Giordano Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 you know why they didnt care about global warming hundreds of years ago? they didnt have the technology to know it existed. Wrong. There wasn't major global warming back then. They wasn't huge polluting factories and no cars. i think its been established several times that factories and cars are hardly the one cause of global warming, with evidence to back it up. or maybe i just posted without reading the whole topic. :roll: Cars and factories are a MAJOR factor of Global Warming. Of course back then they didn't have those so Global Warming was smaller than it is today. "The cry of the poor is not always just, but if you never hear it you'll never know what justice is." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barihawk Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 Deforestation is man-made, I agree, but it still falls as natural. The same thing could happen if lightning struck a tree and a forest fire began. That's not really gas emissions, but a lack of natural conversions. My heart is broken by the terrible loss I have sustained in my old friends and companions and my poor soldiers. Believe me, nothing except a battle lost can be half so melancholy as a battle won. -Sir Arthur Wellesley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfhunterXZ Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 Yes, the earth heats and cools every year, unfortunately the levels of CO2 have risen, which does trap gases, the line graph actually shows (if you've taken basic algebra, you know about this) that on a scatter graph, you attach the lines by one central line, and that line on heat, CO2 levels, etc. Is increasing. If you really don't believe in it, do watch "An Inconvenient Truth" which I just watched, it is fact, and a good movie to watch, it's highly informative. Global warming is happening, and it is due to our pollution and interferance with the world. And as it's said, 100% of scientists say it's fact and is happening, where as the News Media (Around 57%?) shrugs their shoulders at it and don't know what to say. That's why Americans don't believe it. Also, Ford, GM, and other big American companies that produce gas guzzling cars (SUV's anyone?) actually have LOST sales, whereas companies that produce more gas efficient cars such as Toyota and Honda and whatnot, have higher sales. This is a political, and ecomonic issue, economics fit in with politics, and vice versa. Oh, and by the way, Bush PLEDGED during the first running for president that he'd pass initiatives to help with global warming, guess what, he never did. Wolfy is Officially Retired.I miss you all (Well, mostly my friends n stuff)If you want to talk to me, send me a message, I check the boards daily. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktmcf121 Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 Oh, and by the way, Bush PLEDGED during the first running for president that he'd pass initiatives to help with global warming, guess what, he never did. welcome to politics :roll: give me evidence that ONE political leader EVER did what he promised to the people while campaigning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celt23 Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 I believe in global warming and very few things are more important in the near future than addressing the issue and finding a better and more clean fuel ect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusqi Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 Scientists universally think that human-made global warming is a fact. The Non-American world universally think that human-made global warming is a fact. Now even a coalition of 10 major companies want a limit on carbon emissions (including General Electric and BP - which surprised me, since companies only care about profit): http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/19/busin ... arbon.html Americans: Don't delude yourselves - the reason that your government is denying global warming is firstly because it's more popular to bury its head in the sand, secondly because it has vested interests in polluting companies, and lastly because it is more worried about developing countries such as China and India. Your government would rather bring the whole world down than give China a competitive advantage. For it is the greyness of dusk that reigns.The time when the living and the dead exist as one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 Scientists universally think that human-made global warming is a fact. The Non-American world universally think that human-made global warming is a fact. Now even a coalition of 10 major companies want a limit on carbon emissions (including General Electric and BP - which surprised me, since companies only care about profit): http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/19/busin ... arbon.html Americans: Don't delude yourselves - the reason that your government is denying global warming is firstly because it's more popular to bury its head in the sand, secondly because it has vested interests in polluting companies, and lastly because it is more worried about developing countries such as China and India. Your government would rather bring the whole world down than give China a competitive advantage. I'd have to agree there, the american government has come across as egotistical over the years. I'd have to say many governments have some flaw in many cases. It's funny what power can to to the mind of the weak. They seem to be more occupied with winning votes than making a country better (which all of them generally have the power and/or capacity to do). Now i'm no expert on the workings of the goverment or the required timelines for major and minor projects to go ahead, but it just seems they could be doing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Eggz Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 If global warming continues in the next 50 years the weather could become deadly \ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeypie10 Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 Pfft. It's nothing special. Earth's been cooling and warming for billions of years. In fact, I'm in the middle of the biggest Ice Storm I've ever been in. Man's contribution to greenhouse gases is less than 5%. Volcanoes, cow farts, agricultural fields, etc will forever put out much more than we can. That hole in the ozone layer's been there for thousands of years, too. It's actually smaller than the big CFC scare nowadays. Oh right, considering the past 10 years were the HOTTEST YEARS EVER IN THE WORLD ( by a lot, off the charts type of a lot ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeypie10 Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 The government doesn't care at all. All they care about is getting money. Those idiots, I think it's time for someone to tell them that you can't pay snow not to melt. climitecrisis.net - A very good website about global warming, good ways to lessen the amount of Co2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barihawk Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 Pfft. It's nothing special. Earth's been cooling and warming for billions of years. In fact, I'm in the middle of the biggest Ice Storm I've ever been in. Man's contribution to greenhouse gases is less than 5%. Volcanoes, cow farts, agricultural fields, etc will forever put out much more than we can. That hole in the ozone layer's been there for thousands of years, too. It's actually smaller than the big CFC scare nowadays. Oh right, considering the past 10 years were the HOTTEST YEARS EVER IN THE WORLD ( by a lot, off the charts type of a lot ) We've had a lot of El Nino activity. I hear Doomsdayers in New York because it hasn't snowed this year. I live in Texas, in a desert. We've gotten 5 inches of snow in the past week, and are expecting more this weekend. My heart is broken by the terrible loss I have sustained in my old friends and companions and my poor soldiers. Believe me, nothing except a battle lost can be half so melancholy as a battle won. -Sir Arthur Wellesley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktmcf121 Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 Pfft. It's nothing special. Earth's been cooling and warming for billions of years. In fact, I'm in the middle of the biggest Ice Storm I've ever been in. Man's contribution to greenhouse gases is less than 5%. Volcanoes, cow farts, agricultural fields, etc will forever put out much more than we can. That hole in the ozone layer's been there for thousands of years, too. It's actually smaller than the big CFC scare nowadays. Oh right, considering the past 10 years were the HOTTEST YEARS EVER IN THE WORLD ( by a lot, off the charts type of a lot ) i want to see the chart of earthly temperatures you got that information from, starting from the day of the earth's creation. oh wait, that's impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigra00 Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 Pfft. It's nothing special. Earth's been cooling and warming for billions of years. In fact, I'm in the middle of the biggest Ice Storm I've ever been in. Man's contribution to greenhouse gases is less than 5%. Volcanoes, cow farts, agricultural fields, etc will forever put out much more than we can. That hole in the ozone layer's been there for thousands of years, too. It's actually smaller than the big CFC scare nowadays. Oh right, considering the past 10 years were the HOTTEST YEARS EVER IN THE WORLD ( by a lot, off the charts type of a lot ) i want to see the chart of earthly temperatures you got that information from, starting from the day of the earth's creation. oh wait, that's impossible. I wouldn't know if it's the hottest it's ever been (well, the Earth was, at one time, completely molten rock, sooo...:lol:), but they can tell what temprature's were at certain time periods by like...Soil samples n' stuff. Whatever they use for that >.>. The popularity of any given religion today depends on the victories of the wars they fought in the past. - Me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assassin_696 Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 Do I believe that the earth is warming up on globally? Of course I do, and to not to would be foolish. Do I believe all the scare stories that cheap air flights are destroying the world? Of course not. I recognise that we as humans are having some effect on greenhouse gas levels in the atmosphere and probably are warming it up slightly. But the earth is warming up naturally anyway, like it or not, and has been forever. Naturally, there are certain issues that need to be looked at seriously. The deforestation of certain areas without replanting will only exasebate the situation. The research of alternative energy fuels is important for our sake as much as the planets. And making businesses and industry less polluting is probably good for the sake of our lungs as much as anything. "Da mihi castitatem et continentam, sed noli modo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktmcf121 Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 Naturally, there are certain issues that need to be looked at seriously. The deforestation of certain areas without replanting will only exasebate the situation. The research of alternative energy fuels is important for our sake as much as the planets. And making businesses and industry less polluting is probably good for the sake of our lungs as much as anything. the only problem with alternative energy is that it still has to come from somewhere. solar, wind and water are the only "pure" alternative energies, and of the above, none are reliable or abundant enough to provide a sufficent amount of energy. electric, hydrogen, and other so called "alternative energies," are really just the same things as what we use now, just disguised so liberals can plant this idealistic image in the public's head. where do you think electricity comes from? you have to plug electric cars up to a power source, which is most likely a coal-burning power plant. hydrogen is almost nonexistent in its pure form, and takes a huge amount of energy to extract it from water. again, probably from a coal-burning plant. so maybe we can reduce our dependance on oil by this, but it would only increase coal dependance. ive done a lot of research on alternative energy, and i believe the safest, cleanest, and most effective could possibly be nuclear power. the only problem is packaging, because a minor error or mistake could be devastating to an entire country. but, if done right, and safely, nuclear energy makes a massive amount of power with relatively little waste. BUT, nuclear waste poses another problem. basically, any good alternative to the energy we have now is a LONG way and a LOT of money away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCHughes Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 No. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles No. he asked about the current enviromental effects in temperatures. i linked him to charts that demonstrated that. I said no in response to the original thread starter's question. the russians are the best! Hands down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barihawk Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 Wind power is sufficient here. More than half of West Texas' energy is supplied through wind turbines at LaMesa, Swee[bleep]er, Post, and many other sites. Best thing is, after 5 years the things pay for themselves and provide free energy. We breathe clean air out here. My heart is broken by the terrible loss I have sustained in my old friends and companions and my poor soldiers. Believe me, nothing except a battle lost can be half so melancholy as a battle won. -Sir Arthur Wellesley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yomom1919 Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 I said no in response to the original thread starter's question. oh sorry :oops: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Wind power is sufficient here. More than half of West Texas' energy is supplied through wind turbines at LaMesa, Swee[bleep]er, Post, and many other sites. Best thing is, after 5 years the things pay for themselves and provide free energy. We breathe clean air out here. Thats maybe so in Texas, but not in the rest of the world. Los Angeles is a valley with smog in it, and its getting hotter every summer, as well as the rest of the world. You just dont want to believe because you probably want to stand out and get attention. The only way we can avoid the destruction on the human race is make our leaders do something about it; which isn't going far already... Those [wagon] care more for their own personal wealth that the lifes on billions of people in the future. "The cry of the poor is not always just, but if you never hear it you'll never know what justice is." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barihawk Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Ouch, you've bruised my ego! It's more the consumer's fault. If consumers demanded green fuels, the car companies would make clean cars. But the average consumer demands massive SUV's and the Oil companies make billions off of them. My heart is broken by the terrible loss I have sustained in my old friends and companions and my poor soldiers. Believe me, nothing except a battle lost can be half so melancholy as a battle won. -Sir Arthur Wellesley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Ouch, you've bruised my ego! It's more the consumer's fault. If consumers demanded green fuels, the car companies would make clean cars. But the average consumer demands massive SUV's and the Oil companies make billions off of them. Then it's the average consumer's fault. We have to change our mindset as a race if we want to change the way we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barihawk Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 West Texas already started that. :P The only state that surpasses us in clean energy is Arizona, and we have more access to natural gas than any other state (Alaska doesn't count, because there are very few tapped out wells up there.) My heart is broken by the terrible loss I have sustained in my old friends and companions and my poor soldiers. Believe me, nothing except a battle lost can be half so melancholy as a battle won. -Sir Arthur Wellesley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCHughes Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Ah, a typical Texican; never quits talking about how glorious Texas is. :lol: the russians are the best! Hands down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barihawk Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Ah, a typical Texican; never quits talking about how glorious Texas is. :lol: It's in our blood! And it's God's country. Texas IS glorious :P My heart is broken by the terrible loss I have sustained in my old friends and companions and my poor soldiers. Believe me, nothing except a battle lost can be half so melancholy as a battle won. -Sir Arthur Wellesley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackattack Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 i dont know if anyone siad this but read micheal crightons book state of fear. i dont really think there is anything as big as we are told but we should take care of the environment. and the guy from la i know what you mean all the smog its poison. i went there when i saw my cousins and it was bad. the yay's clean though the wind blows the smog out. My carbon footprint is bigger than yours...and you know what they say about big feet. These are the times that try mens souls... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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