January 26, 200719 yr About your "disenfranchisement" of African Americans, you make a poor case, and I, for one, resent your implication. African Americans can follow instructions as well as anyone else, and just because a particular group lives in a region does not give anyone cause to blame all problems on that group. You are presupposing that the average African American is incapable of punching a hole in paper with instructions right in front of him, while anyone else is capable of this feat. This is racism, pure and simple, and any African American should resent your implication. Actually I implied nothing such as that. Infact televison news programmes said that exact thing when arguing for Bush. Other areas that where mostly white dominated where given another ballot card if they made a mistake. In major black communities they where not (around 90% of black people vote against the republican party). So much so that the U.S Civil Rights Commission got involved and concluded that out of 179,855 ballots that didn't count 53% where from black voters (when the group are a minority). Overall in Florida a black person was 10 times more likley to have their vote rejected than a white voter. Edit: Here's a page which will explain the Sunni and Shiite situation in Iraq http://www.albionmonitor.com/0604a/iraqsunnishiite.html With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed.
January 26, 200719 yr a bunch of people talking about things that are never going to get done :-k Lastfm
January 26, 200719 yr Actually I implied nothing such as that. Infact televison news programmes said that exact thing when arguing for Bush. Other areas that where mostly white dominated where given another ballot card if they made a mistake. In major black communities they where not (around 90% of black people vote against the republican party). So much so that the U.S Civil Rights Commission got involved and concluded that out of 179,855 ballots that didn't count 53% where from black voters (when the group are a minority). Overall in Florida a black person was 10 times more likley to have their vote rejected than a white voter. I doubt that I imagined the implication. You stated two facts, that Gadsden County had a higher spoil rate(I assume you meant higher that average), and that Gadsden County contained more black people(again, I assumed you meant more than average, please correct me if I'm wrong). We also know that Gadsden County has a higher than average population of rednecks, but I'm sure that did not come up. Gadsden county has a higher than average rate of people living on welfare, but that did not come up, either. You were definitely trying to say that African Americans were responsible for the hanging chads, mispunched cards, etc. About the lack of extra cards given. If you know of one poll worker who withheld a card from ANYONE when they were asked for one, you need to report that worker to the police. That is a federal crime. Please forgive me if I question deeply the information that African American poll workers (Check it out, they were) refused voting privileges to other African Americans. About the 53%, did the USCRC count names? No, they did not. They cannot, due to federal law. So how did they know how many were African American? :-k Big problem. Read your site. Interesting read. Very interesting. :-k When you are learning, you are growing. If you stop learning, you stop growing. If you stop growing, you die. Train hard, eat fried chicken, and take a one-a-day. (And cook that broccoli 'til it's yella and pour cheese all over it)
January 27, 200719 yr Here's some links to the report you may find interesting. First Hand Accounts - http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/vote2000/report/ch2.htm and here's the main page to the reprt which is very long :| http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/vote2000/report/main.htm With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed.
January 27, 200719 yr Considering oil and fossile fuel burning is a major contributer to global warming. Yeah, so is breathing, you idiot. I think all humans should kill themselves just to save the enviroment. Especially when it's getting guzzled by egoccentric idiots who drive gas guzzling SUV's or Stupid Ugly Vehicles. Egocentric idiots? What does that even mean? Try driving a family on vacation in a two-door Beatle. It doesn't work. That's not being egocentric, some people do it because they need to. SUV's or Stupid Ugly Vehicles. You're so silly. Shake off the dust... arise.
January 27, 200719 yr I'm fine with everyone driving gigantic SUVs and Hummers as long as the automotive companies try to develop an environment-friendly fuel. Global Warming is no small issue.
January 27, 200719 yr Wow. This is basically all I can say to all of the democrats that are posting here. Bush is a good president. He will go down in history as one of the best. But all of the [wagon] democrats I've talked to naturally say, "Bush is over there to steal oil! He is greedy like all republicans and owns the oil companies and just wants the oil!" OR "He just went over there to find nuc's that never existed." Oh, and the most famous ones of all: "We went to Iraq for nothing. It was afganistan we wanted!" "The troops hate it over there. Just watch the news. Even the Iraqies don't want us over there!" Well, let's think for a moment. The first quote I put up. All of you democrats, STFU. You are ignorant if you believe the first one. He went over there for ONE reason, same with the other's were I shall recap on later. The second one. Well, I agree. But at the same time, they might have them. So we may never know. You aren't ignorant if you think this; you are naturally forgetting. Again, after the last one, I'll tell of what I mean by "Forget." The thrid one. OkAY...Listen to me, you [developmentally delayed]ed Democrats. We hade solid EVIDENCE (And if you don't understand that word, go get a dictionary, and if you are poor on welfare and don't own a dictionary, than up yours) that they were the ones. Ones of what? Forgetful you are... Last but not least...I think is the most rediculous, next to bush is over there for oil. Okay, I have a cousin that is fighting over there. When he came back, he said "Dammit, don't listen to the media, please. They are liars, they don't want you to know the truth." It's true. The media makes up lies...Because, obviosly, they are democrats! The Iraqies want us over there...And think about it...Who's the man who commited mass genocide? No, not Osama Bin Laden, you idiot... His name is Saddam Whosain...I spelt his last name wrong on purpose, because he sucks...And we went over there to help the people who were being killed because a man willed it. That's when we found out who those damn hijackers were. Ya, now you remember. All of the quotes I put up, everything traces back to 9/11, the one excuse for Democrat's to blame bush. You Democrats...You just don't get it? Like I said, every Democrat I talked to has said to me we shouldn't be over there. "Well," I said in anger, "Then were did the hiikackers originally hail from?" "Afganistan. Duh," said the Democrat. "No. We have proof of the hiijackers coming from Iraq. And there is another reason we went over there, too---" He cut me off. "But they never wanted us over there!" "Wrong. They wanted our help because they were getting slaughtered. You are an ignorant sunnava [You know the rest] and should stop believing media." "But they are right." "No," said I, "My cous' over there says different, and so do I. Nw, retreat to your [kitty] democrat group over there. You should all go back with the yuppies that spat in our troops faces after they kissed the ground from Vietnam." With a frown on his face, he left. Boy, was he angry. True story. And that's ALL I have to say. All solid evidence. C'mon, try to argue with me. Hoping to get a new Signature (with matching avatar) soon. :D In the meantime...Steam username: )I'll rewrite it later (add me if you want)
January 29, 200719 yr Satenza, I read your links. Imagine my surprise when I found that I know one of the quoted people! Mrs. DeSouza is the mother of one of my friends! I remember they were pretty mad about that election. I was in one of those precincts where odd things happened, too. It seems like that sort of thing has been happening for as long as I can remember, though. I remember voting absentee on that election, because I knew it was going to be rough. My sister ended up waiting in line for about 4 hours because she didn't get her absentee ballot. They were checking credentials very rigidly on the way in, and there was required to be a democratic and a republican checker(or whatever they call them) at the door of every precinct. I talked to quite a few people who the checkers sent away for not having their registration card. This sort of thing has been happening as far back as I can remember in our area, though. I guess by and large, we're just used to it. In our precinct, though, it didn't seem like African-Americans were targeted; if anything, they were given better treatment. I remember several elderly African-Americans who were let to the front of the line, because of the 2-5 hour wait. Perhaps this is why I find your claims of disenfranchisement hard to swallow. I realise now that, while these seeming disenfranchisements were normal at our precinct, others might not have been accustomed to them. This is probably the cause of the mass complaints. I, for one, agree with the complaints. We desparately need voting reform, and I was/am quite angry along with my friend that his mother was not get allowed to vote. This is not cause to hate President Bush, though, or to disparage his speech. This is cause to start election reform in Florida, so that everyone will be able to vote, and be able to vote more easily and comfortably. Elect me for Governor :thumbsup: :lol: Just kidding. I have the political backfire of a bean-filled dragon :oops: About that political partisianship, though, sephiroth, wow :shock: Somebody needs to settle down. Nobody's automatically evil for their choice of political parties. Not to mention that I've heard almost as many Republicans as Democrats saying all the things you've just quoted. So, :-$ calm down, count to ten, and re-post in such a manner that does not offend the current majority of the United States. When you are learning, you are growing. If you stop learning, you stop growing. If you stop growing, you die. Train hard, eat fried chicken, and take a one-a-day. (And cook that broccoli 'til it's yella and pour cheese all over it)
January 29, 200719 yr But offence is not justification for censorship! With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed.
January 29, 200719 yr But offence is not justification for censorship! Yes, but Ad hominem is. When you are learning, you are growing. If you stop learning, you stop growing. If you stop growing, you die. Train hard, eat fried chicken, and take a one-a-day. (And cook that broccoli 'til it's yella and pour cheese all over it)
January 29, 200719 yr I'm not attacking anyone personally. With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed.
January 29, 200719 yr I'm not attacking anyone personally. Which offence and censorship were you talking about? I assumed you were talking about the little excerpt to sephiroth. I didn't mean you were attacking anyone personally. When you are learning, you are growing. If you stop learning, you stop growing. If you stop growing, you die. Train hard, eat fried chicken, and take a one-a-day. (And cook that broccoli 'til it's yella and pour cheese all over it)
January 29, 200719 yr Ah, nevermind then :wink: With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed.
January 29, 200719 yr I laughed watching this. He's so insanely stupid, it amazes me. He speaks english on the level of a four year old, with good grammar. I have no idea how he got elected in the first place, and then re-elected. Shocks me. Show's that America is getting stupider by the minute. Thanks for your amazing opinion. It may shock you that just because he speaks very articulately and clearly with a Southern accent does not make him [developmentally delayed]. In fact, it's fair to say that he has had better education than you will receive in your entire life. Which George Bush are you speaking of? The one in the white house doesn't have an articulate bone in his body. Everytime I see him speak, I literally chuckle at him for sounding like a fumbling middle schooler. There are entire websites dedicated to how badly he sucks at speaking. The Southern Accent has nothing to do with it. I would like to see you speak in front of the whole world...
January 29, 200719 yr I laughed watching this. He's so insanely stupid, it amazes me. He speaks english on the level of a four year old, with good grammar. I have no idea how he got elected in the first place, and then re-elected. Shocks me. Show's that America is getting stupider by the minute. Thanks for your amazing opinion. It may shock you that just because he speaks very articulately and clearly with a Southern accent does not make him [developmentally delayed]. In fact, it's fair to say that he has had better education than you will receive in your entire life. Which George Bush are you speaking of? The one in the white house doesn't have an articulate bone in his body. Everytime I see him speak, I literally chuckle at him for sounding like a fumbling middle schooler. There are entire websites dedicated to how badly he sucks at speaking. The Southern Accent has nothing to do with it. I would like to see you speak in front of the whole world... It's really, really not very hard. He even has it all laid out in front of him. Whenever he insists on not reading what's infront of him, he says something stupid. There are some people who only get into college because their daddy has money. This man is one of them. The popularity of any given religion today depends on the victories of the wars they fought in the past. - Me!
January 29, 200719 yr It's really, really not very hard. He even has it all laid out in front of him. Whenever he insists on not reading what's infront of him, he says something stupid. More people cite public speaking as their number one fear than cite death. The nerves of speaking in front of the entire world get to some people. I would strongly recommend you take some high level classes (especially science class) at the University level. You will find some of the most brilliant minds of our age cannot speak clearly in public at all. Is it a reflection of their intelligence? Of course not.
January 29, 200719 yr Surely you people cannot be serious. He's nervous so he mispronounces words, fumbles entire points and generally sounds like he's completely uneducated? I get nervous when speaking in front of people too. Everyone does. But I don't go from articulate to moron because I'm nervous. The popularity of any given religion today depends on the victories of the wars they fought in the past. - Me!
January 29, 200719 yr Surely you people cannot be serious. He's nervous so he mispronounces words, fumbles entire points and generally sounds like he's completely uneducated? I get nervous when speaking in front of people too. Everyone does. But I don't go from articulate to moron because I'm nervous. The point we are trying to make is ones ability to communicate is not a reflection on one's intelligence. You keep persisting in drawing a parallel between the ability to articulate ideas clearly, and intelligence, and there is no link. And yes, people can get so nervous they mispronounce words and mumble through a speech that is written for them. Just because you don't does not mean it does not happen.
January 29, 200719 yr Surely you people cannot be serious. He's nervous so he mispronounces words, fumbles entire points and generally sounds like he's completely uneducated? I get nervous when speaking in front of people too. Everyone does. But I don't go from articulate to moron because I'm nervous. You keep persisting in drawing a parallel between the ability to articulate ideas clearly, and intelligence, and there is no link. You just contradicted yourself. You're trying to draw a line between them, I'm saying they are one in the same. I can't remember, for everything in me, the last time I heard of a mentally challenged person come up with a good solution to the world's problems, for instance. Obviously, if you're not intelligent, you're not going to be able to speak as if you are. George Bush isn't intelligent, and it shows through his speaking. Could it be nerves? Yea sure, the first time. Some people are just stupid. That surely can't be helped. The popularity of any given religion today depends on the victories of the wars they fought in the past. - Me!
January 29, 200719 yr He said drawing a Parallel not a line, and throughtout history genious' have been strange people. Like Einstein. With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed.
January 29, 200719 yr You just contradicted yourself. You're trying to draw a line between them, A parallel is a way of saying there is a link between them. It is not saying there is a "line between them." If there is a parallel between intelligence and the ability to speak, that means there is a positive correlation between the two. I'm saying they are one in the same. I can't remember, for everything in me, the last time I heard of a mentally challenged person come up with a good solution to the world's problems, for instance. Obviously, if you're not intelligent, you're not going to be able to speak as if you are. George Bush isn't intelligent, and it shows through his speaking. Could it be nerves? Yea sure, the first time. 1. There are plenty of people who can speak very well despite low intelligence. Owen Wilson is paid millions of dollars to speak well in front of a camera and he couldn't pass 12th grade after taking it twice. 2. Once again, I would suggest you drop by a very advanced physics class at a university. You will find that many people with very high intelligence cannot communicate very well. 3. You are making an assumption that there is a correlation between the ability to communicate, and intelligence, and that just isn't so. There is no study that consistently links the two together. Sure, there are brilliant people who are also very effective orators, but the two characteristics are not linked. Some people are just stupid. That surely can't be helped. You're right. But just because you think there is a correlation between someone's ability to communicate and their intelligence, does not mean it is so. There is no evidence to suggest so.
January 29, 200719 yr Surely you people cannot be serious. He's nervous so he mispronounces words, fumbles entire points and generally sounds like he's completely uneducated? I get nervous when speaking in front of people too. Everyone does. But I don't go from articulate to moron because I'm nervous. You keep persisting in drawing a parallel between the ability to articulate ideas clearly, and intelligence, and there is no link. You just contradicted yourself. You're trying to draw a line between them, I'm saying they are one in the same. I can't remember, for everything in me, the last time I heard of a mentally challenged person come up with a good solution to the world's problems, for instance. Obviously, if you're not intelligent, you're not going to be able to speak as if you are. George Bush isn't intelligent, and it shows through his speaking. Could it be nerves? Yea sure, the first time. Some people are just stupid. That surely can't be helped. sure bush may stumble on a word or two, but havnt you ever noticed when he actually says the word correctly it is as clear as day? honestly i still think it would be hilarious to see you speak in a press conference in front of the whole world (i will be the person in the back making fun of your speech)
January 29, 200719 yr Why would you think that? With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed.
January 29, 200719 yr I must say that Danger has a point. Even if he stumbles a bit, the world gets the point. His charisma outweighs his public speaking ability. My heart is broken by the terrible loss I have sustained in my old friends and companions and my poor soldiers. Believe me, nothing except a battle lost can be half so melancholy as a battle won. -Sir Arthur Wellesley
January 29, 200719 yr Surely you people cannot be serious. He's nervous so he mispronounces words, fumbles entire points and generally sounds like he's completely uneducated? I get nervous when speaking in front of people too. Everyone does. But I don't go from articulate to moron because I'm nervous. You keep persisting in drawing a parallel between the ability to articulate ideas clearly, and intelligence, and there is no link. You just contradicted yourself. You're trying to draw a line between them, I'm saying they are one in the same. I can't remember, for everything in me, the last time I heard of a mentally challenged person come up with a good solution to the world's problems, for instance. Obviously, if you're not intelligent, you're not going to be able to speak as if you are. George Bush isn't intelligent, and it shows through his speaking. Could it be nerves? Yea sure, the first time. Some people are just stupid. That surely can't be helped. sure bush may stumble on a word or two, but havnt you ever noticed when he actually says the word correctly it is as clear as day? honestly i still think it would be hilarious to see you speak in a press conference in front of the whole world (i will be the person in the back making fun of your speech) I'd be happy to go infront of the world and speak. I'd do you one better and even write my own things to say, unlike some of our less intelligent public speakers. Like George Bush! :) The popularity of any given religion today depends on the victories of the wars they fought in the past. - Me!
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