Investigating the Wise Old Man

[skreeran1]

Okay, I checked Port Sarim church, and it has the same as all the other churches, no tree...

[Randox]

I got something of a translation for that latin thing. I saw, I wanted, and theres other things for what comes next but, from that I can tell you exactly what it means: I saw it, I wanted it, It's mine. It says that in the book followed by its latin translation.

[1alebcay]

What if the WOM is not strictly human, but of the same race and origan as the mahjarrat. I'm not saying that he is or ever was mahjarrat, but that he is the same race as there tribe (I belive there to be multiple tribes in freneskae that are the same race as the mahjarrat). I think this could explain his power with magic and why he can take so much damage. (from what i'vee heard of the damage he takes and the effect of his health bar, he might have a 4 digit hp level).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just a thought, isn't Iban half Mahjarrat? The only problem with the WOM being half mahjarrat is that the majority of the Mahjarrat follow Zamorak. If humans can breed with Mahjarrat, maybe gods can also. Maybe the WOM is the son of Saradom.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As far as the clan idea goes, that could be interesting, but I don't think we have enough people to constitute a clan, and if we did get enough people the ideas would all be spam, or else it would be next to impossible to keep up with what is going on.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: Congrats KC, your topic now has over 1000 posts.

[Xewleer]

Agreed, 1alebcay, I also really dont like the idea of a clan anyway...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't think the WOM is half majharrat, or even full, he is just a human, as of now.

[skreeran1]

 

 

 

Just a thought, isn't Iban half Mahjarrat? The only problem with the WOM being half mahjarrat is that the majority of the Mahjarrat follow Zamorak. If humans can breed with Mahjarrat, maybe gods can also. Maybe the WOM is the son of Saradom.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I thought Iban wasn't really the son of Zammy, but a Black Knight who died and was ressurected believing he was the son of Zammy...

[Randox]

Regarding the clan thing, I ment put WOMDA in the clan slot nothing more. I just ended a wildy trip on my secondary account, to see that symbol on the sheild my self, I saw than left because the dark warriors keep trying to kill me. The symbol on the rock in the dark circle looks likea pointy horse shoe, don't know what it means.

[skreeran1]

Regarding the clan thing, I ment put WOMDA in the clan slot nothing more. I just ended a wildy trip on my secondary account, to see that symbol on the sheild my self, I saw than left because the dark warriors keep trying to kill me. The symbol on the rock in the dark circle looks likea pointy horse shoe, don't know what it means.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It looks like a Sickle, a symbol of guthix, on second glance, we should get a member to head up to the druid circle and check for and similar symbol.

[KingWenlok]

Just a thought, isn't Iban half Mahjarrat? The only problem with the WOM being half mahjarrat is that the majority of the Mahjarrat follow Zamorak. If humans can breed with Mahjarrat, maybe gods can also. Maybe the WOM is the son of Saradom.

 

 

 

Well, doesn't the saying go 'Like father like son?' Well, let's look at Saradomin- big white beard, bald head, old appearance. And now let's look at the WOM- big white beard, bald head, old appearance. The only difference is the fact that the WOM wears glasses, a blue party hat, and tanned robes. Still, the resemblance is rather extraordinary. But the only way this could possibly work is if Saradomin didn't know the WOM was his son. Perhaps he might be trying to become a god for good reasons rather than out of his own greed? Maybe he wants to keep the line of good Mahjarrat alive?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As far as the clan idea goes, that could be interesting, but I don't think we have enough people to constitute a clan, and if we did get enough people the ideas would all be spam, or else it would be next to impossible to keep up with what is going on.

 

 

 

EDIT: Cross-posted with Randox, I see that he means just something to put in the little clan thingamagig in the user profile.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: Congrats KC, your topic now has over 1000 posts.

 

 

 

:lol: And the thousandth was posted by the newest member. Welcome to WOMDA by the way skeeran1!

[Randox]

Has anyone got anyplace they want me to go to? or shall I go back to the relaxing lifestyle of being a fisherman?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I mean a closed clan consisting of the major contributors. And putting WOMDA as a clan is far more subtle than the investigating WOM thing many of us have in our sigs (nothing against them thogh, I like them!)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I belive the symbol of Guthix is more like an upright "~" or something like that.

[skreeran1]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: Congrats KC, your topic now has over 1000 posts.

 

 

 

:lol: And the thousandth was posted by the newest member. Welcome to WOMDA by the way skeeran1!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks alot, I'm heading up to the wild to check out the Forgotten cemetary now. :thumbsup: World 96 is our official world right?

[KCHughes]

We may not be far from the truth in regards to WOM being Saradomin's son.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dionysus (the Greek god) was the son of Zeus. I'm sure TB@JT didn't just pick Dionysus out of the blue, did they? In Roman, Dionysus' name was Bacchus. Does that name or term appear anywhere in Runescape? Also, Dionysus came from Phrygia, in modern central Turkey. Has anyone seen a name similar to Bacchus or Phrygia anywhere? Ikov is reported to be the son of Saradomin also, but nobody has seen or heard from Ikov, and nobody knows what he looks like.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Iban was brought back to life by a witch who used "the four elements that bring life" on a doll of Iban. The elements are blood, flesh, shadow, and conscience. Interesting? I think so.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That symbol looks like 3/4ths of a circle with an arrow at one end. And yay for 1000 posts! I don't know what our official world is, if we have one. We jump around a lot.

[skreeran1]

 

 

 

And I belive the symbol of Guthix is more like an upright "~" or something like that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"A" symbol of guthix, not "the" symbol of guthix, in the nature spirit quest you must make a Silver Sickle and get it blessed by a druid of guthix. Just clarifying...

[Xewleer]

No, the symbol is that flame like things, go to Runehq's God page, (under special reports) it has the symbol big ans stuff... anyway, that sickle is more of a weapon, like, chosen weapon idea thing...

 

 

 

Goodnight!

[KCHughes]

I spent the day scouring around mostly, I did turn up a few things.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The symbol on Father Lawrence's chest seems extremely familiar, though I can't put my finger on what it is. And yes, his robes do look similar to Dark Wizard's robes. My problem is with the color of the symbol, kind of a purple color color, right? If I'm not mistaken, Zaros' colors are also purple. But the shape of the symbol makes me think otherwise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lumbridge has a ton of those carpets with the black symbols of Saradomin, the same as the ones in the temple in the wildy. But Lumbridge's colors are white and blue, and it's on everything. But in the castle and the church, there are a lot of red and black carpets.

[Xewleer]

guess what guys, some of the sick in ardougne (west) they have very similar markings to the Majharrat, esp. the Oracle, except red.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, the priest in Ardougne has the same clothes! back to the underground pass! Its an epic quest!!!

[1alebcay]

That's interesting.... The WOM said that when Ardouge was first developing they lived in fear of a Mahjarrat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Does anyone remember a while back when we were talking about the thing under the bed. Some how some people thought it was a Kalphite. It was even proposed that there was a tunnel running from his house to the Kalphite lair. Well, we know of a thing drilling in that area. And looky what I stumbled across in the general P2P section. http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?t=632763

 

 

 

The coincidence is kind of interesting.

[KCHughes]

Hmm...the cave isn't very far away from Draynor's sewers, too. Plus a lot of people were claiming it looked like a 'little Kalphite,' one that could probably get under WOM's bed without being detected (except by its snoring, which is hard to explain, coming from a spider-thing). So there may be an additional route that connects the Draynor sewer to the Lumbridge cave system.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@ Xewleer: Did the sick people have markings on their faces? Did you mean that the sick people's markings are red? I think, this is a ploy being used by the mourners, since they are supposedly followers of Zamorak (supposedly, Xewleer/Trobigod/Skeeran will have to get back to us on that). But maybe the mourners are using the traditional Mahjarrat facial markings to identify who has the "plague." What are they up to? Also, did the Ardougne priest have the same symbol on his chest as Father Lawrence did?

[Xewleer]

(KC, I noticed your sig, and I have one thing to say "teh Brits is teh P0wnz0rs!1!!1!")

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, they looked natural, and even though I didn't look everywhere, only a certain type of woman had it... I'm right now trying to get thought the Underground pass quest, when I get through that, I'll be able to do Regicide, and so on, I can get through things like that fast if I have too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The mourners are smart, but I think I can recognize that stuff, it looks exactly like vannaka's markings (trobigod etc. will know what I'm talking about if they have decent slayer.) Also, I will be on the look out for info on Iban etc. revealed in Underground Pass.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tis true.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: As far as I can tell, they are very similar. (lawrence and priest etc.) Except the Ardougne priest has navy colored vestements instead of black, but symbol is very similar, which might just be a bit of decoration.

[skreeran1]

(KC, I noticed your sig, and I have one thing to say "teh Brits is teh P0wnz0rs!1!!1!")

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The mourners are smart, but I think I can recognize that stuff, it looks exactly like vannaka's markings (trobigod etc. will know what I'm talking about if they have decent slayer.) Also, I will be on the look out for info on Iban etc. revealed in Underground Pass.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(I Believe you mean, "teh Scotsm3ns r teh P03nz3rsss!!1!!11!!Shift+1!!!")

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And no, from my knowledge there is not anything important to be learned from the Underground Pass quest.

[bloody_scife]

I'm a member, so I could go places you tell me to, if I can. Add me anytime. My combat level is 70 at thr moment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I haven't been able to make it to one meeting yet. I always get confused about times, especially now. and I never know what world it's in.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But I think it is very possible that the WOM is the son of Saradomin, there are a lot of facts supporting this theory. Then he could be sort of like Hercules, right? He could have grown up never knowing he was the son of Saradomin. Then somehow he found out, and is trying to become a God to impress Saradomin or something.

[skreeran1]

But I think it is very possible that the WOM is the son of Saradomin, there are a lot of facts supporting this theory. Then he could be sort of like Hercules, right? He could have grown up never knowing he was the son of Saradomin. Then somehow he found out, and is trying to become a God to impress Saradomin or something.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One problem, if he was a half-god, why would he rob a bank? For one, he could probably get it a better way (calling upon his divine powers to create money for example) and second it is against Saradomin's teachings.

[Xewleer]

Well... I never really thought, nor cared to think that WOM was Saradomin's son...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, I think that the fact that either Iban is Zamorack's son by blood or by pure evil is very important, remember, apparently Ikov is Saradomin's son, by birth or pure goodness we don't know though.

[Randox]

I'm a member, so I could go places you tell me to, if I can. Add me anytime. My combat level is 70 at thr moment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I haven't been able to make it to one meeting yet. I always get confused about times, especially now. and I never know what world it's in.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But I think it is very possible that the WOM is the son of Saradomin, there are a lot of facts supporting this theory. Then he could be sort of like Hercules, right? He could have grown up never knowing he was the son of Saradomin. Then somehow he found out, and is trying to become a God to impress Saradomin or something.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Confused about time for meetings, I know the feeling, and i'll try to help. First the meetings are held at 07:00 pm (19:00) GMT (Grand Meridian Time). Now where I live thats 4pm because my time zone (AST - Atlantic Standard Time) is GMT -04:00 meaning GMT time subtract 4 hours, although currently is -3 hours because you add one hour for daylight savings. I just thougth of a way around you maby not knowing your timezone...you post something here and when you do, put in the local time, i'll see the post time in my timezone, ill do the math and tell you when the meetings are. Alternativly there an hour before TET events so you could use there officil countdown.

[bloody_scife]

 

I'm a member, so I could go places you tell me to, if I can. Add me anytime. My combat level is 70 at thr moment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I haven't been able to make it to one meeting yet. I always get confused about times, especially now. and I never know what world it's in.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But I think it is very possible that the WOM is the son of Saradomin, there are a lot of facts supporting this theory. Then he could be sort of like Hercules, right? He could have grown up never knowing he was the son of Saradomin. Then somehow he found out, and is trying to become a God to impress Saradomin or something.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Confused about time for meetings, I know the feeling, and i'll try to help. First the meetings are held at 07:00 pm (19:00) GMT (Grand Meridian Time). Now where I live thats 4pm because my time zone (AST - Atlantic Standard Time) is GMT -04:00 meaning GMT time subtract 4 hours, although currently is -3 hours because you add one hour for daylight savings. I just thougth of a way around you maby not knowing your timezone...you post something here and when you do, put in the local time, i'll see the post time in my timezone, ill do the math and tell you when the meetings are. Alternativly there an hour before TET events so you could use there officil countdown.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm EST, and I think that's 3 PM if it's 7 PM GMT. I used a time converter thing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here is the site I used.

[KCHughes]

Not much for Father Lawrence's symbol, I guess. Maybe just a decoration.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, today I got to watch "All The President's Men" again, one of my favorite movies, and I learned a few very good lessons about investigation from it, and found that this investigation lacks some things.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First off, for those who know the movie, Deep Throat often tells Woodward and Bernstein to focus on the "big picture." I think so far we've been doing this well. We've gone off on a few tangents, but we usually bring it back around to the main point of the investigation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Secondly, Deep Throat's advice was to start at the bottom of the pyramid and work your way up. In other words, you have to first begin by exposing the small-time people involved in the plot, and slowly expose people that are more important, influential, and involved in the plot, until you've exposed the motives for the plot. Once you've done that, the ringleader is usually just a few steps away. This is what we've really been missing out on; the WOM hierarchy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think, in order to get this investigation off the ground, we need to establish some sort of organizational pattern surrounding WOM. We should start with all of his contacts:

 

 

 

Thurgo

 

 

 

Reldo

 

 

 

Father Lawrence

 

 

 

Father Aereck

 

 

 

Father Uhrney (mentioned in letter)

 

 

 

Abbot Langley

 

 

 

High Priest of Entrana

 

 

 

Oracle

 

 

 

Kolodion the Battle Mage (mentioned in letter)

 

 

 

Chieftan of Tai Bwo Wannai (mentioned when you talk to him)

 

 

 

Residents of Shilo Village (also mentioned when you talk to him)

 

 

 

Larry the Zookeeper (WOM helps him in Cold War)

 

 

 

Arrav (he talks of "meeting" him some day)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

These are all of the people/groups that WOM has made contact with recently. We should probably organize them into some form of pyramid based on their powers. This is what I think the hierarchy looks like:

 

 

 

WOM at the top (obviously)

 

 

 

High Priest of Entrana

 

 

 

Kolodion

 

 

 

Abbot Langley

 

 

 

Father Uhrney

 

 

 

Oracle

 

 

 

Father Lawrence

 

 

 

Father Aereck

 

 

 

Chieftan of Tai Bwo Wannai

 

 

 

Arrav

 

 

 

Reldo

 

 

 

Thurgo

 

 

 

Residents of Shilo Village

 

 

 

Larry the Zookeeper

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There. We can slowly add contacts as the story develops, but this is all we have now. I just noticed him mentioning the Chieftan of Tai Bwo Wannai and Shilo Village last night, and we haven't been around there at all. WOM mentions zombies attacking Shilo Village, but I don't know what he's talking about. Maybe members do?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, we need to start at the bottom of the pyramid for now. Let's start with Larry and Shilo Village, because I don't think Reldo or Thurgo can give us any information. I'm going to ask around as well, to various NPCs to see if they know anything more.