@ Blyaunty: You make good arguments. But where you say : 'The fact that you’ve tried to akin Abyss stalkers to real PVP only demonstrates that you really don’t know what PVP was all about.' you miss the point. We can discus what real PvP is, was or should be, but a big part of the community did this , or now kills warbanders or peng hunters and say they are pk-ing.
I think my argument about the best pkers who already did more then just click and hope shows I do know the thing you probably mean with 'real PvP'.
What ever the case is, EOC did not kill PvP.
@Helring: Does it really matter that 41% preferred the old system? Personally I don't really want to have to learn new ways either, but I do anyway and move on. It matters what system si better for the future of the game , mostly to attract NEW players, not ones stuck in the past. But if that actually did matter, our preference , yes I say our.. it included me, does not matter, only how many will absolutely refuse to use the new system not even an enhanced momentum, which already reduces EOC back to 'click and wait'.
"I've spent extensive time working with other people who are more combat savvy than me on EOC, working on various combat modes and methods within EOC to make me better at it too, and I am very confident with my ability to work it.
That said, I've got a number of friends in-game who simply cannot "get" it, no matter how hard we try to explain it to them -- including "guides" with "pictures". Then again, those same people sucked at fighting in the old system too, but because of the sheer bulk of their skills set, they weren't aware of how bad they were ..."
In reaction to this and to Hellring:
I myself consciously made a big effort to learn EOC, the tutorial only left me more confused. So I went to black dragons and started experimenting, for a day. When I finally got the basics I went to Dominion Tower to learn more. Learn, just by doing and trying,
Of course there will be people for whom this will be a bridge to far, like for instance the slidypuzzels in cluescrolls beat my brain... I can do them up to a point, using a system.. and then I just don't see it anymore. But also, I actually am one of the people who is older, with a handicap on top that makes certain bosses or being a true master of abilities beyond me. For those people, like me we have momentum, but I think the majority who say 'can't in reality are people who do not want to give it a real chance, who are stuck in their resentment. With practice and a lot of concentration I can do it to a point.
Again this is not to say there are not peopel worst of, who can not do it at all. I feel for them, but ... momentum should work. These people, and me, would never be a master pk-er in the old days either, which also required quick reactions and pressing many buttons really fast. I was happy I could actually stay alive most times in the old wildy, but kill my opponent.. they ran away or tallied.
Blyaunty: "all I could get from them was that it was still eoc and they aren't interested. Legacy has their interest piqued."
That says it all: it is IN THEIR HEADS. it is stubbornness, unwillingness to change, feeling entitled to the way they are used to. This is nothing new, every major change in the past had people act like this. Every major change saw people leave. This will not be stopped. If they come back for Legacy most will quit for the next update after, or the one after that. There is a a natural cycle of people leaving and new ones coming, not one that has the same speed for everyone and there are exceptions though.
The article I wrote before this one was about why people play and continued to play RS, I did many, many interviews with people for it, compiled over 50 useable reactions, but also got many reactions why people had stopped playing or were playing less. EOC was named, yes, but when asking beyond that I most times got the same answers I got from the ones who did not name EOC : their lives had changed. Education, job, girlfriend, family.. just growing up.. Almost never did an other mmorpg replace it either,
Some players that did quit also returned, quite a lot to '07, since this meant they could just start casually playing again, without having to learn new things.. but some even grew to liek RS again that much that they tried EOC and moved 'back'. There absolutely is an upside to '07 and there might be the same one for Legasy, as in gettign some old people back, who when their lives settle down again have a bit of time to play RS.
In my clan we do not delete inactive, and I can say with certainty most return!!! .