C maul beats rapier at bandos. Really?

[Powerfrog]

I'm sorry but I'm going senile. I remember being convinced that it does, but now, looking at the stats, i can't see HOW.

 

In my bandos gear with rapier i have 156 strength bonus and and 146 stab bonus. In the same gear with maul i have 204 strength bonus and 194 crush bonus.

 

The stat increases doesn't really seem to justify the slower weapon speed to me, especially as rapier already seems decently accurate.

 

Not to mention its SO much better on the minions.

 

I'm not expecting the rapier to actually win, as i remember being so sure that it didn't not long ago and don't expect the rhino cape to push it over the edge, but I'd like to be reminded why maul is better and more importantly, how much better it actually is.

[Ezkaton]

Graar has a weakness primarily to crush attacks as far as I can remember and then to slash attacks.

 

And don't forget your video of you almost 4 hitting Graar.

 

TBH what I'd say as an acid test for yourself is to get a friend who's set up is the exact same as yours, the only difference being rapier + defender for weapon + shield, with you and a maul. See what happens then.

[Quyneax]

The maul vs. rapier is not based on theory but on testing, apparently Graar has a typical platebody-style defence (stab > slash > crush defence) despite the armour he drops. iirc Levon did a lot of hits to prove that cls > rapier, then did maul as well and that scored even better :P.

[Octarine]

Assuming you claw spec every kill, a maul also works best to get a good hard hit in after your special, often guaranteeing you the kill, which is great in an anti-crash situation.

Regardless, you should take rapier+ddef to switch out on minions anyway.

 

On the non-dps side, a maul is also the perfect speed to SS flick on graar too, which can prolong your trips

[Powerfrog]

The maul vs. rapier is not based on theory but on testing, apparently Graar has a typical platebody-style defence (stab > slash > crush defence) despite the armour he drops. iirc Levon did a lot of hits to prove that cls > rapier, then did maul as well and that scored even better :P.

How long ago was the test though? Quite a few things such as rhino cape, stead fasts, goliaths... etc... Have came out fairly recently, which all give advantage to faster weapons. (More importantly, did he use dragon defender, or a shield?)

 

I personally feel that the rapier is quite accurate on Graardor, at least accurate enough to make the increased accuracy of chaotic maul not a huge deal. And on top of all this, the cmaul has more overkill to deal with which is still worth mentioning with Graardor's fairly low 2.5k health

 

Also, i don't find chaotic maul significantly easier to SS flick with than rapier, seeing as Graardor's attack speed is faster than it. If that argument is going to made for weapon choice, CLS should win as it has the same attack speed. (While rapier IS easier to flick with on the minions, as they have rapier speed, i always go from ~300 to full hp from the minions with rapier, rarely above 800 with maul)

 

And is chaotic maul SIGNIFICANTLY more powerful than rapier to warrant A). Using it in the first place and B). Using two inventory slots on rapier and defender, as it's minion killing speed is almost essential for a relaxed solo and less so for fast KC.

 

(Can i get a link to the test results? I wanna see the exact numbers.)

[Leon S]

http://www.xp-waste.com/the-bandos-project-major-update-t72.html

[Powerfrog]

http://www.xp-waste.com/the-bandos-project-major-update-t72.html

He quotes under 40% accuracy with rapier. I feel like i have way higher accuracy with it and may do some testing of my own when i hit 99 attack. Also as expected the gear used is slightly outdated, and what he calls "solo gear" isn't what i, and most people i meet crash use either, the 'max strength' gear which i and many use is very close to CLS with outdated gear, and it doesn't account for overkill, dreadnips, or other players.

 

Theres very little information about the maul, but it does seem WAY better than rapier, but in my personal practical experience the difference is very close, with rapier seemingly in the lead, so I'm calling shenanigans.

 

It also doesn't count the first hit because of turmoil boosting, while nice for clean statistics, isn't actually practical in finding out which is the best weapon and favours slower weapons as faster ones get the first hit out of the way and into the action faster, so to speak. (I know he can't really avoid this, I'm just saying that the results are inherently going to show faster weapons weaker than they actually are.)

 

I know i sound like i want the rapier to win this, i don't know why, i love my maul, but it just doesn't seem correct.

[Aiel]

how you "feel" is not really statistically relevant data...and as we now know the accuracy, rhino cape is pretty easy to factor in, and the +1 attack from steads should be almost unnoticeable. You also should always do first hit with rapier/dart drop anyway to remove the no turm boost faster, and kill minions with the rapier.

[Ambler]

Also, i don't find chaotic maul significantly easier to SS flick with than rapier, seeing as Graardor's attack speed is faster than it. If that argument is going to made for weapon choice, CLS should win as it has the same attack speed.

Graa attacks at maul speed, which helps a ton if you allign your attacks.

[Powerfrog]

Also, i don't find chaotic maul significantly easier to SS flick with than rapier, seeing as Graardor's attack speed is faster than it. If that argument is going to made for weapon choice, CLS should win as it has the same attack speed.

Graa attacks at maul speed, which helps a ton if you allign your attacks.

Huh. Rswiki says that his attack speed is 5 ticks. Tip.it bestiary and Runehq don't note attack speed ( :???: )

 

I remember seeing rswiki's speed and never doubting it, I'll be sure to keep an eye on it next time i do bandos.

[Hedgehog]

Levon calced graar's defense levels/bonuses. This can be used to determine accuracy with any levels or equipment.