"Jesus Camp"

[Guest XplsvBam]

I saw that on the news. Very sad.

 

 

 

I heard "If Harry potter was alive a few hundred years ago, he would be burnt for witchcraft", that made me chuckle. The rest is sad, teaching kids to die for their religion is not right.

so teaching kids to be hypocrites is right? either you do what you believe or you are just a (hate to say it) worthless person. no body wants a partner/friend to half-ass anything. I'm not saying I'm perfect but at least I make an effort to not be a hypocrite.

 

 

 

But I wouldn't hope for you to understand that, because frankly I think you would understand if you let your self.

[Guest GhostRanger]

I saw that on the news. Very sad.

 

 

 

I heard "If Harry potter was alive a few hundred years ago, he would be burnt for witchcraft", that made me chuckle. The rest is sad, teaching kids to die for their religion is not right.

so teaching kids to be hypocrites is right? either you do what you believe or you are just a (hate to say it) worthless person. no body wants a partner/friend to half-ass anything. I'm not saying I'm perfect but at least I make an effort to not be a hypocrite.

 

 

 

But I wouldn't hope for you to understand that, because frankly I think you would understand if you let your self.

 

 

 

Your post doesn't even come close to making sense. What are you trying to say?

[bjbj1991]

Atleast I am not the only one who gets chils every time I hear the parents wishing their kids to be more like the terrorists.

[Tigra00]

I saw that on the news. Very sad.

 

 

 

I heard "If Harry potter was alive a few hundred years ago, he would be burnt for witchcraft", that made me chuckle. The rest is sad, teaching kids to die for their religion is not right.

 

 

 

I chuckled at that too.

 

 

 

These people fail to realize that it's just a damned book. There have been plenty of books about "magic", but of course, this one is directed at kids, those who Christians are brain-washing at a young age, so they can't have innocent little Harry Potter in the way!

 

 

 

Man, glad I wasn't forced into this crap as a kid. I'd be a mess today.

 

 

 

I also chuckled at the kid who said "I got saved when I was...umm...Five...Because I wanted something better in my life." Dude...What a crock. Obvious brain-washing right there...At 5, did you think about anything but Barney and coloring books? NOT LIKELY.

 

 

 

Edit: To those saying they're breeding terrorists...Use your heads. Islam promotes death in some way, because those extremists embrace death. The sooner they die, the sooner they see Allah. Christianty is completely the opposite. Suicide and murder are both unforgivable sins...The worst these kids can do is annoy the crap out of you, and trust me, they will at any chance they get.

[Death_By_Pod]

 

Regarding intelligence, however, I have news for ya. Studies show that 95% of SCIENTISTS (some of the smartest, most educated and most knowledgeable people in our government-sanctioned worship of the Scientific Method) believe in a Higher Power. People who study the world, life and it's origins come to believe that life and the Universe is *so* darn complex that it just couldn't be an accident. This isn't out of laziness - many are shocked when they get to that point, realizing there are questions that science simply can't answer.

 

 

 

 

Got a source for this? Actually it's the other way around, about 60% or so (depending on the survey) of scientists don't believe in a God and about 90% of "greater scientists" (scientists in biology, physics etc. who are members of the National Academy of Sciences). In fact it seems that as you gain a deeper understanding of the universe you are less likely to believe in a God, which comes as no surprise really.

 

 

 

Here is an article which sums up a bunch of surveys which all seem to point to the same conclusion:

 

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/news/file002.html

[nogames]

Reminds me of Southpark serie when in the end everyone was atheists and they said: Lets kill God...

 

LETS KILL GOD???

[insane]

I also chuckled at the kid who said "I got saved when I was...umm...Five...Because I wanted something better in my life." Dude...What a crock. Obvious brain-washing right there...At 5, did you think about anything but Barney and coloring books? NOT LIKELY.

 

 

 

Hah, I agree with you (for once).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Got a source for this? Actually it's the other way around, about 60% or so (depending on the survey) of scientists don't believe in a God and about 90% of "greater scientists" (scientists in biology, physics etc. who are members of the National Academy of Sciences). In fact it seems that as you gain a deeper understanding of the universe you are less likely to believe in a God, which comes as no surprise really.

 

 

 

Is it really relevant what people who study natural things for a living think about a supernatural thing?

[Tigra00]

I also chuckled at the kid who said "I got saved when I was...umm...Five...Because I wanted something better in my life." Dude...What a crock. Obvious brain-washing right there...At 5, did you think about anything but Barney and coloring books? NOT LIKELY.

 

 

 

Hah, I agree with you (for once).

 

 

 

Well, I'm not sure how anyone could argue with that. Think back to when you were five...Did you think of much of anything? I can barely remember when I was five...I think I was learning how to ride a bike, rollerblades, stuff like that. I also recall said coloring books. :P Never any Barney, though...I was all about those Ninja Turtles!

 

 

 

...But "being saved" and Jesus? Even if my family was religious, I highly doubt that would have been in my thoughts. :shock:

[Barihawk]

Well, my 4 year old nephew has already learned to pray, but I really doubt he knows much of anything about his "faith." It usually takes from the age of 7-14 to really learn much from Sunday School. Heck, I am still learning things about Christianity as a 20-year old.

[Anesthesia]

At that age you believe anything you're told. You believe that if you are good santa will come down your chimney and put the things you want under the tree. You believe that if a tooth falls out you put it under your pillow and a fairy replaces it with some money.

[Barihawk]

At that age you believe anything you're told. You believe that if you are good santa will come down your chimney and put the things you want under the tree. You believe that if a tooth falls out you put it under your pillow and a fairy replaces it with some money.

 

 

 

Pretty much what I was saying. I think I meant to put something in there about how kid's that age don't know much better than to do what thier told.

[Guest GhostRanger]

At that age you believe anything you're told. You believe that if you are good santa will come down your chimney and put the things you want under the tree. You believe that if a tooth falls out you put it under your pillow and a fairy replaces it with some money.

 

 

 

Uh, that's because he does come down your chimney and leave you presents when you're good. Someone apparently hasn't been good recently...

[katha610]

radicals are radicals.....

[assassin_696]

To me this just proves that any organised religion can and will be corrupted by a select few to the detriment of the majority.

 

 

 

I believe in a higher power yes, but not a Christian God, or Allah, or a Jewish God, or any of the other hundreds of Gods that people have worshipped in the past.

[Tigra00]

Well, my 4 year old nephew has already learned to pray, but I really doubt he knows much of anything about his "faith." It usually takes from the age of 7-14 to really learn much from Sunday School. Heck, I am still learning things about Christianity as a 20-year old.

 

 

 

He's learned to do as he's told, that's about it.

[Guest GhostRanger]

To me this just proves that any organised religion can and will be corrupted by a select few to the detriment of the majority.

 

 

 

I believe in a higher power yes, but not a Christian God, or Allah, or a Jewish God, or any of the other hundreds of Gods that people have worshipped in the past.

 

 

 

Any group, division or club can and probably will be corrupted by a select few individuals. It is never any indication as to what the majority of people in that group think, regardless of whether it's religion or some other organization.

[Barihawk]

Well, my 4 year old nephew has already learned to pray, but I really doubt he knows much of anything about his "faith." It usually takes from the age of 7-14 to really learn much from Sunday School. Heck, I am still learning things about Christianity as a 20-year old.

 

 

 

He's learned to do as he's told, that's about it.

 

 

 

Pretty much what I was saying. I think I meant to put something in there about how kid's that age don't know much better than to do what thier told.

 

 

 

Exactly?

[Viktorkrum77]

 

Regarding intelligence, however, I have news for ya. Studies show that 95% of SCIENTISTS (some of the smartest, most educated and most knowledgeable people in our government-sanctioned worship of the Scientific Method) believe in a Higher Power. People who study the world, life and it's origins come to believe that life and the Universe is *so* darn complex that it just couldn't be an accident. This isn't out of laziness - many are shocked when they get to that point, realizing there are questions that science simply can't answer.

 

 

 

 

Got a source for this? Actually it's the other way around, about 60% or so (depending on the survey) of scientists don't believe in a God and about 90% of "greater scientists" (scientists in biology, physics etc. who are members of the National Academy of Sciences). In fact it seems that as you gain a deeper understanding of the universe you are less likely to believe in a God, which comes as no surprise really.

 

 

 

Here is an article which sums up a bunch of surveys which all seem to point to the same conclusion:

 

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/news/file002.html

 

 

 

I feel that yes, the universe is complicated, but using an alternative route, ie. believing in a higher power, does show lazyness, and infact shows these scientists aren't willing to suface with the conclusions they have made.

 

 

 

I actually did a study on this at school. Small and slightly irrelevant to the whole of society, it did bring me to a rather unshocking conclusion. I asked the majority of the students taking a science major class if they still believed in God and religion in general. They moslty said no, or they were confused. But it brought me to the conclusion that as science uncovers more and more, and more and more is proved, people fall further and further away from religion. To be totally honest, I'd bet the majoirty of people (not all, the majority) would choose logic over an unproven, primitive, and very minipulated guess.

[Vashinred]

 

Regarding intelligence, however, I have news for ya. Studies show that 95% of SCIENTISTS (some of the smartest, most educated and most knowledgeable people in our government-sanctioned worship of the Scientific Method) believe in a Higher Power. People who study the world, life and it's origins come to believe that life and the Universe is *so* darn complex that it just couldn't be an accident. This isn't out of laziness - many are shocked when they get to that point, realizing there are questions that science simply can't answer.

 

 

 

 

Got a source for this? Actually it's the other way around, about 60% or so (depending on the survey) of scientists don't believe in a God and about 90% of "greater scientists" (scientists in biology, physics etc. who are members of the National Academy of Sciences). In fact it seems that as you gain a deeper understanding of the universe you are less likely to believe in a God, which comes as no surprise really.

 

 

 

Here is an article which sums up a bunch of surveys which all seem to point to the same conclusion:

 

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/news/file002.html

 

 

 

I feel that yes, the universe is complicated, but using an alternative route, ie. believing in a higher power, does show lazyness, and infact shows these scientists aren't willing to suface with the conclusions they have made.

 

 

 

I actually did a study on this at school. Small and slightly irrelevant to the whole of society, it did bring me to a rather unshocking conclusion. I asked the majority of the students taking a science major class if they still believed in God and religion in general. They moslty said no, or they were confused. But it brought me to the conclusion that as science uncovers more and more, and more and more is proved, people fall further and further away from religion. To be totally honest, I'd bet the majoirty of people (not all, the majority) would choose logic over an unproven, primitive, and very minipulated guess.

 

 

 

What class gives you the abilty to do awesome studys like that?

[mad4u689]

I'm not going to get into arguments about specific posts, but I just want to say:

 

 

 

Stereotyping all Muslims as "terrorists" is damaging. Stereotyping all Christians as "crazy fundamentalists" is damaging, too.

 

 

 

People do "bad" things, but blaming their religion is about as sensible as blaming their skin color. After all, the correlation between parents' religious identity and child's religious identity is EXTREMELY high, according to social psychology research (I apologize, I couldn't quickly find any statistics at the moment.)

 

 

 

The documentary sounds like an attack on a large group of people, which I think is rarely a very good idea. There may be exceptions, and of course I haven't seen the documentary, so I don't know.

[Death_By_Pod]

 

Is it really relevant what people who study natural things for a living think about a supernatural thing?

 

 

 

Not really, but I wasn't the one who posted that the majority of scientists were religious and that it is evidence that we can't live in a world without a strong belief in religion.

 

 

 

A scientist's opinion is just as relevant as anyone elseÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s opinion on anything. However it might be useful to find out why there are some populations of people who believe in something much less or much more then average. In doing so you might gain some insight, which might have otherwise never been found. Maybe it will spark new way of thinking about religion and its value to society.

[Guest GhostRanger]

 

Is it really relevant what people who study natural things for a living think about a supernatural thing?

 

 

 

Not really, but I wasn't the one who posted that the majority of scientists were religious and that it is evidence that we can't live in a world without a strong belief in religion.

 

 

 

A scientist's opinion is just as relevant as anyone elseÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s opinion on anything. However it might be useful to find out why there are some populations of people who believe in something much less or much more then average. In doing so you might gain some insight, which might have otherwise never been found. Maybe it will spark new way of thinking about religion and its value to society.

 

 

 

Or a new way of thinking about science and its value to society.

[insane]

 

Is it really relevant what people who study natural things for a living think about a supernatural thing?

 

 

 

Not really, but I wasn't the one who posted that the majority of scientists were religious and that it is evidence that we can't live in a world without a strong belief in religion.

 

 

 

A scientist's opinion is just as relevant as anyone elseÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s opinion on anything. However it might be useful to find out why there are some populations of people who believe in something much less or much more then average. In doing so you might gain some insight, which might have otherwise never been found. Maybe it will spark new way of thinking about religion and its value to society.

 

 

 

Yes for sure, I meant my post to apply both to your post and the one you quoted.

[BlueLancer]

At that age you believe anything you're told. You believe that if you are good santa will come down your chimney and put the things you want under the tree. You believe that if a tooth falls out you put it under your pillow and a fairy replaces it with some money.

 

 

 

When you grow older, you start gathering information and eventually, sooner or later, you'll find out "toothfairy" was your mom and "santa" was your grandfather. As you grow mentally, you'll probably start wondering the same about God, and I think it's necessary. To blindly believe in God is like blindly believing in santa, just because you were told he exists, instead of doing your own research and making your own conclusions you did even as a child.

 

 

 

Vashinred.... Learn to spell please, it makes you look like a fool, and a child who knows not of proper grammar and spelling.

 

 

 

Science and A Higher Power have nothing to do with each other

 

 

 

This coming from the person that believes science disproves God...

 

 

 

 

 

ON TOPIC: As a Christian, the trailer intrigues me. I kind of want to see it, but I kind of don't. Seeing it wouldn't really enlighten me, it would kind of just... embarrass me in a sense. But it would be interesting.

 

 

 

Well, you can rest assured God can't be "disproven". :) (On the other hand, should a God decide to give us direct proof right now, he could actually be proven to exist, but that's out of question too right now)

 

 

 

I didn't watch it, but if you want to, just try to view it objectively. Of course it would most likely embarrass you but at least you'd learn how "not" to be a christian, if you don't want to be an extremist. Heck, some people committed suicide for their cult so that their souls could take a ride on a spaceship that was hiding behind a comet, that if something in insane or embarrassing. Call me whatever you want but tolerance for such cults and their suicide policies is simply impossible on an intellectual level.

[Guest GhostRanger]

When you grow older, you start gathering information and eventually, sooner or later, you'll find out "toothfairy" was your mom and "santa" was your grandfather. As you grow mentally, you'll probably start wondering the same about God, and I think it's necessary. To blindly believe in God is like blindly believing in santa, just because you were told he exists, instead of doing your own research and making your own conclusions you did even as a child.

 

 

 

A good point, but the same is true for anything, including science. Think of how many people believe that humans evolved without knowing for themselves how we know it happens. I grew up being told that we were made out of atoms - and I believed it despite never having learned for myself, at least how we know that.

 

 

 

To blindly believe in any scientific theory without doing your own research and making your own conclusions is like blindly believing in Santa. Do you agree?