Viktorkrum77 Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 So how do you feel about the European union? The Euro, the failed constitution, etc... Me doing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubsa Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 It's such a big mountain of crap, I wouldn't know where to begin. But hey, that's politics. This is how much you all raised for charity. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pianofrieak2 Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 I'm very much against the European Union, the United Nations, and this new thing that Bush is trying to do (with Canada and Mexico) to form this new North America EU. Why? Well, most of you know how I hate big government. Big Brother inevitably occurs for your protection (I know it's for protection but I'd rather be less safe and be watched/controlled less too. You have to trade some things for others. For me, it's well worth the trade-off.) Plus, the bigger the government, the more corrupt it gets which means more people get abused and more tax money gets wasted in the bureaucracy. I'm with Not's view on this one. (As soon as he posts...if he does lol) I'm currently transitioning from a Wizard to a Mage and a Priest to an Archpriest. Lol both are nonexistant in the top 25. Hopefully I can change that. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katha610 Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 stuck in its own bureaucracy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anesthesia Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 It's such a big mountain of crap, I wouldn't know where to begin. But hey, that's politics. The same goes for me. I think Clarkson put it well on his talk show when he pointed out that we're one of the countries that gives the most and takes the least. Some people are changed by being a moderator. I wouldn't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 I'm very much against the European Union, the United Nations, and this new thing that Bush is trying to do (with Canada and Mexico) to form this new North America EU. Why? Well, most of you know how I hate big government. Big Brother inevitably occurs for your protection (I know it's for protection but I'd rather be less safe and be watched/controlled less too. You have to trade some things for others. For me, it's well worth the trade-off.) Plus, the bigger the government, the more corrupt it gets which means more people get abused and more tax money gets wasted in the bureaucracy. I'm with Not's view on this one. (As soon as he posts...if he does lol) Security for freedom is a trade that I am disappointed we are making as a country/society. I'm against globalization, international trade agreements, the United Nations, and the formation of regional unions. I'm not for complete isolationism, but the fearmongering that is taking place is allowing the government to expand its powers and get away with things that would not be allowed unless we were in a "post-9/11 world". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caligula101 Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 It's a nice idea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostRanger Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Do the majority of the people like or dislike the EU? (people who live in Europe that is?) Was it voted on by the general population to join it or whatever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktorkrum77 Posted August 14, 2006 Author Share Posted August 14, 2006 Well most European countires are joining, and even agreeing to the Euro. But some countries like Denmark, Britain, and Switzerland won't accept the Euro. But almost every country in Europe will have probably joined by late 2007, all that's really left is parts of Eastern Europe. Me doing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pianofrieak2 Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Do the majority of the people like or dislike the EU? (people who live in Europe that is?) Was it voted on by the general population to join it or whatever? It was voted on by politicians...I don't the people had much to do with it, but I'm not sure they would've gone against it since no one knew what to make of it at the time. I'm currently transitioning from a Wizard to a Mage and a Priest to an Archpriest. Lol both are nonexistant in the top 25. Hopefully I can change that. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Do the majority of the people like or dislike the EU? (people who live in Europe that is?) Was it voted on by the general population to join it or whatever? It's a pretty complicated subject really. Here in Britain it's pretty mixed on views about the EU. Most recently some countries have been voting on the European Constitution, which has brought up a lot of debate. Personally, I'm a eurosceptic :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusqi Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 I used to be eurosceptic.. however I'm changing my mind now. Firstly because America is a bad ally for Britain, and secondly because countries like China and India are starting to have an important voice in politics, and the separated countries in the EU will be ignored more and more. The bureaucracy and politics of an effective EU will be difficult to overcome.. so I'd say we need to get on with it now before it is too late. For it is the greyness of dusk that reigns.The time when the living and the dead exist as one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oy_the_Great Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Like Dusqi said, the European countries need to gather in order to mean something in the world's politics these days. 100 years ago Europe, and especially the UK was the largest world power. But now it seems that previously underdevelopped countries with those immense number of inhabitants gain a lot more influence. Europe, with its 350 million inhabitants does a good job defending its colours by standing together. I like the EU as an economical union, as well as a political force. I don't think the EU reacts bad to the challenges it faces and it deals rather well with the new countries in it. Of course there are a few things I dislike; the greater our power, the smaller the chance of poor nations to increase their wealth; the bureaucratic slump, extravagant wages etc. Bill Hicks[/url]":dhj2kan9]Since the one thing we can say about fundamental matter is, that it is vibrating. And since all vibrations are theoretically sound, then it is not unreasonable to suggest that the universe is music and should be perceived as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirHartlar Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 I went to Slovenia on holiday this year, and they are just joining the EU. There currency is being changed to Euros, wages are supposedly are going up but so are prices. All the people talked to didn't seem to enthuse about the change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
____ Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 The countries making up the EU made a decission in the hopes of bettering their nations - and for the most part, they have achieved that. Although, with any policital union, it's got its own pros and cons. I essentially agree with Oy, together Europe is recognised more as a collective voice rather than a babble of individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktorkrum77 Posted August 14, 2006 Author Share Posted August 14, 2006 I went to Slovenia on holiday this year Don't mean to got Off Topic, but how was Slovenia? We are getting an exchange student from Slovenia this year to come and live with us. Me doing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueTear Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Do the majority of the people like or dislike the EU? (people who live in Europe that is?) Was it voted on by the general population to join it or whatever? The first question is hard to answer because the EU is made up of independent nations. If I start walking around in a capital of a neighbouring nation I have not have moved that much in terms of actual distance as I could move within, say, the USA, but culturally I've covered a lot of ground. The nations that make up the EU have culturally diverging backgrounds stretching centuries into the past. Not only does the boys and girls living 400 km over the local 'sea' speak a different language, they're history is radically different from mine, as is their economic, cultural, social and political backgrounds. That's a long way of saying that you can't ask europeans about the general opinion about the EU, because it differs too much from country to country. The same goes for entering the Union, I know we had referendums for it all, but the way our... er... "basic law" is laidout, referendums can only take on an advisory capacity; The elected government is free to do as it chooses - no matter what the referendum says - but obviously they'll be paying for it by the next election. I don't know how entering the Union came about in, say, eastern europe (though I suspect the public majority was strongly in favour). Personally, I'm all for the rise of a European Federation. Yes, we have our differences, but on the other hand, I think a lot of them could be reconciled if people were willing to let go of their national pride - I mean really, what's wrong with just calling english the official language and stop this silly translation crap? - and work for the future. And in the process, I'd think we'd all benefit from it; Economically, socially and certainly culturally and politically. (It might be worth pointing out that the European Union started out as a trade agreement between a few nations for specific industrial causes, which is another reason why asking if everyone in it has voted to join in a bit futile; The current EU is a progressive development, not the result of a bunch of people going "Let's have a union of nations!") -This message was deviously brought to you by: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quer_Skulll Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 i'm all for uniting Europe however i'm against the European constitution because: the european constitution would totally destroy mainly the dutch way of life. (i wont go to deep on this) about the freedom for security thing: where are all those hippie's? we need them.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubsa Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Don't get me wrong, I think being some part of Europe is the only logical step of advancement of the UK. I just think that the current system is absolute rubbish. No, I don't have a better idea. This is how much you all raised for charity. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
How2PK Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 I don't know, so I don't know if they're good or EVILLL. But I like it. I mean, the EUROPEAN UNION, that sounds so good and mighty it can't be bad. Signature by Maurice SendakWhen the stars make you drool just like a pasta fazool, that's amore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pati Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 I don't know it has it's pro's and contra's Computers will never be above humans because we made them.That's what monkeys used to say about us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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