"Jesus Camp"

[Anesthesia]

I think what he's saying (and this isn't me saying it, so don't shoot me for clarifying) is that he thinks someone of as much intelligence as he perceives GhostRanger to be would take the time to look into the facts and decide that god doesn't exist.

[knives669]

I've seen my fair share of extremist Christians and good, open-minded Christians.

 

 

 

Religion is something that people (if they have one) feel passionately about, so of course there are going to be extremists, but they're not all like that. I'm not a Christian, and I don't much care for Christianity because of the way I've been treated by some "extremist" Christians. But, it seems as though this documentary will stack the deck against Christian people and communities and they don't deserve that.

 

 

 

If someone wants to send their children to a Christian camp and the children want to go, then they are perfectly within their rights to do so.

[Giordano]

Funny thing is, I bet they think extremist Muslims are barbaric when they are too! :lol:

[GordanFreeman]

 

next thing you know there will be home-bred american terrorists with bombs strapped to their chest running into non-christain churches..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What the hell are you talking about? Please tell me, do you know absolutely anything about the Christian religion? I'd really be surprised if you were able to back up what you just said with a biblical quote. I didn't go to any of the links at the beginning, but unless there's something really ridiculous in it then there was absolutely no reason for you to say that, as it's ridiculous itself. Think before you post next time.

[WutangFlu]

Takingthe bible to heart turns poeple into exreamists. its just crazy how they dont realize that they are kinda turning into terrorists.

 

 

 

Taking videos like that to be a summation of the general Christian population turns you into an extremist.

 

 

 

 

 

Oh yes, since Generalizing the Entire Christian Population is just so Extreame these days. It may not Represent all Christians but I will go with a rising Chunk of them that do Act like the kids in the Movie.

 

 

 

You're wrong. Sorry. Not only have I never lived outside of the Bible Belt before, but I also attend one of the largest churches in America, and I grew up as a minister's son. Needless to say, I've been around church people and Christians my whole life and I've lived in the most densley Christian areas you can live in. I've see the most liberal of churches and I live down the street from one of those crazy churches like we're talking about here and I can tell you that the majority of Christians are not psycho-extremists, just like I would posit that the majority of Mulsims aren't hijacking planes and flying them into buildings. The reason it's called "extremism' is because most people aren't doing it. It's extreme. It's more extreme than the norm.

 

 

 

You know very little to talk with such high confidence.

 

 

 

being it my opinuin I should hope I Have High confidence. And a good "Chuck" could be my point right there. since there is such a Churh Just down the Street is there one right down my street? And what "Extreame" Is what the kids go through to Please some Random persen named god for nothing.

 

 

 

Ghost it just seems that someone of your intelligence would be against Christians, rather than being one. I, for one, don't believe in it because of alot of reasons, one of them being that I really don't believe in any religion. I guess I believe that there is a higher power, but not one that anyone knows anything about. Christianity teaches good morals, I have to give it that. I don't know how to say much more without beginning to bash Christians..

 

 

 

So you are saying that Christians are too dumb to carry an an intelligent discussion?

 

 

 

I would go with that, anyone who Puts Religen into what they do or think during a day should just keep to himself or shut his mouth.

 

 

 

Jesus, Learn some friggin' grammar....

[Astralinre]

Takingthe bible to heart turns poeple into exreamists. its just crazy how they dont realize that they are kinda turning into terrorists.

 

 

 

Actually, adding to the Bible and twisting its words to back up your already extremist views makes you an extremist.

 

 

 

Taking the Bible to heart turns people into a different kind of extremist - someone who is extremely loving and genuine.

 

 

 

 

 

I'd like to challenge all those who are bashing Christianity. Learn what you're talking about. How many of you have sat down with a Bible and read it? I mean putting aside your biases, and not reading your opinion of Christianity back into it. Simply read it as you would read a book you know nothing about; then decide what you think about it based on what it teaches.

 

 

 

I know some of you have done that and still have objections to the Bible, but it's obvious that most people who constantly bash Christianity have no idea about its fundamental teachings.

[WutangFlu]

 

next thing you know there will be home-bred american terrorists with bombs strapped to their chest running into non-christain churches..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What the hell are you talking about? Please tell me, do you know absolutely anything about the Christian religion? I'd really be surprised if you were able to back up what you just said with a biblical quote. I didn't go to any of the links at the beginning, but unless there's something really ridiculous in it then there was absolutely no reason for you to say that, as it's ridiculous itself. Think before you post next time.

 

 

 

As a mater of fact I did think.

 

Dont jump to conclusions so fast if you, youself, didnt even look for the "Jesus Camp" trailer.

 

 

 

In the trailer ... im just going to roughly quote this

 

 

 

"How many of you would die for Jesus?!"

 

- - - *A bunch of kids raise hands, screaming and shouting.

 

 

 

In a sense they are brainwashing the young children to go out and preach their gospel to others as if violently by saying they would die for Jesus.

 

 

 

Real-world example now -

 

Terrorists dieing in the name of "Al-Lah" or whoever they worship...

 

 

 

Dont think it couldnt happen here in America, because it can.

 

These people, like I said, seemingly bringing up these children in a violent fashion -see bolded- could provoke some "Extremist" to take it to far and do something radical and kill/mame/murder ect ect.. - Example, Terrorist/Suicide bombing for a god they worship.

 

 

 

Other Quotes from the trailer.

 

"We are Gods army"

 

"This means war, this means war, are you apart of it or not?"

 

 

 

But for real, I watched the stuff, you yourself didnt as you said... so dont jump on my statement when you didnt even look.

[Guest GhostRanger]

I think what he's saying (and this isn't me saying it, so don't shoot me for clarifying) is that he thinks someone of as much intelligence as he perceives GhostRanger to be would take the time to look into the facts and decide that god doesn't exist.

 

 

 

Heh. The intelligence as he perceives me to have? :P I do think that's what he's saying and so I'll respond:

 

 

 

Thank you for saying that you believe me to be intelligent. And I think it's interesting that you think that someone of my intelligence would be against Christianity. One of the most brilliant minds of modern day was C.S. Lewis, and he was a passionate Christian apologist. I have yet to see any type of fact or detail that would disprove the existence of God for me, and even in my philosophical studies I have yet to find an argument against God that is compelling enough for me to stop believing. I wonder, BenBru, how much of the Bible you've read. I wonder how much research you have done on the side of Christianity, and not merely against it. I'm not saying you've done neither of both, but have you?

 

 

 

Ghost, we've given our opinions. What's yours? You just argue against our opinions, but you haven't said what you think.

 

 

 

What do I think? I thought I made that clear. It's a bunch of crazy extremists who don't exemplify the general Christian population or the teachings of Christ. I think that Christian terrorists are just as insane as Muslim terrorists and anyone should be arrested for teaching anyone, but children in particular, to "kill the infidels."

[____]

Am I the only person who watched it and still doesn't care either way?

 

Yea they seem a bit, off. But people are doing that already, so it makes no difference really :-?

[Barihawk]

I think what he's saying (and this isn't me saying it, so don't shoot me for clarifying) is that he thinks someone of as much intelligence as he perceives GhostRanger to be would take the time to look into the facts and decide that god doesn't exist.

 

 

 

I've done quite a bit of study and from that and my own life experiences I have found more reason to believe in a God than to not believe in Him.

[Vashinred]

Takingthe bible to heart turns poeple into exreamists. its just crazy how they dont realize that they are kinda turning into terrorists.

 

 

 

Actually, adding to the Bible and twisting its words to back up your already extremist views makes you an extremist.

 

 

 

Taking the Bible to heart turns people into a different kind of extremist - someone who is extremely loving and genuine.

 

 

 

 

 

I'd like to challenge all those who are bashing Christianity. Learn what you're talking about. How many of you have sat down with a Bible and read it? I mean putting aside your biases, and not reading your opinion of Christianity back into it. Simply read it as you would read a book you know nothing about; then decide what you think about it based on what it teaches.

 

 

 

I know some of you have done that and still have objections to the Bible, but it's obvious that most people who constantly bash Christianity have no idea about its fundamental teachings.

 

 

 

Sure, the Fundamentals are good but you don't have to belive in some Inviseble force to be kind and Genoruos. Without God poeple are much more interesting to talk to, and hopefully better Writers then I.

 

And what were talking about? Its Christainity and its usally easy to see what they Belive in. Reading the bible must be fun, but I can get Morals tought to me by other books.

[gonpost]

I think what he's saying (and this isn't me saying it, so don't shoot me for clarifying) is that he thinks someone of as much intelligence as he perceives GhostRanger to be would take the time to look into the facts and decide that god doesn't exist.

 

 

 

I've done quite a bit of study and from that and my own life experiences I have found more reason to believe in a God than to not believe in Him.

 

 

 

Really, barihawk?

 

 

 

I've learned a lot myself, and I have found more reason to not believe in God than to believe in him/her/it. I've also thought for myself quite a bit...

 

 

 

Life would be so easy if I believed in religion as much as some people do. Hell, even if I had as much faith as much as some people do.

[Viktorkrum77]

I'd like to challenge all those who are bashing Christianity. Learn what you're talking about. How many of you have sat down with a Bible and read it? I mean putting aside your biases, and not reading your opinion of Christianity back into it. Simply read it as you would read a book you know nothing about; then decide what you think about it based on what it teaches.

 

 

 

*Raises hand* I'm not sure about other people, but I have studied Christianity. I am confirmed, and took 2 years, during my 6th and 7th grade years, to go to classes every Wednesday night and learn about it. I also go to church from time to time to be a server and help out, and have been Lutheran since I was born.

 

 

 

Knowing that you're probably second guessing I'm really Athiest. But it is, more of a disguise I put on. I'm obligated to do it, so I do, they don't know the real me.

[Vashinred]

I'd like to challenge all those who are bashing Christianity. Learn what you're talking about. How many of you have sat down with a Bible and read it? I mean putting aside your biases, and not reading your opinion of Christianity back into it. Simply read it as you would read a book you know nothing about; then decide what you think about it based on what it teaches.

 

 

 

*Raises hand* I'm not sure about other people, but I have studied Christianity. I am confirmed, and took 2 years, during my 6th and 7th grade years, to go to classes every Wednesday night and learn about it. I also go to church from time to time to be a sever and help out, and have been Lutheran since I was born.

 

 

 

Knowing that you're probably second guessing I'm really Athiest. But it is, more of a disguise I put on. I'm obligated to do it, so I do, they don't know the real me.

 

Yeah, I am Frowned upon for not "beliveing" in some make Bealive man and his superpowers also.

 

 

 

I think what he's saying (and this isn't me saying it, so don't shoot me for clarifying) is that he thinks someone of as much intelligence as he perceives GhostRanger to be would take the time to look into the facts and decide that god doesn't exist.

 

 

 

I've done quite a bit of study and from that and my own life experiences I have found more reason to believe in a God than to not believe in Him.

 

 

 

Really, barihawk?

 

 

 

I've learned a lot myself, and I have found more reason to not believe in God than to believe in him/her/it. I've also thought for myself quite a bit...

 

 

 

Life would be so easy if I believed in religion as much as some people do. Hell, even if I had as much faith as much as some people do.

 

 

 

I'm going to Agree with you, It makes life much too easy, soon poeple just look at the Universe and say "God created it, even though there is no Evidince to support it, so why Wonder about the Cosmos when I could go waste my time at Church?."

 

 

 

Of course this is Extreame.

[bacab]

I'd like to challenge all those who are bashing Christianity. Learn what you're talking about. How many of you have sat down with a Bible and read it? I mean putting aside your biases, and not reading your opinion of Christianity back into it. Simply read it as you would read a book you know nothing about; then decide what you think about it based on what it teaches.

 

 

 

I've actually tried reading the bible, really, I have. But I can't. It gives me a headache to read it sometimes because it goes into these confusing sentence structures and there's alot of stuff that was obviously made up.

 

 

 

Reminds me of some of the posts I've seen on Runescape Fansites.

 

 

 

Anyway, have you read Revelations? If you're going to read anything out of the the Bible and nothing else read Revelations. I tried reading it. It was like . . . Oh ,the Lord stood there with 7 stars in his hand and a double edged sword out of his mouth oooh those with ears let him hear Jesus says la la la to the Churches of Asia and whatnot. And Wormwood and Apollyon and oooh God's gonna getcha! Ooooh locuts go nyah nyah nyaaaah to those without the seal of the Lord! And these things will happen sooooooon oooooh. :-s . . . really now . . . .

 

 

 

To me a religious war is a silly thing. It's like children in a sandbocks fighting over whose imaginary friend is cooler.

[kido14]

I'm just dissapointed that it makes all christians look like crazy people. And some people believe it.... :x

 

 

 

Agreed. I hate when people tell me they don't go to church because they don't like organized religion since it's composed of abunch of hypocrites. I can't blame them though when people are making crap like this.

[WutangFlu]

Vashinred.... Learn to spell please, it makes you look like a fool, and a child who knows not of proper grammar and spelling.

[jackalope14]

I'd like to challenge all those who are bashing Christianity. Learn what you're talking about. How many of you have sat down with a Bible and read it? I mean putting aside your biases, and not reading your opinion of Christianity back into it. Simply read it as you would read a book you know nothing about; then decide what you think about it based on what it teaches.

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, have you read Revelations? If you're going to read anything out of the the Bible and nothing else read Revelations. I tried reading it. It was like . . . Oh ,the Lord stood there with 7 stars in his hand and a double edged sword out of his mouth oooh those with ears let him hear Jesus says la la la to the Churches of Asia and whatnot. And Wormwood and Apollyon and oooh God's gonna getcha! Ooooh locuts go nyah nyah nyaaaah to those without the seal of the Lord! And these things will happen sooooooon oooooh. :-s . . . really now . . . .

 

 

 

To me a religious war is a silly thing. It's like children in a sandbocks fighting over whose imaginary friend is cooler.

 

 

 

Why would you just read one book in the bible? Thats like reading that last chapter of a novel and then judging the whole book on it. People are obviously gonna get a skewed perception of Christianity if they only read one part of the Bible like you suggest.

[pokemama]

[DISCLAIMER]

 

 

 

next thing you know there will be home-bred american terrorists with bombs strapped to their chest running into non-christain churches..

What the hell are you talking about? Please tell me, do you know absolutely anything about the Christian religion? I'd really be surprised if you were able to back up what you just said with a biblical quote. I didn't go to any of the links at the beginning, but unless there's something really ridiculous in it then there was absolutely no reason for you to say that, as it's ridiculous itself. Think before you post next time.

I realize LP's post was removed (probably for being inflammatory), but part of it was relevant. We *have* had people professing to be Christians shooting clinic doctors, bombing black churches, and other kinds of acts that are totally against Christian teachings. The Irish have been terrorizing each other (and England) for years over their respective Christian religions. Let's face it: history documents mass genocides performed in the name of the Prince of Peace :cry:. These evils don't represent Christianity!

 

 

 

What this proves is only that there are people who can and will take any decent religion and twist it into something hateful, believing themselves to be pious and correct. On a lower level, there are always people who are smug about their belief (or nonbelief!), broadcasting to all and sundry their conviction that they are somehow superior to those who believe otherwise.

 

 

 

(Tell the truth, non-believers - don't you also think you are superior, and that believers are sad and misguided? :lol: The "imaginary friend" phrase comes to mind. EDIT: And I wrote this before someone posted that!)

 

 

 

That doesn't mean that belief is wrong or twisted - it's a shame that our current society thinks it's "cool" not to have personal beliefs. I lay this wide-spreading attitude at the door of Hollywood, where many troubled people who don't believe in *anything* try to find purpose in their lives by becoming famous. But people without beliefs may end up living shallow, empty lives, constantly searching for something they can't find.

 

 

 

Regarding intelligence, however, I have news for ya. Studies show that 95% of SCIENTISTS (some of the smartest, most educated and most knowledgeable people in our government-sanctioned worship of the Scientific Method) believe in a Higher Power. People who study the world, life and it's origins come to believe that life and the Universe is *so* darn complex that it just couldn't be an accident. This isn't out of laziness - many are shocked when they get to that point, realizing there are questions that science simply can't answer.

 

 

 

Rotten things can happen to kids that make it extremely difficult to believe in a Higher Power - I don't mean things that get put in the newspaper - I mean things that keep a child from feeling secure. I personally didn't believe for most of my life; went through all the church ceremonies but stopped attending when I got too big for my parents to make me. I didn't go back for 13 years, then went one day (basically on a dare). I was stunned to find that I could feel comfortable in a church: a different one which reflected my beliefs much better than the religion in which I was raised.

 

 

 

I can't claim that belief will come to any of you. Nobody can show you "the facts" - that's the whole leap of religious belief. Accepting something that is fundamentally "unknowable" is a basic part of it - a duality that the Scientific Method just can't bend its' mind around, lol. Rather than being more rigid (as believers are typically portrayed), I think a mind has to be a lot more flexible to gain faith.

 

 

 

But hopefully you are being raised in a society that tolerates and tries to understand each others' beliefs (including believers learning to understand unbelievers, and vice versa!), and realizes that extremists don't represent the majority of believers.

 

 

 

[DISCLAIMER]

[Vashinred]

Vashinred.... Learn to spell please, it makes you look like a fool, and a child who knows not of proper grammar and spelling.

 

 

 

This Brings so much to the Disscussion...

 

 

 

And the 95% of Scientist Belive thing hurts me. Science and A Higher Power have nothing to do with each other, Thanks god they Havent Mixed yet...Oh Wait, Creationism.

 

 

 

And found Somthing while looking when the new Harry Potter will come out,

 

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/5012/5012_01.asp

[Barihawk]

I couldn't agree more with Pokemama.

 

 

 

It annoys me just as much as when people criticize Islam because of extremists there.

 

 

 

I am considered to be very Christian, but I can not stand Bible thumpers who preach thier own religion. I almost slapped a student at Uni who asked me if I was saved. I had told him yes and he asked me why he had not seen me at his church. Apparently, only his way of Christianity was correct and I was going to rot in hell...

 

 

 

The Christian faith needs to unify, but unfortunately that is not going to happen. I myself have lost a friend in Ireland (she was Catholic, walking her younger sister to school. They passed a Protestant church at the wrong time. An IRA car bomb went off and killed both of them, along with 33 others. Killed by extremists of thier own faith...)

[Nadril]

Am I the only person who watched it and still doesn't care either way?

 

Yea they seem a bit, off. But people are doing that already, so it makes no difference really :-?

 

 

 

Nah, i'm with you on this one too. They seem a bit.. loony, but nothing that hasen't happened before.

[Icingdeath]

Us Christians are just generally creepy people.

[Guest GhostRanger]

I'd like to challenge all those who are bashing Christianity. Learn what you're talking about. How many of you have sat down with a Bible and read it? I mean putting aside your biases, and not reading your opinion of Christianity back into it. Simply read it as you would read a book you know nothing about; then decide what you think about it based on what it teaches.

 

 

 

*Raises hand* I'm not sure about other people, but I have studied Christianity. I am confirmed, and took 2 years, during my 6th and 7th grade years, to go to classes every Wednesday night and learn about it. I also go to church from time to time to be a sever and help out, and have been Lutheran since I was born.

 

 

 

Knowing that you're probably second guessing I'm really Athiest. But it is, more of a disguise I put on. I'm obligated to do it, so I do, they don't know the real me.

 

 

 

First off, I don't consider the education of a 12 or 13 year old to be "studying Christianity." Second, can I really believed you've studied Christianity that much when you are the same person who constantly misquotes the Constitution and thought the President had veto power over the Supreme Court? I'm doubtful...

 

 

 

EDIT:

 

 

 

Anyway, have you read Revelations? If you're going to read anything out of the the Bible and nothing else read Revelations. I tried reading it. It was like . . . Oh ,the Lord stood there with 7 stars in his hand and a double edged sword out of his mouth oooh those with ears let him hear Jesus says la la la to the Churches of Asia and whatnot. And Wormwood and Apollyon and oooh God's gonna getcha! Ooooh locuts go nyah nyah nyaaaah to those without the seal of the Lord! And these things will happen sooooooon oooooh. Eh? . . . really now . . . .

 

 

 

I'm absolutely positive that Astra has read Revelations. In fact, I would presume she's read the entire Bible, although I haven't asked her.

 

 

 

You do show a lack of studying though - Revelations was a dream. There is a pretty big division in the church right now of those who believe it's a literal prophecy, and those who believe the dream is symbolic - like other dreams that have been written about in the Bible. It's not necessarily what's actually going to happen...but it could! :P

[insane]

Vashinred.... Learn to spell please, it makes you look like a fool, and a child who knows not of proper grammar and spelling.

 

 

 

Science and A Higher Power have nothing to do with each other

 

 

 

This coming from the person that believes science disproves God...

 

 

 

 

 

ON TOPIC: As a Christian, the trailer intrigues me. I kind of want to see it, but I kind of don't. Seeing it wouldn't really enlighten me, it would kind of just... embarrass me in a sense. But it would be interesting.