Guest druvovic Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 i donÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâôt believe in god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
me Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 I believe that there may be a god, but I am not convinced by any of the current religions theories. I also believe there may not be a god, and that a higher power may not be anything like us humans at all - it might not even be very clever. Mechscape World (the original MechScape fansite) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insane Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 are we not a bit off subject here? :roll: god(s) are the "reasoning" many people put behind things they can not explane Wow...i figured you would have used your time off to learn to spell. :roll: I believe there was a god at one time. Wether it really exists? That I am undecided on. I love how he spelt one word wrong and you jumped all over him. You then proceed to spell 'whether' wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usara Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 I do not believe in any god, I believe in the science.Science does need something "greater" then what is possible according to science in order to support it's existence. Let's go back in time. Back all the way to the beginning! *booooooooom!!!!* the big-bang! What caused the big bang? an imploding universe? What caused this imploding universe? What caused that? It's an endless line of cause and effect. This would mean that there is no beginning. Something without a beginning? Doesn't that sound as something not from this world as something that is impossible? Or was there a beginning that had no cause? I'd say something without a beginning or cause is definately supernatural. There is No way to describe t=0 without the description being supernatural. It can't be explained by science because there can be no causality at t=0. The funny thing is that we can never know what t=0 really is. How can we know of something that we cannot understand with normal logic whether it really is the beginning or something that happened after the beginning?? this supernatural beginning could be the christian god or whatever you want it to be, if you believe that bush created everything then I got no way to prove that you're wrong. For me that means that I respect all different faiths as long as they do not claim to be the one and only true religion. What I believe in is pretty much Spinoza's pantheÃÆÃâÃâïsm with as "super natural beginning" the formation of laws of nature. But well like I said I can't really know :P btw: the da vinci code is a GREAT book I can recommend it to everyone. the bernini mysterie written by the same person is also a great book What created the creator? You cant use and argument to support your cause when your argument defeats your cause at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HugATree Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 I do not believe in any god, I believe in the science.Science does need something "greater" then what is possible according to science in order to support it's existence. Let's go back in time. Back all the way to the beginning! *booooooooom!!!!* the big-bang! What caused the big bang? This cuts both ways, saying God did it is an excuse to avoid the question. As far as science needing something greater, its a method of finding answers using evidence. What "greater" thing did you have in mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad4u689 Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 I do not believe in any god, I believe in the science.Science does need something "greater" then what is possible according to science in order to support it's existence. Let's go back in time. Back all the way to the beginning! *booooooooom!!!!* the big-bang! What caused the big bang? an imploding universe? What caused this imploding universe? What caused that? It's an endless line of cause and effect. This would mean that there is no beginning. Something without a beginning? Doesn't that sound as something not from this world as something that is impossible? Or was there a beginning that had no cause? I'd say something without a beginning or cause is definately supernatural. There is No way to describe t=0 without the description being supernatural. It can't be explained by science because there can be no causality at t=0. The funny thing is that we can never know what t=0 really is. How can we know of something that we cannot understand with normal logic whether it really is the beginning or something that happened after the beginning?? this supernatural beginning could be the christian god or whatever you want it to be, if you believe that bush created everything then I got no way to prove that you're wrong. For me that means that I respect all different faiths as long as they do not claim to be the one and only true religion. What I believe in is pretty much Spinoza's pantheÃÆÃâÃâïsm with as "super natural beginning" the formation of laws of nature. But well like I said I can't really know :P btw: the da vinci code is a GREAT book I can recommend it to everyone. the bernini mysterie written by the same person is also a great book We all assume that something can continue on into infinity. We beleive that there can be eternity, that time can continue without ending - that once there is a beginning, an initial cause, the chain of events can continue forever. Then why can't you believe that there is a negative infinity time? That the universe has just always been? It doesn't even have to be a straight line of chain of events - it could be a huge cycle. Or it could be a number line, extending infinitely in either direction. But don't try to use the cause and effect argument as proof. -.- Everybody hug and spread the love :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insane Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 Then why can't you believe that there is a negative infinity time? That the universe has just always been? The second law of thermodynamics states that given enough time, all matter will break down into it's smallest possible particles. Surely eternity is enough time ;). The universe still seems to be somewhat structured :). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usara Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 Then why can't you believe that there is a negative infinity time? That the universe has just always been? The second law of thermodynamics states that given enough time, all matter will break down into it's smallest possible particles. Surely eternity is enough time ;). The universe still seems to be somewhat structured :). I like mad's loop idea, Reminds me of homers theory of a doughnut shaped universe :lol: . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zed Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 Well. If there really is god, it doesn't matter if you believe in him or not becouse it won't change anything. :lol: ;ASD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattSinclair Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 yes i believe in god, hes my ruler! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lund Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 i do believe in god but in my own way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_redwarrior1h Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 yah i belive in God, i would rather lose nothing then everything.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robtokill Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 WHY?! WHY DID YOU HAVE TO MAKE THIS POST AGAIN?! *sighs and waits for 50 pages of religious arguments* [Mod Edit:] Don't let me see you writing that again. ~Meesy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astralinre Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 WHY?! WHY DID YOU HAVE TO MAKE THIS POST AGAIN?! *sighs and waits for 50 pages of religious arguments* also... christians are idiots :) Two words: Shut up. That was uncalled for and extremely immature. I also have a question for atheist here. If there is no God, no life after death, and no greater purpose to life than preserving the species, then why argue against God? After I die, if there is no God to wake up to, then I won't think of my life as wasted. I believed in a greater purpose and was a better person because of it. But if there is a God, you will wake up to find that you were very wrong. God hates nothing more than seeing people go to hell. He wants everyone to come to Him, but he lets us choose our own fate. "In so far as I am Man I am the chief of creatures. In so far as I am a man I am the chief of sinners." - G.K. Chesterton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vape Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 christians are idiots :)Christians are not idiots. neither are muslims, jews, buddhists, hindus, atheists or anyone else. Stereotyping such as this is what ruins the lives of many. It's like me saying there are people called who are idiots, and therefore you are. It's just not true. I also have a question for atheist here. If there is no God, no life after death, and no greater purpose to life than preserving the species, then why argue against God? After I die, if there is no God to wake up to, then I won't think of my life as wasted. I believed in a greater purpose and was a better person because of it. But if there is a God, you will wake up to find that you were very wrong. God hates nothing more than seeing people go to hell. He wants everyone to come to Him, but he lets us choose our own fate.How does dedicating your life to god make you a better person in this life? People can quite easily inspire hope, give to charities, volunteer and otherwise make their lives valuable without being religious. People can abide by religious ethics without being religious. Where the bloody hell are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snyper_freak Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 dont think so.. its just not believable.. but that doesnt mean i dont accept other peoples views Rsn: snyper jr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnySmum Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 How does dedicating your life to god make you a better person in this life? People can quite easily inspire hope, give to charities, volunteer and otherwise make their lives valuable without being religious. People can abide by religious ethics without being religious. I'd disagree with that. Drawing on my own experience, I've never met an atheist who fully bases his/her life on a practise of "higher morality", if you will. I suppose it's because if a person has no motivation to actively do what a religion says is good, they'll eventually give up. Moreover, most religions have as a central command that you worhsip their god, and that all the other good things you do are useless without this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HugATree Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 How does dedicating your life to god make you a better person in this life? People can quite easily inspire hope, give to charities, volunteer and otherwise make their lives valuable without being religious. People can abide by religious ethics without being religious. I'd disagree with that. Drawing on my own experience, I've never met an atheist who fully bases his/her life on a practise of "higher morality", if you will. I suppose it's because if a person has no motivation to actively do what a religion says is good, they'll eventually give up. Moreover, most religions have as a central command that you worhsip their god, and that all the other good things you do are useless without this. "higher morality" is relative to whatever religion the person follows. This kind of thinking makes it easy for religious extremists to start wars, kill, torture, and other atrocities. Its a righteous duty, as you said their central command is their God, and from this if their God says its ok then its ok. Higher morality from a religious view doesn't mean benefit to everyone, only benefit to your beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HugATree Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 I also have a question for atheist here. If there is no God, no life after death, and no greater purpose to life than preserving the species, then why argue against God? After I die, if there is no God to wake up to, then I won't think of my life as wasted. I believed in a greater purpose and was a better person because of it. But if there is a God, you will wake up to find that you were very wrong. God hates nothing more than seeing people go to hell. He wants everyone to come to Him, but he lets us choose our own fate. A God doesn't mean the Biblical God, so you can't predict who'll be in the wrong. You may find yourself to be one of them, if whatever God finds you guilty of misleading people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meesy Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 Please people don't call people from any religion "idiots" or "crack heads" unless you can back that up with one good argument. Which you can't, so stop it. Member of #darkwebz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vape Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 Drawing on my own experience, I've never met an atheist who fully bases his/her life on a practise of "higher morality", if you will. I suppose it's because if a person has no motivation to actively do what a religion says is good, they'll eventually give up. Moreover, most religions have as a central command that you worhsip their god, and that all the other good things you do are useless without this.When i said abiding by religious ethics i meant everything except the worshipping of a god, sorry if that wasn't clear. And atheists may want to be ethical simply because they personally believe it is 'right.' Or because of the respect it will grant them from society. Certainly, many atheists are un-ethical, but that doesn't mean they all are. Similarly, many religious people are un-ethical by most peoples' standards - people have been doing horrible things in the name of religion for thousands of years. ~Cameron Where the bloody hell are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Charlie Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 Yes, I do, and I'm not going to write an essay, so I'm leaving it at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke_Freedom Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 I do not believe in any god, I believe in the science.Science does need something "greater" then what is possible according to science in order to support it's existence. Let's go back in time. Back all the way to the beginning! *booooooooom!!!!* the big-bang! What caused the big bang? This cuts both ways, saying God did it is an excuse to avoid the question. As far as science needing something greater, its a method of finding answers using evidence. What "greater" thing did you have in mind? Exactly, that's what I ment with the god of thunder example. People make up a god as excuse to avoid the question, and to explain something they can't explain yet. I must agree with Purecheese though, it doesn't have to be so that the science will explain everything. Mankind might just not be capable to understand the deeper logics behind this all, but then again - that's no reason to say there's a god, unless your definition of god is different from mine. Another problem is that you simply can't discuss the existing of god with people who begin with the reasoning that god exists... The value of my bank at its height. Estimated value at the peak of the rares market: 250 billion+.Most likely the largest trade in RuneScape ever. Estimated value at the peak of the rares market: 70 billion+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purecheese Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 Well, most people didn't completely understand my argument. I was trying to say that we cannot possibly explain the beginning or the fact that there is no beginning with the logic and laws that apply to the world we live in nowadays. (that's eleminating certain answers as correct, not giving an answer to the question) For me anything that cannot be explained by the laws of nature that apply to the world nowadays is something "devine" or "greater". Something which you can also call a god. Not neciscerally (sp??) the christian god. but god as being something that doesn't obey to the laws of nature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usara Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 Creation is like this Unintelligent inanimate object coming into being through a simple process, implosion, explosion and renewal? V Intelligent being capible of doing everything and knowing everything coming into being and making something so infinetly complex, AND manage to design it in a way that life forms. Which seems more plausible? Inta-Chicken? Or bacteria mutating into a nucleus, forming a protective cover where an embryo grows inside, producing an animal that with enough procreation, gives us the chicken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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