Investigating the Wise Old Man

[KCHughes]

(I have a question, if your allegiance lies with Zamorock then why are you siding with another god that could bring about the downfall of your god?)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I thought he like Zaros...ah well, he's Angel Eyes, he does what he wants.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Since we're onto the King of Falador now, he might not exist at all, at least right now. In the really short time that I was a member, I thought that there was some kind of rivalry between Burthorpe and Falador about who was to be the next king of Asgarnia. Burthorpe has a prince, who might be next in the line of succession, but there may be another candidate for King that is being supported by the White Knights, which is why there is so much dispute among them. The king probably died a long time ago and his sucessor still hasn't been decided. Can any member confirm?

[1alebcay]

Hum... If so than that might explain why the WOM is keeping such close tabs on the black knights. If he was to become king than that would be one of the biggest isues to face. (I'm not even saying that that is what is going on, it is a possibility.) That could also explain why he robbed the bank. If he was going to become a god he wouldn't need money because he could just summon things and then hi alk them. If he was going to become a king he would need money, and since he can't tax the people yet he has to find some other way to earn money.

[KCHughes]

^He may not need money as a god, but to become one he may need some, for bribing his followers/employing workers to arm his army/buy a temple, etc.

[Xewleer]

Would King Wenlock and 1alebcay stop sniping at each other... please!?!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, there is a big rivalry twixt the Burthope black guards and the white knights. The crown prince is supposedly in Burthope, but he isn't accessible. Also, there is a whiteknight watching the Hero's guild, I thnk that he is supposed to be in Burthope, spying on the prince, but really, he's gaping at the heroes guild doorkeep (well, she is hot considering graphics)

 

 

 

...Anyway... I thnk that the troubles of Asgarnian line of succession is not connected to the WOM, mostly. But I have been wrong on this post before. Since we know that the Wom has for sure been north west, we can assume that he is somewhat proficient/knowledgeable of, Lunar magics (Dont know them personally.) and because of Saradomin strike, he has been north. Why don't we have much evidence of him going east? as in the swamps... I searched, but found absolutely no mention of the swamps, at least in the swamps.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Unless he really has some connection and he is the king, which explains why he likes the crown like blue partyhat. But still... I view the King explanation very low on the totem pole of our train of thought.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

whew... hey, what if the WOM can be controlled like a player by a jagex staffer, like in a quest type thing. Same with the combat instructor Vannaka, among others.

[Wizz]

LOOKS LIKE ELFINLOCKS KNOWS GERMAN

 

 

 

 

 

 

AND SO THOSE WOM

[KingWenlok]

Hmm... well, the WOM could possibly be trying to become the King of Falador. After all, what better way to look like a good boy in Saradomin's eyes than become king of a Saradominist region? So, he might just be trying to be the king so he can pave his way to godhood. Also, as king, he'll have direct control over the Faladin armies- the White Knights, for example. Since the White Knights are Saradomin followers, they'll take whatever chance they can get to destroy Zamorakians- especially on orders from their king. It seems his main goal is still to become a god.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Would King Wenlock and 1alebcay stop sniping at each other... please!?!

 

 

 

We weren't actually being serious (at least, I hope not). It was merely a bit of banter. :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I thought he like Zaros...ah well, he's Angel Eyes, he does what he wants.

 

 

 

Yes, I thought I was a follower of Zaros too. :mrgreen: If you pay me though, I'll follow whatever god you want. And I'll kill anyone you want too. Unless they pay me to kill you of course- that way, I'll just kill the one you want dead, take the money from you, then just kill you. If that makes sense. :mrgreen:

[Randox]

Wasent there something, like way back on page 20, about the WOM controling, or bribing, or somehting to do with the king of varrock (I dont want to read pages of posts again). And if im rembering correctly the WOM could be trying to control both Varrock AND Faladore, and with those 2 citys he would Control both Asgarnia and Misthalin. The End result would him being in control of what, a quarter or fith of Runescape, the white nights, the wizzarads tower, and whatever armies varrock has (maby lumbrige has one too?)

[ThruItAll]

WOM has morethan 60 magic, he used teleother on Olivia.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How did he get so rich? He's got Lvl 60 magic(to cast god spells). He beat the mage in the mage arena. Casted Saradomin strike 100 times inside the Arena. He became so powerful (99 in all stats?) but wanted to buy the skill capes. He blasted into the bank and stolen players' items from their banks. When people say they're hacked and they find that their valueables have disspeared, the WOM took the items from our banks. But he was not allowed to get the skillcapes for somereason. He's mad. He wants himself to be the most powerful mage there is. So he's gonna blow up the Wizard's tower and make himself the only one who can use magic! He'll summon demons, and use Saradomin's power to destroy Gielnor!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Theory is highly unlikely, but makes sense.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And he will probalby rule the world too... :)

[1alebcay]

As our little king here said, we are just having some friendly banter. (It makes the thread more lively.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you pay me though, I'll follow whatever god you want. And I'll kill anyone you want too. Unless they pay me to kill you of course- that way, I'll just kill the one you want dead, take the money from you, then just kill you. If that makes sense.

 

 

 

Ah, a man after my own heart, it's all for gold. The only problem with that is that any one who would want to kill me is already dead, and if you did want to kill me you would end up dead to.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It would be a good way to gain favor in Saradom's eyes. Also if Saradom was after domination than he would of course teach his king some of his secrets. Also the secret society hasn't been ruled out yet.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who knows, maybe he is in charge of it or has a position of leadership in it and now the society wants to start to take control. The only problem with this is that if that if this happened then the WOM would become a puppet and looking at his history it seems like he might have been a puppet and he wouldn't want that to happen again. (I like making run on sentences.)

[KCHughes]

Hmm... well, the WOM could possibly be trying to become the King of Falador. After all, what better way to look like a good boy in Saradomin's eyes than become king of a Saradominist region? So, he might just be trying to be the king so he can pave his way to godhood. Also, as king, he'll have direct control over the Faladin armies- the White Knights, for example. Since the White Knights are Saradomin followers, they'll take whatever chance they can get to destroy Zamorakians- especially on orders from their king. It seems his main goal is still to become a god.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And let's not forget:

 

 

 

If you remember how many of the letters he sent were to or mentioned people who were very close to the Black Knights' positions: the Oracle overlooks the Black Knight fortress, Father Lawrence is really close to that one Black Knight north of Varrock (plus his church has a huge tower that can easily be used to spy from), and Father Uhrney is close to that other lone Black Knight south of Draynor (who is in a perfect position to be blamed for the destruction of the Wizard's Tower and thus trigger the war, I might add).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of course, with the huge rivalry between the black knights and white knights.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wasent there something, like way back on page 20, about the WOM controling, or bribing, or somehting to do with the king of varrock (I dont want to read pages of posts again). And if im rembering correctly the WOM could be trying to control both Varrock AND Faladore, and with those 2 citys he would Control both Asgarnia and Misthalin. The End result would him being in control of what, a quarter or fith of Runescape, the white nights, the wizzarads tower, and whatever armies varrock has (maby lumbrige has one too?)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That was about the possibility of WOM being related to the King of Varrock and would take the throne if the King were to die. That was when we considered the weirdness of a huge bed and lots of pictures of the King beneath the Wizard's Tower, thinking that the King was a member/leader of Opus Saradomin and WOM was trying to kill him to become the King of Varrock. This was all pre-god theory.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I personally don't believe WOM is trying to be the king of Falador. It's very likely he's doing some behind the scenes manipulation to get one of his loyal friends into the throne, though. Since WOM has no known relation to the King of Falador, and the prince of Burthorpe is next in line, WOM probably wants either the leader of the White Knights or the grand master of the Temple Knights to become the king.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Both of these are really really far out, though.

[Xewleer]

You must remember, however, that the prince of Falador, in Burthope, is 5 minute walk from really powerful trolls. Now, that is not the safest place for a prince to be. So, one wonders...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with K. C. Hughes that the WOM is not trying for Falador's throne. I do believe that he is trying to involve it in some kind of war (white/black/ knights). using the things afore said.

[KCHughes]

Hey, if anybody can find out what Elfinlocks says (if anything) or does in the new quest, please post it on here and together we can probably deduce some meaning out of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I mean, Jagex created some fictional player that WOM robbed. Then they bring her back and make her an NPC in a quest. Definitely suspicious. Even if she doesn't directly mention the bank robbery (which I would have no idea why, it's such a huge event), then she'll probably say something with at least a little bit of meaning. Even in the Cold War quest, WOM was slipped into the storyline in one short sentence, and that gave us a ton of information.

[x_bow80]

I think he is a noob pixle hugger. He has to kill people unfairly to get his riches :shame:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Xewleer]

well... the quest is called the great brain robbery.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And the WOM robbed the bank. Elfinlocks was seen with her cat. Zaros is Cat. Bob the cat is Zaros. Cat's are the secret masters of Runescape So... the WOM is connected.

[quantumkik]

Hey, if anybody can find out what Elfinlocks says (if anything) or does in the new quest, please post it on here and together we can probably deduce some meaning out of it.

 

 

 

Elfinlocks doesn't say anything, only walks by a shop in Canifis for a second. I think Jagex is just trying to be funny.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Elfinlocks was seen with her cat. Zaros is Cat. Bob the cat is Zaros. Cat's are the secret masters of Runescape So... the WOM is connected.

 

 

 

It's not a real cat, that could be related to Bob (like my cat is the son of Bob), but a player made cat. And Bob is NOT Zaros. In the quest A Tail of Two Cats we learned that he is Robert the Strong, a warrior from the first age. (Too bad the tip.it quest guide says only a little about this, so I checked another site to help me remember.) Robert had a pet panther called Odysseus. He fought against the dragonkin, who were nearly immortal but couldn't reproduce. They made the dragons that we see now in Runescape to protect the dragonkin. In the quest you see a movie where Robert and Odysseus are fighting a dragonkin. The dragonkin kills Odysseus with his magic. Robert is also nearly killed, but manages to kill the dragonkin with his last arrow. But the real personality of Bob still might be important for the WOM mystery. He has a book about elder-dragons in his house. There might be a connection between the elder-dragons and the dragonkin that Robert fought.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hmm... well, the WOM could possibly be trying to become the King of Falador.

 

 

 

I don't know much about the story of King Vallance of Falador, but what if the WOM actually is the king himself? In Herman's book about the history of Dionysius (the real name of the WOM) it says that Dionysius was educated in Varrock, not that he was born there... And doesn't that partyhat looks like a crown? The WOM wasn't a candidate in the rs poll about the king, but that could be intentionally.

[Xewleer]

We do know that Zaros is a cat. Bob has let slip that he is Zaros. One of our early opinions showed WOM has connections to Zaros. Because Bob the cat is often seen in WOM's house... Anyway. Robert the Strong could have been Zaros in disguise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, Even though Elfinlocks didn't say anything, that doesn't mean there aren't hints. WOM has great connections to Saradomin. Who says he doesn't have friends/connections to Harmony Island?

[Darkluniux]

DARKLUNIUX's HOT NEWS!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Considering the recenting thoughts concerning the recent dispute due to the trully predecesor of the Asgarnian dinasty, here is my opinion:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1st- We all were told that there is a prince of burthope and the imperial guard keeps him secure, but, is that truth? How about is there is not any prince and instead of it there is some kind of organization that plans to end with the power of the White Knights upon Falador? This would explain why the king never appears (maybe he is a lie too), but then why the white knights continue with this? As we can see, the Knights Templar are proud to serve the world by defeating very bad threats like Solus Delagar or the Mother Mollum (yes, the bic slug that brainwash people). Maybe are they confronting another menace?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2nd- Why the WOM wants to control Asgarnia if he might be doing it already as the head of the Saradomin council, or even worse, the Knights Templar?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3rd- King Wenlok does not have faith in anything more than the Cabbage, shame on that heretic and hail the potato.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4th- Maybe the WOM comments us to not use Acients not because it is bad for us.. But because he donnot want that someone get a very powerfull magic that can defeat him..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

5th - There is something new in the magic tower...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

... Not really!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, Ta-Ta for now.

[bloody_scife]

I've got it! The WOM has a secret alliance with the man in the blue shirt who walks around in Lumbridge. this man gets killed all the time, every day, then respawns back in Lumbridge, and the WOM is studying him. And then, the WOM kidnaps the man and throws him off of a roof, and drinks all of his blood through a thin straw :twisted: .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is the meeting going to be in world 106 this time? Because I would really like to go and last time I went to the wrong world and didn't know which world it was in, and I got confused :XD: . Then I decided to give up and eat a banana muffin before my brain broke.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: Ooo, another theory! The WOM is secretly planning on taking the power of Zamorak by blasting the Wizards Tower and doing something, like maybe the ruins of the tower will have some kind of effect, and make the entire world like the wilderness, and then miraculously hit 44's on everyone with Saradomin Strike, which would bend the laws of reality, physics, and a computer game, and then, take their stuff. Then Saradomin comes down and gets all mad, and Zamorak is all happy and stuff. Then Guthix comes down and says, "Hey you kids, cut the racket!" and then the WOM dies. Or something.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Haha, I wrote that all in 2 minutes, buzzed up on Mountain Dew and cake.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit 2: As for the whole King of Asgarnia thing, I always thought that the MOM was the king of Asgarnia, and lived under the wizards tower in that bed in the basement, in hiding. Hey,hey,hey... MOM and WOM are brothers, right? Well supposedly? What about the Odd Old Man? He does have some kind of, erm, skeleton thing talking to him in his bag....he is quite odd..And accurately named :P . But they could be triplets, forimg an alliance of elderly folk, called the MOMWOMOOM!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Eh, this entire post was probably of no help, but hey, the MOMWOMOOM thing could be something.....

[1alebcay]

Even if Bob isn't Zaros he would be of great use because he lived during the first age while the gods roamed the earth, and survived. During that time he would obviously have acquired great knowledge. If Zamorock learned to become a god, than any person of high rank during the time probably would have tried to learn also....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok, this came out of no where but while I was writing this little bit up there this came to me: If he was trying to become god there must have been something associated with becoming a god. The only thing we know of him doing was killing dragonkin.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now dragonkin were nearly immortal. The only other immortal things out there are gods. What if they were the link to becoming a god. Robert was trying to kill them to become a god but in the process he lost his best "friend" or "helper" so he couldn't become a god, instead he was turned into a cat, because his helper was a cat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now the WOM is going to try to become a god by killing dragonkin. His companion is going to be Bob. His only problem is finding dragonkin.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The wizard's tower is a very old building and it former inhabitants would have known of great things. Undoubtedly dragonkin would have been great things. In the other tower Zammy mages tried to summon a dragonkin and in the process they destroyed the tower. This time the WOM plans to do the exact same thing with out regards for the tower.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The only problem that nags at me is the problem of the bank robbery. Why would he need to rob the bank? The only suitable explanation (in my opinion) is that it was a cover up, but for what?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Side note: This was all just really random thought without that much to back it up, but wait, that is what this thread is. :wink:

[KCHughes]

Whoa...bingo. That may have been the final piece of the puzzle.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As far as I could tell, when Robert tried to kill the dragonkin, all he wanted was to become immortal. Dragonkin undoubtedly had some mystical property that allowed the mortal that killed one to become immortal. I may be wrong, but I didn't gather by reading the story of Robert that Robert was attempting to achieve godhood, just immortality.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

OK, then how about this. If WOM becomes immortal but not a god, what could he do? Well, he could still have a massive war against Zamorak, but WOM would not be able to be killed. Remember when we said that WOM's self-confidence would probably get himself killed if he were part of a god war? Well, if he becomes immortal, he wouldn't have to worry! WOM has a leg up on Zamorak here; when Zamorak killed Zaros and took godhood for himself, Zamorak was still a mortal while Zaros was not. This time around, we know of a definite way to defeat Zamorak, and that's the same way that Zamorak defeated Zaros, by stabbing him in the back with the Staff of Armadyl. All WOM has to do is overpower what army Zamorak has, and he can put himself in a face-to-face battle with Zamorak. WOM can actually have the Staff of Armadyl, because its in the hands of allies of Saradomin. Through the Council, WOM can request the use of the staff to kill Zamorak with, and they will gladly give it to him. War ends, WOM kills Zamorak, Saradomin is so elated that he grants WOM godhood.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However...what happens when, after Zamorak is gone, all the balance of power shifts toward Saradomin? Guthix, god of balance, intervenes to set things equal. What will he do to rebalance the gods? Will he intervene with WOM's godhood and turn WOM into the new god of evil? Or will Guthix resurrect Zaros to restore balance? Stay tuned... :mrgreen:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

P.S. Nice work everyone! =D>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

P.P.S. I guess the last few meetings have been world 61, so should we try it again? I'll definitely be there tomorrow, daylight savings time and all.

[1alebcay]

I can't come to this meeting just post whatever happens. :

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As far as the power shift goes, to get rid of Zamorock they would have to banish him to the abyss. Now the abyss has already been opened. Maybe while putting Zamorock in Zaros escapes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The problem of why he robbed the bank still bothers me...

[Xewleer]

The dragonkin do not grant immortality. In a tail of two cats (researched on Runehq, shame on me!) it is a King Black Dragon who Bob and Neite (? sp) fight against. Not Dragonkin, And because of a letter to the KBD we know he is not Dragonkin. Bob Could still be Zaros. He was never a human to my understanding, in fact, I think his dad was Robert the Strong. Anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Zamorack, with the help of some now thrice cursed humans, was stabbed (with Zaros also stabbed) with the staff of Amandyl (who should still be considered a player in this plot, we just don't know where he is) and a transfer of power, not unlike a lightning bolt went through them. Thus, Zamorack IS a god, and Zaros is who knows where. However, we know that various servants of the various gods continue to roam about at will, at least, in the bounds they/chosen god set. We all agree that WOM is still mortal, right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But what if he isn't? What if he already got immortality somehow? he is too long lived for any other idea, 44 with sara strike, disintegrating Jagex players One does not get that powerful without hard and long training. The best of players can do... up to 30? On other players with Saradomin strike. Some, who have played longer than the WOM has been around (lets say Zezima) has not broken the barrier broken by the WOM. even though things like the Tzok-Jad can one hit 99 hitpointers (without protective coverings and prayers etc) with whatever he chooses. But that is unique magics. WOM uses player magics, with player staff in a commonly used area!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I believe that the WOM is already immortal, just needs the power of gods!

 

 

 

And he still wants to be a god...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Whew, thats a lot of stuff to go through...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Potatoes and cabbages? Meat! Meat fish Meat!!! then some veggies!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: could someone say, with exact certainty what is the time we meet (I work in the yard Sat. so...)

[quantumkik]

The dragonkin do not grant immortality. In a tail of two cats (researched on Runehq, shame on me!) it is a King Black Dragon who Bob and Neite (? sp) fight against. Not Dragonkin, And because of a letter to the KBD we know he is not Dragonkin. Bob Could still be Zaros. He was never a human to my understanding, in fact, I think his dad was Robert the Strong.

 

 

 

Runehq also hasn't the whole story. You're talking about another movie, when Bob and his now fiancee Neite are travelling around Runescape. I'm talking about an earlier part of the quest. Bob is being hypnotized by the Sphinx and then clearly remembers he was Robert. That's when you see the movie with the dragonkin. Check out Zybez, they have the whole story of the quest (didn't want to mention that name before, but now I do to avoid further discussion).

[Randox]

I dont think Ill make it to the meeting today, early daylight savings means that the meeting and event are now at the same time for anyone who lives in North America

[KingWenlok]

Odd that everyone manages to crack the case of the WOM whilst I'm away... :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyhoo, about the dragonkin- we said this would probably end up being a series of quests, right? Well, what if this quest was simply an intervention to stop the WOM getting immortality, but ended up that the player trying to do it had to fight a dragonkin for survival? Player immortality, anyone? Or would that be going too far?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hm, my brain has gone stupid. But as for the meeting, I should be there. So, the dragonkin will be the main topic of discussion I suppose?