were sheep, the second were supposedly cats.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And yor right about the ectofuntus, he really is not much more than an idol, im not sure how p[owerful he is though, either way I dont see him being veary relevent.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would be willing to consider, as an altranate theory on the banner that TB@JT are lazy and didnt want to make a new banner, but i'd rather find a link if one really does exist, but I cant see why the black knights would have anything to do with saradomin when they have a chaos alter upstairs.