The Back Room

[Retech]

Another thing, one man with an AK-47 could probably never take out a bomber in time, but if you have twenty men firing, you could probably shoot down a bomber before it hit its target.

 

DERP

 

Considering that basically all modern planes are stealthed and fly very high, I don't see how people with INFANTRY GUNS can shoot down PLANES. Maybe in the 1940s...

[Grim_]

You seem to forget how much manpower they have, they could practically make a ship for every bomb you could make.

No, they couldn't, that's [bleep]ing [developmentally delayed]ed. On average a lower end (read: good enough to sink a ship) cruise missile costs around 1-2 million dollars to put that in perspective, a lower end... say destroyer costs ten times that amount, with a more modern one costing 50-100 times that. This is not even getting into the logistics of transporting that amount of building materials (which would cost money and add to the cost of building the ship). Of course they could be using lower end ships to lessen the cost, but still, the point about logistics stands.

 

EDIT: Also, to the point about the AKs and the bombers, no they couldn't. You seem to be thinking that the bombers will be flying on strafing runs a la WWII fighters or in the vietnam war, in all likely hood they would be around a mile high (give or take) dropping smart bombs, which makes hitting them a fair bit harder (read: nigh impossible).

[Icuownage]

1 - Do you know how many explosives it would take to take out an entire city? Especially one with the sizes of China? It would take a lot..... That's a lot of money to spend on explosives.

 

2 - No, I imagine the people of China will be more annoyed at the people bombing their homes? As I said, this is in the event of an offensive war by the USA.

 

3 - America nor India is suited to have such a sudden change in their productions, consumerism will still be ruined.

 

4 - Once your jets have run out of fuel, or have become too damaged, and once you have run out of missiles and such (and this will happen) America will have literally no offensive potential. The offense they built up with the strikes on Chinese military bases and defensive lines to gain a foothold would lose their back up support, the Chinese swarm returns and it's a massive blow to American forces, which will have to retreat, now America faces huge potential of annoyed public, literally no economy as their businesses NEED this and the stock market will most likely crash.

 

 

I truely believe America can't beat China.

[The_Mather1]

Grim, why do you think you can buy stuff from China and sell it used for profit?

 

Retech, stealthed=/=invisible, one bullet to the fuel line, the warhead or the cockpit and the plane could be history.

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Retech, stealthed=/=invisible, one bullet to the fuel line, the warhead or the cockpit and the plane could be history.

 

Or, you know, they could fire a really really really long rifle into the air, and win the lottery, hit the president, and win the war like that.

[Retech]

1. Okay, I think you underestimate how much stuff bombs can blow up. They can blow up a LOT OF STUFF.

 

2. And?

 

3. Such a change would probably kick start the American economy into a wartime economy, which is what WW2 did to the great depression.

 

4. Okay, firstly. As stated before, we have ultimate naval supremacy. After bombing and killing all of their cities, we can just sit back and continue our production of bombs. We have so many bombs stockpiled, considering our warlike stance to basically everything. Secondly, who said anything about landing American troops? We can accomplish so much through genocide with naval and air power alone.

[Vixion]

Inb4 a thousand more posts about a topic that I would have interest in if I cared to read it.

[Grim_]

Grim, why do you think you can buy stuff from China and sell it used for profit?

 

Retech, stealthed=/=invisible, one bullet to the fuel line, the warhead or the cockpit and the plane could be history.

Because they pay their people next to nothing (at least by our standards) so that goods are cheap if at a low quality? That does not exclude the cost of materials and electronics, which make up the bulk of the cost of a ship (which can be downgraded, but still, you're not getting a ship at the low low cost of a cruise missile [well, comparatively]). And, again, try hitting something going circa 300 mph (much much more if it's at supersonic speeds) a mile away from you with a rifle, you're not going to (there's a reason why surface to air missiles were invented).

[The_Mather1]

Retech, with China out of the picture, global economy is dead beyond revival, economically we're back to the iron age.

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3. Such a change would probably kick start the American economy into a wartime economy, which is what WW2 did to the great depression.

 

 

Like I said before, America would need Europe to be at war with China for that to work. Elsewise they are selling to themselves.

 

 

4. Okay, firstly. As stated before, we have ultimate naval supremacy.

Realistically...Even with total supremacy, mooring your ships just off the coast isn't going to work. They will get destroyed... (man with some C4 ring any bells...Or hell, a torpedo fired from the coast.)

[Retech]

Grim, why do you think you can buy stuff from China and sell it used for profit?

 

Retech, stealthed=/=invisible, one bullet to the fuel line, the warhead or the cockpit and the plane could be history.

 

You know that regular people cannot see something thousands of feet in the air, travelling faster than the speed of sound, and shoot it down with a basic and outdated weapon?

[Ieyfura]

Ok, here's how it would go down. Godzilla would surface from the depths and give us a facepalm. This would result in the world imploding in upon itself. Therefore, we'd all lose. >=O

[jasignhagj]

Except when it comes to war America could likely switch their ships over to biofuel in a few years. Biofuel which can be grown from soybeans that countries like Malaysia would be more than happy to sell to us at inflated prices. Planes would be a bit more difficult to convert, but they would likely be done with the major air strikes after the first month.

[Vixion]

....We'd all lose....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Game.

[Retech]

Archi, you can't cite yourself as a source, no matter how reliable you think that you are. :P

[jasignhagj]

....We'd all lose....

 

The Game.

 

>2011

>Still playing the game

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Archi, you can't cite yourself as a source, no matter how reliable you think that you are.

 

Hehe

 

 

Man with C4...Suicide Bomber? Technically I am citing reality.

Its easy to get me and it confused :thumbsup:

[The_Mather1]

There are three cities whose destruction would ruin the world; New York, Tokyo and Hong Kong.

[Icuownage]

Err cause why would you obliterate your bank? Literally, after the outcome of the war you are saying, America would be in so much debt that they will probably splinter and or get invaded by someone else.

 

See, I don't think America could take that approach, even if they did have their entire military at their disposal, because it is just too stupid to do.

 

America will probably only target high important targets with their missiles and aircraft and military bases. Civillian areas are a no attack zone instantly because of the fact that would ruin factories(which will most likely get captured by American footsoldiers, because they are too valuable to America).

 

The fast strike attacks to China's military, will render it rather damaged, giving America a window to land troops while China picks up it's army. After America has landed it's troops, they will secure the largest cities ASAP, obliterating China's power.

 

Now this is where America simply cannot handle China. China, now having it's army back in shape, will now have the advantage in numbers and the fact that this is their coutnry and they probably know it better. Even with the sheer devastation caused by American attacks, the Chinese army will be much larger than the landed American army (as they will not be able to land their entire army, it's too costly, so some will remain in reserve when the losses begin to pour in).

 

Chinese armies will begin zerging the American fortifications (which the American's may or may not have set up) which will not have the manpower to defend, and America will eventually be pushed back to the shores.

[Ieyfura]

Archi, you can't cite yourself as a source, no matter how reliable you think that you are.

 

Hehe

 

 

Man with C4...Suicide Bomber? Technically I am citing reality.

Its easy to get me and it confused :thumbsup:

 

 

What is this reality you speak of?????? O.o

 

I have never heard of it.

 

All of that aside. Yes, my posts are pointless because this debate is kinda pointless. xD

I mean, really? Why would be blow each other up anyway? It would be ze end of ze world!

[Vixion]

Of course...The Game is legendary.... Almost as legendary as Nyan Cat. cx

[Retech]

Again, suicide bombers are only a problem when we cannot gun down everyone down. They can only get close because we're afraid of killing several million civilians and having our credibility damaged

 

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That's why you don't land any soldiers! Destroy their factories! American business can take up the slack.

[Vixion]

SHEEEET GUYZ FIER ZE MISSLES

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Again, suicide bombers are only a problem when we cannot gun down everyone down. They can only get close because we're afraid of killing several million civilians and having our credibility damaged.

 

 

Shooting your own soliders...This plan gets worse and worse.

[jasignhagj]

I just remembered that China has a lot of rare metals that we need for advanced technology. This could be a problem