Abilities and Auto Attacks.

[Noxx]

It's been quite a while since i've really done any PvM, and i really haven't done much PvM in EoC in general. So i had a few things i have been wondering about. When killing something like a GWD boss what would be the best way of doing so?

Is it better to try and time my Abilities with my Auto Attacks? Is it better to spam Abilities till i can start doing Threshold Abilities and then start trying to time my Abilities with my Auto Attacks? Or is it best to just Ability Spam the whole time?

 

If i didn't make it very clear this is basically what i mean:

 

Option 1: Basic + Auto > Basic + Auto > Basic + Auto > Auto + Threshold > Auto + Basic

Option 2: Basic > Basic > Basic > Auto + Threshold > Auto + Basic > Auto + Basic

Option 3: Basic > Basic > Basic > Threshold > Basic > Basic > Basic

[Mylez]

Auto > Basic > Auto > Stun > Basic > Auto > Basic > Threshold : ]

 

That's my usual method on EOC.

[chenw]

Spam Abilities until threshold, especially if you are dual wielding. Auto attacks for me are extremely rare (and the fact that they generate 1/3 as much adrenaline as abilities). THere are more than enough basics in the game to chain abilities indefinitely.

[Quyneax]

Avoid autoattacks. Avoid stuns unless your target is stun immune (most bosses are, though KK reacts violently to stuns, so best to limit them there). Avoid DoT attacks unless your target is high health (Frag Shot requires at least 3 hits and is the most forgiving DoT, but Dismember and Combust both take 6? hits which means your target probably needs 10k+ health for the DoT to be worth it).

[jayc3399]

3s>5s>3s>10s>3s>5s>15s>3s>10s with thresholds used when available, is the basic premiss to never have down time.

[Noxx]

Yeah i was going to mention that i don't have the money for Drygores, Virtus Wand/Book, or that new Crossbow yet, so i still use Chaotics for Melee and Mage and a Royal Xbow for Ranged which means most of my PvM is 2 handed. Not sure if that makes any big difference on whether or now i should allow for auto attacks or now.

[jayc3399]

Never worry about timing for auto attacks, follow what I said previously and spam abilities to maximize dps.

[chenw]

As archer said, it is possible, and easy, to chain abilities back to back without pausing, so if you do end up waiting for an ability, you probably tripped up somewhere.

[Quyneax]

A note about the 5s abilities: You should avoid them if you can, except Concentrated Blast. Punish especially is very bad, Dazing Shot and Sonic Wave are meh, that 5s dw range basic is ok if used before Rapid Fire I guess.

 

Use the best abilities you can, provided that your rotation is full. That usually means (auto >) Slice > Dismember > Slice > Sever > Slice > Smash/Cleave/Decimate > (Slice >) Assault and then during Assault your cooldowns are hopefully done.

[chenw]

I am personally not a fan of the 5 second channeled abilities, sure, they do more damage per ability, but you also generate less adrenaline (quite a bit less) and I tend to try and get thresholds asap. I dont know which is actually better though, but I doubt Concentrated blast is better than instant basics

[Quyneax]

You only have to get up to tresholds once per trip, so that's not really an issue. Concentrated Blast deals 300% damage compared to Sonic Blast at 120%. I think it's pretty obvious that having twice the damage output beats getting another 4% adrenaline. By the way, Concentrated Blast isn't channeled, it's a combo attack. It doesn't stop you from moving like Asphyxiate does.

[chenw]

Q 1, Me 0

[chenw]

Unless I mis used concentrated blast, I tried it at barrows and here is what I concluded:

 

I was comparing Dual cast wind surge with Ahrim's Wand vs ABS.

 

Concentrated blast hit for maybe 1500 per hit, for 3 hits, which is roughly what I would hit for if I cycled Wrack and Sonic blast.

 

Concentrated blast still stopped casting as soon as I moved.

 

I was killing barrow brothers much slower than I was with ABS (I ran out of prayer before I got to the tunnels with Dual wield, I am able to make it to tunnels with at least 200 prayer without using adrenaline stallers).

 

Can one enlighten me where I am doing wrong? I remain convinced that Concentrated blast is overrated, unless I am taking it out of context.

[Saradomin_Mage]

I break concentrated blast after the second shot, so I get 2 hits of it in 4 ticks, before returning to my normal cycle. You could think about it as a 200% damage ability that takes 4 ticks instead of a standard 3 tick ability.

 

e: actually come to think of it, I think you can get the first two shots off from concentrated blast in 3 ticks, which would make it a 200% ability. Need to check in game.

 

Other problem: If you use t70 wand/book dw, your spell ability damage is going to be less than when using ABS

[Quyneax]

Yeah, you have to compare Ahrim's wand + Book to Ahrim's staff for instance, and you need to be sure to stack a hit with the final hit of Conc. Blast, like you do with Asphyxiate.