December 14, 200619 yr Some believe that God created man in his own image. If so, these people believe he has the same traits as his creations. I think that God may have done this, but he does not have hatred. The Bible, Ezekiel 9:5[/url]":3egnkp5v] The LORD said to him, "Go through the midst of the city, even through the midst of Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and groan over all the abominations which are being committed in its midst." 5 But to the others He said in my hearing, "Go through the city after him and strike; do not let your eye have pity and do not spare. 6 "Utterly slay old men, young men, maidens, little children, and women, but do not touch any man on whom is the mark; and you shall start from My sanctuary." So they started with the elders who were before the temple. 7 And He said to them, "Defile the temple and fill the courts with the slain. Go out!" Thus they went out and struck down the people in the city. That was a direct commandment from the God you believe in. How does he not hate like humans do? God is infallible, but his creations are not. But even God can't escape logical fallacies. If God exists and is almighty, he still cannot create a stone so big even he himself can't lift it. If he does, he didn't create an unliftable stone. If he doesn't, he simply isn't capable. And that's just one example.
December 14, 200619 yr But even God can't escape logical fallacies. If God exists and is almighty, he still cannot create a stone so big even he himself can't lift it. If he does, he didn't create an unliftable stone. If he doesn't, he simply isn't capable. And that's just one example. That situation is nonsensical. But let's pretend it's a legitimate question. The answer is: God is almighty, but not all-doing. God cannot sin, God cannot change, etc. And God cannot contradict his being (aka. create something that is outside of his power).
December 14, 200619 yr But even God can't escape logical fallacies. If God exists and is almighty, he still cannot create a stone so big even he himself can't lift it. If he does, he didn't create an unliftable stone. If he doesn't, he simply isn't capable. And that's just one example. That situation is nonsensical. But let's pretend it's a legitimate question. The answer is: God is almighty, but not all-doing. God cannot sin, God cannot change, etc. And God cannot contradict his being (aka. create something that is outside of his power). Of course it's nonsensical, it's a theoretical approach which God can't fulfill. And God cannot contradict his being (aka. create something that is outside of his power) If there is even theoretically something 'out of his power', he is not almighty.
December 14, 200619 yr If god doesn't exist s\he\it cannot hate. :) Mmmkay, Basic premise of Christianity: { Correct me if i'm wrong } I) 1) God created the Universe, Humanity, etc 2) God is Perfect. 3) God is Omnipotent ( All knowing ), Ominibenevolent ( All loving ) and all powerful. 4) God created us in his\her\its image. - We all have the capacity to hate. - Ergo God is capable of hate { See 4 } If hate is imperfect, then God is imperfect? If God designed us to be capable of hate, thus allowing us to hurt each other and 'sin', he is not Omnibenevolent? If God is All knowing and All powerful, but does not stop us from sinning, thus condeming us to hell etc, isn't he guilty of Hate or at the very least Apathy? If God is capable of hate or apathy, why not hypocrisy? ' If a man smotes you upon the cheek, turn to him the other. (may be a misquote) ' Yet God condemns us all to Hell if we Sin? Also, If a man commits good acts yet is not allowed into Heaven because of his lack of belief in God, is God not demonstrating a kind of hate, or at least enourmous vanity? II) Premise: God is Perfect. 1) Can a perfect being create something that is imperfect? - It can if it wants to? Is this not illogical? If a perfect being creates an imperfect thing, isn't it guilty of imperfection? If you argue that the Universe is Perfect, then you must acknowledge that Hate aswell as Love are perfect. Thus, If God were 'Perfect' he would possess Hate. Communism is not fit for humans. We are not good enough for it. Tip.It is officially Red. o.0
December 14, 200619 yr Author If god doesn't exist s\he\it cannot hate. Mmmkay, Basic premise of Christianity: { Correct me if i'm wrong } I) 1) God created the Universe, Humanity, etc 2) God is Perfect. 3) God is Omnipotent ( All knowing ), Ominibenevolent ( All loving ) and all powerful. 4) God created us in his\her\its image. - We all have the capacity to hate. - Ergo God is capable of hate { See 4 } If hate is imperfect, then God is imperfect? If God designed us to be capable of hate, thus allowing us to hurt each other and 'sin', he is not Omnibenevolent? If God is All knowing and All powerful, but does not stop us from sinning, thus condeming us to hell etc, isn't he guilty of Hate or at the very least Apathy? If God is capable of hate or apathy, why not hypocrisy? ' If a man smotes you upon the cheek, turn to him the other. (may be a misquote) ' Yet God condemns us all to Hell if we Sin? Also, If a man commits good acts yet is not allowed into Heaven because of his lack of belief in God, is God not demonstrating a kind of hate, or at least enourmous vanity? II) Premise: God is Perfect. 1) Can a perfect being create something that is imperfect? - It can if it wants to? Is this not illogical? If a perfect being creates an imperfect thing, isn't it guilty of imperfection? If you argue that the Universe is Perfect, then you must acknowledge that Hate aswell as Love are perfect. Thus, If God were 'Perfect' he would possess Hate. well argued and relevant to the topic, :)
December 14, 200619 yr *Glows w\ warm fuzies* :lol: For further reading vist: http://www.infidels.org en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism http://www.positiveatheism.org http://www.carm.org/atheism.htm ( Completely unbiased view here. :-w ) Have fun :P Communism is not fit for humans. We are not good enough for it. Tip.It is officially Red. o.0
December 15, 200619 yr How can it be a 'misconception' if you haven't seen him personally? I think if he exists, he is a huge guy with a white beard, a staff and a shining white cloak, and angry eyes. Kind of like Zeus, but instead of thunderstorms he prefers throwing down floods when he's angry or bored. :lol: ...you are thinking of him as a being, not as an entity. Try thinking of god as if he himself was life and nature, rather than controling them. Things make a lot more since.
December 15, 200619 yr The Bible is full of examples of God's capability of hatred. They just don't teach you that part in church. God loves everyone...Unless you're a first born Egyptian child whom had nothing to do with the Pharoh at the time "enslaving Jews" to which there is no evidence of happening in the first place. Egyptian's kept records of EVERYTHING, so...Plus, what the hell? Moses just walts' up to the PHAROH OF EGYPT and says "Let *my* people go." and the Pharoh says "No." and turns him away? Why was Moses not enslaved if he too was a Jew? That's convenient for the hero of the story, innit? Just an example. The Bible is full of stuff like that, but they choose to teach the whole "Jesus loves you" thing over everything else. The popularity of any given religion today depends on the victories of the wars they fought in the past. - Me!
December 15, 200619 yr Author "Jesus loves you" thing over everything else. your absolutely right, i went to a christian school and that was the absolute focus of anything related to the religion... wierd really. almost a cult of personality thing going on with jesus christ...
December 15, 200619 yr Nick_6464 wrote: He creates all humans. Yet some are born with cancer and other illnesses. Definitly hate. Not a very good argument. You believe that everyone is entitled to a perfect life? (Not saying that those who have cancer can't still have a blessed life. . .but that's for another topic.) i believe that people are at least entitled to being born without life-altering/threatening illnesses. Well if you believe in God, God will think differently, he can do anything he wants and you puny humans can't stop him. Triple posting for the lose? Bubsa wrote: Come on, flooding and killing the entire world? Harsh dude. He only did that because he loves us! did it ever occur to anyone that god himself is a sinner? he flodded the world, right?, made the plagues, consequently people were murdured. Surely he knew this, or he wouldnt be god, right? he murdured people... :-k last time i knew, that is a sin. u rekon those people who died in the flood went to heaven? But what if God has the right to give and take away life, and the wisdom to know when it is appropriate or necessary to do so? If so, He's merely exercising what is within his right; that's not a sin, is it? Yeah, God made us, and God can kill us. If God wants to be sadistic, kind, unfair, mean, God can do w/e he wants. he flodded the world, right?, made the plagues, consequently people were murdured. Surely he knew this, or he wouldnt be god, right? The world was only perfect for a short time. When Adam and Eve sinned, an imperfect world began. God is a loving God, but He also judges his creation. God loves every human, but He is the antithesis of sin, which He hates. he murdured people... Think last time i knew, that is a sin. u rekon those people who died in the flood went to heaven? The whole reason for the flood was to take the ungodly people from the earth, and Noah, who was a follower of God, was spared from death. Bit off-topic but wouldn't we all be totally screwed up if only Noah and a few other people survive. The only way the animals and the humans could survive was incest. So why arn't we screwed up? or maybe we already are? Some believe that God created man in his own image. If so, these people believe he has the same traits as his creations. I think that God may have done this, but he does not have hatred. The Bible, Ezekiel 9:5[/url]":1t0mhr9i] The LORD said to him, "Go through the midst of the city, even through the midst of Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and groan over all the abominations which are being committed in its midst." 5 But to the others He said in my hearing, "Go through the city after him and strike; do not let your eye have pity and do not spare. 6 "Utterly slay old men, young men, maidens, little children, and women, but do not touch any man on whom is the mark; and you shall start from My sanctuary." So they started with the elders who were before the temple. 7 And He said to them, "Defile the temple and fill the courts with the slain. Go out!" Thus they went out and struck down the people in the city. That was a direct commandment from the God you believe in. How does he not hate like humans do? God is infallible, but his creations are not. But even God can't escape logical fallacies. If God exists and is almighty, he still cannot create a stone so big even he himself can't lift it. If he does, he didn't create an unliftable stone. If he doesn't, he simply isn't capable. And that's just one example. God hates humans sinning so he kills them. Oh and I remember something from the Simpsons about this. Could God make a burrito so hot, that he himself could not eat it?
December 15, 200619 yr Author Yeah, God made us, and God can kill us. If God wants to be sadistic, kind, unfair, mean, God can do w/e he wants. the bible builds up god/jesus to be none of those things(bold)... and yet the world we live in makes it seem he has them
December 15, 200619 yr I suppose he could if he wanted to but thats the point; he doesn't so he can but he doesn't thats like alot of things in life? ya? : Listen to the mighty words of Bloodredsword. Tip it MGC Xbox live leader board!
December 15, 200619 yr Seems to be a kind of paradox. Similar to "Can god create a rock so heavy he cannot lift it?" or "can god create another omnipoten being?"
December 16, 200619 yr Author see this is the thing i dont get about god, and his choice to create us (if u believe christianity) he created us in his image, but we sinned, and he punished us for it? that seems mighty hipocritic to me. its like breeding dogs and kicking the one that isnt the right colour you wanted.. but seriously, i just cant understand that.. i welcome anyone to clarify this for me. it just occured to me, its like god hates us so much, that he created us specifically to kill ourselves. created in the image of god, we hate each other so much that we become the creators and make guns,bombs and nuclear weapons for the sole purpose of killing.... heavy. :shock: i'd be interested to get a christian perspective so i can be reassured that this isnt the way god operates (even though im not a christian).
December 16, 200619 yr i'd be interested to get a christian perspective so i can be reassured that this isnt the way god operates (even though im not a christian). Which God? There are thousands...
December 16, 200619 yr Christianity doesn't have a unique God either. It is shared by all 3 abrahamic religions, just in different names.
December 16, 200619 yr Author Christianity doesn't have a unique God either. It is shared by all 3 abrahamic religions, just in different names. ok, give me your opinion on my above comment then.
December 16, 200619 yr You said, i'd be interested to get a christian perspective so i can be reassured that this isnt the way god operates Nobody can "reassure" you God does or doensn't do this or that, they just have beliefs. The christian belief is that their God gave everybody free will, and apparently, through all of history, humans have exploited it for their own personal gain, blood and wars. It doesn't say in the Bible he wants humans to kill each other, but he does act as a legal hitman and orders his minions to kill and wipe out entire nations, and specifically orders the killing of elderly people, women and children in certain passages of the Bible (see Ezekiel 9:5 for example).
December 16, 200619 yr Author You said, Quote: i'd be interested to get a christian perspective so i can be reassured that this isnt the way god operates Nobody can "reassure" you God does or doensn't do this or that, they just have beliefs. The christian belief is that their God gave everybody free will, and apparently, through all of history, humans have exploited it for their own personal gain, blood and wars. It doesn't say in the Bible he wants humans to kill each other, but he does act as a legal hitman and orders his minions to kill and wipe out entire nations, and specifically orders the killing of elderly people, women and children in certain passages of the Bible (see Ezekiel 9:5 for example). i asked for a perspective, not the divine insight of 'god' himself. so thanks, for your opinions.
December 16, 200619 yr You said, Quote: i'd be interested to get a christian perspective so i can be reassured that this isnt the way god operates Nobody can "reassure" you God does or doensn't do this or that, they just have beliefs. The christian belief is that their God gave everybody free will, and apparently, through all of history, humans have exploited it for their own personal gain, blood and wars. It doesn't say in the Bible he wants humans to kill each other, but he does act as a legal hitman and orders his minions to kill and wipe out entire nations, and specifically orders the killing of elderly people, women and children in certain passages of the Bible (see Ezekiel 9:5 for example). i asked for a perspective :lol: But this is pointless because I understand you're just looking for opinions. There are some christians here like Astralinre (should still be!), wait until they reply.
December 16, 200619 yr Author mate, if a genuine christian gives me a valid opinion, i.e. bible verses, personal knowlege etc, i will value that and take it on board. ok? reassurance dosent need proof.
December 16, 200619 yr Christianity doesn't have a unique God either. It is shared by all 3 abrahamic religions, just in different names. I thought that too until either Ghost proved me wrong or John lied. Trix.--quit WoW as of 12/07Thank you 4be2jue for the wonderful sig and avatar!
December 16, 200619 yr Christianity doesn't have a unique God either. It is shared by all 3 abrahamic religions, just in different names. I thought that too until either Ghost proved me wrong or John lied. He didn't prove you wrong. He fed you what the church feeds him. That all the beings are one "because God has the power to be down like that". :roll: The popularity of any given religion today depends on the victories of the wars they fought in the past. - Me!
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