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[Retech]

AMC 10

 

If you do well, then

 

AIME = American Invitational Math Examination

 

If you do well, then

 

USAJMO = United States of America Junior Mathematical Olympiad

 

If you do well, then

 

IMO = International Mathematical Olympiad

 

My mom was pissed because she thought I didn't qualify for the AIME.

[Icuownage]

I've only ever known a few people get into regional and international math competitions, none of them really enjoyed it that much but felt proud of what they did. While I thought, there wasn't much of a point to it.

[archimage_a]

Mmmm, I think, if I were your mother, I would be less concerned about you getting into AIME and more concerned at you getting into AIME with your belief that 708 is less than 700. I am pretty sure basic number theory is important in a maths contest...Might be wrong...Economics doesn't need it so who knows. :rolleyes:

 

 

But seriously, congratulations, if anyone in the tavern deserved to win a maths contest, it is you. :wink:

[Ieyfura]

Wow Retech. If you move up past the AIME....well, just getting into it puts you in the top 5% of children in America for math. (Guestimated %)

 

I am truly impressed.

[Jehosaphat]

If I knew about these math competitions, I'd be participating. And probably failing hard, but meh - I'd probably fail them all because I'd use integral calculus instead of algebra or trig or whatever.

 

"BUT THE FASTEST SOLUTION IS A DEFINITE INTEGRAL!"

"YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO KNOW CALCULUS!"

etc. etc. etc.

 

But yeah. The Tavern is proud of its Retech.

 

Aaaaand on a side note, I've had less and less time to devote to drawing. Sadly. Which means I'm not improving at all, which means I'm thinking about giving up drawing again, even though it's something I enjoy a lot. What do?

[Retech]

Thanks. :)

 

The more important thing was that I beat my mathematically-inclined friends as well (harharhar). I just barely made it though, so I am unlikely to move further unless I do better on the AMC 10B (moving up factors AIME and AMC scores into the equation)

 

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Stork, maybe just work on drawing a bit each day? Even though you might not get an entire piece finished every day, it would still help. You should also consider finding a college, university, or school near you that is hosting the AMCs and take the AMC 12. They have calculus on there.

 

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Archi, I didn't specifically write out 708 in the "numbers between 200 and 700", but that's kinda what happens when your work is jumbled. :P

 

At least I knew enough geometry to compensate for my failure in that problem.

[Icuownage]

It is a very good achievement, and you should be proud :)

 

Perhaps it will help with future employers!

[Retech]

Have you considered math competitions? Maybe they'll be fun if you tried a few. :P

[Jehosaphat]

Stork, maybe just work on drawing a bit each day? Even though you might not get an entire piece finished every day, it would still help. You should also consider finding a college, university, or school near you that is hosting the AMCs and take the AMC 12. They have calculus on there.

Hmm... sounds like something I might ask on my next trip to Admissions to ask why something isn't right.

 

And as for drawing, I want to draw and I like doing it, but other stuff always shows up.

"Hey, I think I'll work on drawing. After I finish this homework."

*finishes homework*

"Hmm, I don't think there was anything else I was gonna do... H&H TIEM"

So I usually end up doing most of my drawing during Physics class, which is when the only other option is to sit there bored out of my skull. (We're just now touching on vectors, and this class is supposed to be university-level and it started in late January. <_< )

[Retech]

It's interesting, but some universities are now asking for your AMC scores in the United States, so it might be good to take it.

[Seraphi]

Stork, maybe just work on drawing a bit each day? Even though you might not get an entire piece finished every day, it would still help. You should also consider finding a college, university, or school near you that is hosting the AMCs and take the AMC 12. They have calculus on there.

Hmm... sounds like something I might ask on my next trip to Admissions to ask why something isn't right.

 

And as for drawing, I want to draw and I like doing it, but other stuff always shows up.

"Hey, I think I'll work on drawing. After I finish this homework."

*finishes homework*

"Hmm, I don't think there was anything else I was gonna do... H&H TIEM"

So I usually end up doing most of my drawing during Physics class, which is when the only other option is to sit there bored out of my skull. (We're just now touching on vectors, and this class is supposed to be university-level and it started in late January. <_< )

I tend to only draw when I actually have inspiration... Which is fairly rare, admittedly, but unless I actually have an image of something in my mind, whatever I attempt inevitably turns to crap. If I do have something in my mind though, everything else takes a back seat until it is finished, regardless of whether or not it is terrible.

 

Also, Vectors have far too much maths involved for me to like. I prefer quantum phenomena and particles.

[Icuownage]

I personally see less point in math, after a point it is too specialised. Where each thing you learn might be for engineering, physics, architecture, completely useless, also the fact that less and less people are actually required to be mathmeticians, if only a handful of people know it, then they can program computers that do it for us. A bad habit to get into but it's much more efficient.

 

The only use for math now a days is to get a gueastimate of how well a student will handle logical thinking and numbers.

[Nexaduro]

I believe Archi brought up a point before, from an Asimov story perhaps, about human mathematicians being stuffed into rockets?

[The_Mather1]

Icu, electrics. That's 99% math, 1% quantum physics. But then again quantum physics is math.

[Icuownage]

Well the thing about electricts, is once you've done it enough to learn the math behind it, then you don't really need math to do it. I'm just saying the fact that they teach you over specialised material at high level math. Although it is a persons choice as to what their future holds.

[Nexaduro]

Yay for being an underachiever! :D

 

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... :mellow:

[Ieyfura]

All you mathematicians here...damn....The extent of my math is pretty damn basic in comparison...BUT...I'm a writer, not a mathematician, so that's ok. lol

[archimage_a]

Everything is over specialised nowadays...It takes 18 years to train to become a child behavioural physcologist...8 years to become a physcologist, 6 years specialising in behavioural sciences, and then another 4 years specialising in children.

 

That is FAR too long.

In the words of Adam Smith:

'Long apprenticeships are altogether unnecessary. The arts, which are much superior to common trades, such as those of making clocks and watches, contain no such mystery as to require a long course of instruction. The first invention of such beautiful machines, indeed, and even that of some of the instruments employed in making them, must, no doubt, have been the work of deep thought and long time, and may justly be considered as among the happiest efforts of human ingenuity. But when both have been fairly invented and are well understood, to explain to any young man, in the completest manner, how to apply the instruments and how to construct the machines, cannot well require more than the lessons of a few weeks: perhaps those of a few days might be sufficient.'

 

Simply...any job, that can be done by an physist or mathematian, can, also, be done by a buffoon with a set of followable instructions, with the exception of original thought.

 

Smith goes on to say:

'The dexterity of hand, indeed, even in common trades, cannot be acquired without much practice and experience.'

 

Which means that a physist or mathematian, spending 18 years studying, will, at the end of it, have no more skill than a physist of mathematian who spent those 18 years working(in whatever job physists and mathematians do), following instructions from a book.

 

Both will learn, just the working ones will earn as well.

HOWEVER, no one will hire an unqualified mathematian, so you are forced to go through X number of years of training.

 

 

In short:

Everything is over specialised nowadays.

[The_Mather1]

Rocco, the reason buffoons with manuals aren't taking over educated people's jobs is because they are all busy as politicians.

[Retech]

Woah, unnecessary jab at politicians! They need oratory skills to be stubborn yet appear to be working towards compromise.

 

Math that can be done by a buffoon can also be done by a calculator, but that is not actually what mathematicians and physicists actually do.

[Nexaduro]

I think you provide a bad example in Psychology. Dealing with the human mind requires, I imagine, a great deal of insight and ingenuity. The base may be similar, but the thoughts have great potential to vary.

[Seraphi]

Rocco, the reason buffoons with manuals aren't taking over educated people's jobs is because they are all busy as politicians.

Okay, I'll give you that one, I actually laughed.

[archimage_a]

Well, logic would tell you that the jobs you would need to do after any long education would be unable to be fulfilled by a "buffoon with instructions." Otherwise, buffoons with instructions would be doing every job, no?

Logic? You mean that because it exists at the moment that it exists for a reason?

No.

18 year course into child behavioural physcology exists because there is a limited need for child behavioural physcologists, thus you stick a ridiculously long training period, so that by the time they qualify the old ones have moved on.

 

Also, the majority of jobs require you to do a training scheme/probation when you first start...so if you need training...after your training...then what was the point of the training?

 

On the other hand, an 18 year course shows you are committed.

 

Math that can be done by a buffoon can also be done by a calculator, but that is not actually what mathematicians and physicists actually do.

Hardly, when I am disproving whatever concept I am required to disprove on the Tavern, I did not take advanced physics or mathematics...I worked out what needed to be done, found the instructions for how to do it, and did it.

Though it is true that ANY calculation a human could do could also be done by a computer...thus physists and mathematicians are only required to discover new things and to make the calculators/write the books....Which I believe I covered in the quotation.

 

I think you provide a bad example in Psychology. Dealing with the human mind requires, I imagine, a great deal of insight and ingenuity. The base may be similar, but the thoughts have great potential to vary.

A) Not my example, it was an example of a Child Behavioural Physcologist from the last generation, where it required 8 years training.

B) Very true, which is why a psychology degree, I am told, covers all of those aspects. Behavioural sciences, apparently, has a moderate sized overlap, and child behavioural psychology is almost totally a rehash of the previous two course.

[Jehosaphat]

So. I have decided, that in order to improve my drawing prowess and so you guys can rate my artwork (since I usually think I suck badly at everything anyway)....

 

I am going to draw the Tavern characters. Every. Last. One. And scan them, and digitally edit them, and then host them somehow.

 

I'm going to start with my characters, going from the ones I started with to Theros and Colin from nowadays. Of course, there'll be half-a-dozen named Kemios, but still.

 

So post any custom designs or positions you wish to see your characters drawn in, along with a basic recap of said character's appearance. Nothing dirty, please, I'm a bad enough artist already and I want to be able to post these on TIF to burn Hex's eyes out in case he comes back show you guys what I can do and get any recommendations.

 

Also, this way it makes it harder for me to shirk off drawing.

[Alg]

That might be something interesting for future games.