Remove the Swift Switch ban

[The Observer]

Swift Switch has now been considered "legal". So i don't know why it shouldn't be unbanned.

[Parabola]

How about because there's frequent hopping between legal and illegal.

[insane]

Because TIF doesn't support it. It has little to do with JaGex' stance, since they don't really have one.

[Lightning]

Swift Switch has now been considered "legal". So i don't know why it shouldn't be unbanned.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Atm i am not going to allow it. I do not wish to upset the coders of SS at all but as someone said earlier we do not support 3rd software etc. Main problem that we are looking at is , yes, it is legal atm, but will it be tomorrow.. or next week.. if we allow it and then becomes illegal again, we would have to stop our users from posting with it etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

HOWEVER

 

 

 

It is still in talks between Admins here and well we undecided on this issue at present. Its mainly down to the fact of what Jagex does and then how it effects SS but also cause it is a download and then could be a security risk to our users. It would be nice to be able to allow , it sure would cut soem work down here but we have to weigh up the pros and cons to this SS before we can give you a out right answer on this. Hopefully in a few days time, I will be able to.

[None2None]

Well, I have a feeling that admins on tip.it check Runescape frequently eh?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would like for everyone to know that the SS staff and coders arn't dumb, and in the end I have a feeling they'll make it legal even if it ends up being an i.e. or FF plugin that requires you getting through Runescape like normal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Anyway, after taking that into account, from a person without 100 posts, my opinion is:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1.) I'm quite sure that you have at least a few Runescape Moderators on this site who also check Runescape frequently and would be happy to immediately notify one of the 2 or 3 mods that I see on all the time...make it legal to have the SS download site posted, yet have your moderators check before they get on, and before they get off to check if it is legal or not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2.) Another suggestion would be at least to link to the SS site, yet set a disclaimer saying that you arn't responcible for the legality of it and say that it is choppy on wether it is allowed or not, tell people to constantly check the site for updates on what's going on, nothing that happens would be your fault, you should have no problems with legality after that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3.) Well, it's been named, but the only other possibility that I can think of is to not allow it what-so-ever and to just let the news float around as it has been, and then finally allow it only after everything has been sorted out and it is going to be 100% legal as it had been in the past (that is of course unless you dont want to make it legal what-so-ever...but I wouldn't see why that would be rational, it's a great program)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thoes suggestions are in order by which I like the best, ATM it seems #3 has been chosen, but maybe after reading the other two some other ideas have popped into your head? idk.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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(lol, my first half-long post on tip.it :P you may be getting a few more of these if I'm in the mood to type :lol: )

 

 

 

Cheers!

[Albosky]

 

 

 

2.) Another suggestion would be at least to link to the SS site

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sure , and while we are at it , why dont we replace every single one of our guides with a link to zybez, or runehq .... :roll:

[eyehawk78]

I say stick with the current stance. Those that want to use SS will go to the site and get it for themselves. I did. I just dont talk about it because its the rules and I'm fine with that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Plus if this was allowed, I can see a snowball effect starting... "My worldswitcher is legal, you allow posts on SS, Why not mine?" etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The current rule works fine, If its not broke, dont fix it?

[frizoid]

I say the current stance is fine, as lightning stated swiftswitch is a third party client, as such then it can be edited or hacked, whos to say the next update won't be a keylogger?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The safety of the community should be of the upmost importance, if people really want to get to swiftswitch they will find it without it being advertised on tip.it then they can't come running back to tip.it when it all goes wrong.

[wakka102]

Well its not like lifting the ban is going to do much.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I say the current stance is fine, as lightning stated swiftswitch is a third party client, as such then it can be edited or hacked, whos to say the next update won't be a keylogger?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The safety of the community should be of the upmost importance, if people really want to get to swiftswitch they will find it without it being advertised on tip.it then they can't come running back to tip.it when it all goes wrong.

It wont go wrong, strider isnt a bad guy.

[None2None]

 

I say the current stance is fine, as lightning stated swiftswitch is a third party client, as such then it can be edited or hacked, whos to say the next update won't be a keylogger?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The safety of the community should be of the upmost importance, if people really want to get to swiftswitch they will find it without it being advertised on tip.it then they can't come running back to tip.it when it all goes wrong.

It wont go wrong, strider isnt a bad guy.

Yea, that's what I see

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2.) Another suggestion would be at least to link to the SS site

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sure , and while we are at it , why dont we replace every single one of our guides with a link to zybez, or runehq .... :roll:

Well, if you come up with your own legal client, tell me and that could be a better idea, but unlike zybez or runehq, you dont have everything that SS does, why not let your users use the resource that they have and you dont? :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Believe me, I dont suggest things to hurt your site, only benefit ;)

[Faux]

Well, if you come up with your own legal client, tell me and that could be a better idea, but unlike zybez or runehq, you dont have everything that SS does, why not let your users use the resource that they have and you dont? :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Believe me, I dont suggest things to hurt your site, only benefit ;)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't work for TIF, but even I can understand why. Why in the world would you give free publicity to your rivals? Seriously, is it that hard for you to understand?

[None2None]

 

Well, if you come up with your own legal client, tell me and that could be a better idea, but unlike zybez or runehq, you dont have everything that SS does, why not let your users use the resource that they have and you dont? :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Believe me, I dont suggest things to hurt your site, only benefit ;)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't work for TIF, but even I can understand why. Why in the world would you give free publicity to your rivals? Seriously, is it that hard for you to understand?

Why consider them your rivals, from the looks of it, you used to have a link to it, why did you back then?

 

 

 

unbanned

 

 

 

You seem scared that people will look at their community as better and stay there, I dont see why.

[Cruiser]

Why consider them your rivals, from the looks of it, you used to have a link to it, why did you back then?

 

 

 

Tip.it has never linked to any other fan sites or 3rd party clients in the 6 years it's been up and running. Ever. Users in the forums may have, but the website itself hasn't.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Regardless of how trustworthy you think Strider may be, there is always the possibility something can be compromised. You could argue Jagex could be compromised too, but Jagex is getting payed to keep things secure. They abide by certain security related laws due to the handling of credit cards and personal info. Third party clients have no such obligation and can screw you over on a whim.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Overall, 3rd party clients are for the lazy people among us. There is no need for anything more than a standard web browser for anything rs related.

[None2None]

 

Why consider them your rivals, from the looks of it, you used to have a link to it, why did you back then?

 

 

 

Tip.it has never linked to any other fan sites or 3rd party clients in the 6 years it's been up and running. Ever. Users in the forums may have, but the website itself hasn't.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Regardless of how trustworthy you think Strider may be, there is always the possibility something can be compromised. You could argue Jagex could be compromised too, but Jagex is getting payed to keep things secure. They abide by certain security related laws due to the handling of credit cards and personal info. Third party clients have no such obligation and can screw you over on a whim.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Overall, 3rd party clients are for the lazy people among us. There is no need for anything more than a standard web browser for anything rs related.

implying that you never did link to them in the first place? so is he wrong in saying unbanned?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or did you link and now are just arguing against me because your all trying to back up your admin...which is great and everything, but you cant always suck up...and who's to know that one of your admins don't go bad...the whole forums could go down or they could try everyone's tipit passwords with their RS accounts, I'm sure many would work...we can go on with what-if's all day, that doesn't mean anything is going to happen, hence the disclaimer...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

for all I care tell everyone that they should scan it every time they dl a new one...I think your being way to uptight personally. :roll:

[the_tallest1]

You seem scared that people will look at their community as better and stay there, I dont see why.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't you think that if we were solely concerned about our number of users as opposed to safety and self-consistency that we would just allow SS since it would make a lot less work on us and make a lot less users complain? I honestly don't see how you could think we're doing it to keep users from viewing another site.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lightning already said what's happening currently and I doubt you'll be changing that anytime before the Admins finish discussing this. As for Cruiser, I have never known him to say anything just to placate the Admins and he gives the opinions he actually holds.

[Cruiser]

implying that you never did link to them in the first place? so is he wrong in saying unbanned?

 

 

 

SS and other fan sites have never been linked to from Tip.It. SS has been banned from discussion since it's inception. That is where the "unbanned" comes from. This is why I replied the way I did. They have never linked to it, period.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or did you link and now are just arguing against me because your all trying to back up your admin...which is great and everything, but you cant always suck up...

 

 

 

As Tallest said in his last reply, I don't just mindless backup the admins. I've had some rather heated arguments with a few of them over the years. If you have to resort to calling us suck ups, your argument is dead.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and who's to know that one of your admins don't go bad...the whole forums could go down or they could try everyone's tipit passwords with their RS accounts, I'm sure many would work...

 

 

 

If you knew what you were talking about, you would know phpbb encrypts all the passwords upon registration. Cracking just one of them from scratch would take considerable CPU time and isn't practical for even a determined hacker (a real hacker, not the BS script kiddies that keylog people). Tip.It also has a rather large amount of time and money invested in the running of the website and forums along side the fact several of the admins are very close to Jagex themselves.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

we can go on with what-if's all day, that doesn't mean anything is going to happen, hence the disclaimer...

 

 

 

True, we can, still doesn't change the fact Lightning had already posted a reply well ahead of your list with the current state of the issue.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

for all I care tell everyone that they should scan it every time they dl a new one...I think your being way to uptight personally. :roll:

 

 

 

That would involve supporting it here on Tip.It, which will never happen, regardless of the discussion decision.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For all the rest of us care, you advocating SS is a waste of time. :mrgreen:

[None2None]

SS and other fan sites have never been linked to from Tip.It. SS has been banned from discussion since it's inception. That is where the "unbanned" comes from. This is why I replied the way I did. They have never linked to it, period.

 

 

 

You can't even discuss it? Well that seems a bit extreem, though it is funny how little people have even looked in this forum...eh, if that's the case I'd definately say it should be allowed to be discussed, that's just crazy, I can understand telling people not to discuss macros, bots, cheats and bugs, but something that's borderline legal should be against the rules to discuss, I mean really, nothing has changed with the legality in the past 2 days we have been discussing this...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As Tallest said in his last reply, I don't just mindless backup the admins. I've had some rather heated arguments with a few of them over the years. If you have to resort to calling us suck ups, your argument is dead.

Yea, normally true, I'll admit :) But then again, I'm pretty new on the forums, not meaning I'm not educated on forums, but meaning that I dont know the people here well, lets call that an unfair assumption on my part :wink:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you knew what you were talking about, you would know phpbb encrypts all the passwords upon registration. Cracking just one of them from scratch would take considerable CPU time and isn't practical for even a determined hacker (a real hacker, not the BS script kiddies that keylog people). Tip.It also has a rather large amount of time and money invested in the running of the website and forums along side the fact several of the admins are very close to Jagex themselves.

Yea, I knew that, most things have an encryption method...but it wouldn't be that hard...if you want to skip the whole 'hacking' thing, you could just get the plugin for FF unencripting most passwords ;) not to give your admins any ideas or anything (jk of course)...but I'm an admin on a different phpBB3 forum and I know how the acp works very well, and do know that I can see passwords, yet dont do anything, I'm higher than that, and after looking back, I'm sure your admins are aswell, that was another comment that I guess I shouldn't have said... #-o

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but keep in mind that strider is very close to Jagex aswell and I'm sure wouldn't scam or would risk a definate IP ban by Jagex and possible suit because of the mass-problems that he could cause...I doubt he would risk that...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

True, we can, still doesn't change the fact Lightning had already posted a reply well ahead of your list with the current state of the issue.

So I can't post other opinions? I dont get it...admin or not, we're all human and sometimes dont see every angle of every side...I proposed two other ideas and was attacked for it... :roll: ...and now, yes, I'm defending my actions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That would involve supporting it here on Tip.It, which will never happen, regardless of the discussion decision.

Why not support it, your communities are too far apart, you seem to be more competing than forming alliances, why not combine guides and make better as opposed to trying to improve your weak point that they have strong and having them repair their own weak points you have strong...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's like having 2 weak communities as opposed to two strong, I dont get that whole 'we're never supporting them' statement... :notalk:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For all the rest of us care, you advocating SS is a waste of time. :mrgreen:

Well, at first I gave 3 ideas on how to possibly deal with the issue at hand, sure, after an admin had spoken, but the point is is that the other two ideas posted by me were not stated before... :wink:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Again, now it seems I'm more defending my actions of posting the two other ideas more than advocating...or at least that's the angle I'm seeing this topic from... :roll:

[Albosky]

but I'm an admin on a different phpBB3 forum and I know how the acp works very well, and do know that I can see passwords, yet dont do anything, I'm higher than that, and after looking back, I'm sure your admins are aswell, that was another comment that I guess I shouldn't have said... #-o

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Obviously you dont know what you are talking about , firstly phpBB3 is in a beta stage and shouldnt be used in a live environment and secondly , you CANNOT see passwords in the Admin Control Panel , its not possible, even if you tried to modify your forum to do so , the passwords are stored using MD5 hashes which CANNOT be reversed, they are one way..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but back to the actual topic...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nobody said you cant discuss the use of clients, you just cant link to them. We cant run around verifying the integrity of every link users post to these clients therefore we allow none of them , don't you think that users have tried to fool people into downloading a compromised version before?

[None2None]

 

but I'm an admin on a different phpBB3 forum and I know how the acp works very well, and do know that I can see passwords, yet dont do anything, I'm higher than that, and after looking back, I'm sure your admins are aswell, that was another comment that I guess I shouldn't have said... #-o

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Obviously you dont know what you are talking about , firstly phpBB3 is in a beta stage and shouldnt be used in a live environment and secondly , you CANNOT see passwords in the Admin Control Panel , its not possible, even if you tried to modify your forum to do so , the passwords are stored using MD5 hashes which CANNOT be reversed, they are one way..

Yes, it is a beta...I never disagreed with that...but go in and act as if you are changing a password, the old password should be shown as "**********" (as an example) ...there are a few programs that I believe can 'de-code' that...I have one that works on my, personal password and 3 other's when I go into edit it

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but back to the actual topic...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nobody said you cant discuss the use of clients, you just cant link to them. We cant run around verifying the integrity of every link users post to these clients therefore we allow none of them , don't you think that users have tried to fool people into downloading a compromised version before?

I wasn't asking for a link to every specific client, I was suggesting to give a link to one and only one client being SS. SS is now legal and is from a (in my and many other's opinions) trusted person.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I still have yet to see a reason that tip.it refuses to allow (maybe even posted by an admin or moderator) a SS link and discussion forum, subforum, or topic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not asking for the approval of all possible clients, but simply the best. SS.

[Cruiser]

Yes, it is a beta...I never disagreed with that...but go in and act as if you are changing a password, the old password should be shown as "**********" (as an example) ...there are a few programs that I believe can 'de-code' that...I have one that works on my, personal password and 3 other's when I go into edit it

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Otherwise known as a password manager. It stores your password on your local machine for each login. Much, MUCH, different than what is actually stored in the phpbb database.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Decrypt this, I dare ya: bd89360bc55394cd9024cb866b58157d

 

 

 

Hint: It's the same encryption phpBB uses for passwords

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wasn't asking for a link to every specific client, I was suggesting to give a link to one and only one client being SS. SS is now legal and is from a (in my and many other's opinions) trusted person.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I still have yet to see a reason that tip.it refuses to allow (maybe even posted by an admin or moderator) a SS link and discussion forum, subforum, or topic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not asking for the approval of all possible clients, but simply the best. SS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SS is not the only "legal" client out there anymore. Especially since the rules were modified for allowing the game pane to be included just about anywhere.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Linking to SS means supporting it, which Tip.It has never done (and I'm assuming will never do.) Linking to SS also means they acknowledge the use of 3rd party clients, which they have never supported. It also means they would have to link to any other client that complains and moans.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're fighting a lost cause and arguing your point to a brick wall. It hasn't been done in 6 years and the arguments everyone presents isn't going to change that stance.

[Looce]

Decrypt this, I dare ya: bd89360bc55394cd9024cb866b58157d

 

 

 

Hint: It's the same encryption phpBB uses for passwords

 

 

 

[Note]about[/i] the quote, and to None2None]

 

 

 

A process exists to "crack" passwords by storing a table of precalculated reversed pairs (hash -> text) in a file on disk, also known as the time-memory tradeoff [en.wikipedia.org] or rainbow tables [en.wikipedia.org]. These make cracking passwords faster by simply reading from the disk and checking whether the hash is found in a more efficient manner. The algorithm used is available on the Internet by doing a Google search for "time-memory tradeoff" [www.google.com].

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Consider that, to crack these MD5 hashes, you download RainbowCrack. Consider that you order these rainbow tables [www.rainbowtables.net] for MD5 hashes and use them with it. Knowing how security-conscious Cruiser is, he will have chosen either of the following:

 

 

 

• [*:1brc5sll]a password longer than 12 characters with lowercase letters and digits;
   
   
   
  [*:1brc5sll]a password longer than 8 characters with lower/uppercase letters, digits and special characters.

 

 

 

Both of these have prohibitive disk space requirements (in addition to not being available on the website above):

 

 

 

• [*:1brc5sll]a lower-digit table for 1-12 characters would take 7,004,700 GB, and would not even cover Cruiser's choices of more characters than 12;
   
   
   
  [*:1brc5sll]a lower-upper-digit-special table for 1-8 characters would take 1,516,127 GB, and would not even cover Cruiser's choices of more characters than 8.

 

 

 

Simply, we don't have this much storage in a reasonable number of server-grade hard drives yet. You'd also be wasting your time brute-forcing that hash.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not asking for the approval of all possible clients, but simply the best. SS.

 

 

 

And another person would refute you and say SS is not the best, and so-and-so third-party client is. Then you'd repeat your argument over and over, making it an argumentum ad infinitum [en.wikipedia.org], a logical fallacy. Seriously, it is all a matter of preference, and each user is a fervent of one client in disfavor of another. Support one, and everyone will want links to their own favorite clients. There is no single client link that will please everyone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even if other Swift users came into this topic and supported your argument, None2None, this would still be a logical fallacy: the bandwagon argument [en.wikipedia.org], "everyone is doing it, therefore it must be right; everyone is using it, therefore it must be the best."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[edits: Fixed various typos, wording and bad forum markup]

[None2None]

 

Decrypt this, I dare ya: bd89360bc55394cd9024cb866b58157d

 

 

 

Hint: It's the same encryption phpBB uses for passwords

 

 

 

[Note]about[/i] the quote, and to None2None]

 

 

 

A process exists to "crack" passwords by storing a table of precalculated reversed pairs (hash -> text) in a file on disk, also known as the time-memory tradeoff [en.wikipedia.org] or rainbow tables [en.wikipedia.org]. These make cracking passwords faster by simply reading from the disk and checking whether the hash is found in a more efficient manner. The algorithm used is available on the Internet by doing a Google search for "time-memory tradeoff" [www.google.com].

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Consider that, to crack these MD5 hashes, you download RainbowCrack. Consider that you order these rainbow tables [www.rainbowtables.net] for MD5 hashes and use them with it. Knowing how security-conscious Cruiser is, he will have chosen either of the following:

 

 

 

• [*:36oy7g7q]a password longer than 12 characters with lowercase letters and digits;
   
   
   
  [*:36oy7g7q]a password longer than 8 characters with lower/uppercase letters, digits and special characters.

 

 

 

Both of these have prohibitive disk space requirements (in addition to not being available on the website above):

 

 

 

• [*:36oy7g7q]a lower-digit table for 1-12 characters would take 7,004,700 GB, and would not even cover Cruiser's choices of more characters than 12;
   
   
   
  [*:36oy7g7q]a lower-upper-digit-special table for 1-8 characters would take 1,516,127 GB, and would not even cover Cruiser's choices of more characters than 8.

 

 

 

Simply, we don't have this much storage in a reasonable number of server-grade hard drives yet. You'd also be wasting your time brute-forcing that hash.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not asking for the approval of all possible clients, but simply the best. SS.

 

 

 

And another person would refute you and say SS is not the best, and so-and-so third-party client is. Then you'd repeat your argument over and over, making it an argumentum ad infinitum [en.wikipedia.org], a logical fallacy. Seriously, it is all a matter of preference, and each user is a fervent of one client in disfavor of another. Support one, and everyone will want links to their own favorite clients. There is no single client link that will please everyone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even if other Swift users came into this topic and supported your argument, None2None, this would still be a logical fallacy: the bandwagon argument [en.wikipedia.org], "everyone is doing it, therefore it must be right; everyone is using it, therefore it must be the best."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[edits: Fixed various typos, wording and bad forum markup]

Ah, and I just realized that everyone I checked on my forums had logged onto this computer at one point or another...but, to my defence again...a site that has an extencive database of various hashes coule be http://md5.rednoize.com ...

 

 

 

or Here's a smaller one... http://passcracking.ru ...

 

 

 

And yet another... http://gdataonline.com/seekhash.php

 

 

 

And even your wikipedia link gave various links to sites with their own databases :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The first seems to be under construction atm though, wait a day and check it, it might be up...idk...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The internet is a great place t store mass ammounts of information isn't it? :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

info so you dont think I just chose a downed site for a reason:

 

 

 

http://forums.devshed.com/website-criti ... 09141.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even so, that is all off-topic...so back on topic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And if you can name another client, made by a trusted person, with all of the features of SS, and it legal, tell me and I might start to use that, but the only other clients that I could possibly get my hands are are used mostly for bots and macros, and I'm not going to do that, they're barely legal if at all and I'll just get banned...that's not going to happen.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A client is a client, true, but are your prefrences as big-name and trusted as SS? and do the makers of your favorite have direct links to Jagex and the obligations that SS has? Have your clients gone to the same effort that strider did to make their client legal again? I would assume no.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you can truely answer yes to each and every one of thoes questions, maybe you should make two legal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Concerning safety, I dont think your argument (about SS) holds water...Your bringing things to extreems, and using big words and wikipedia wont change my opinion ;) I'm not as dumb as some may think.

[Looce]

And even your wikipedia link gave various links to sites with their own databases :roll:

 

 

 

I chose one link because all rainbow tables used by others have similar sizes and success rates anyways. The method is the same. I don't care about downed sites; they don't bring your argument down to my eyes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And if you can name another client, made by a trusted person, with all of the features of SS, and it legal, tell me and I might start to use that, but the only other clients that I could possibly get my hands are are used mostly for bots and macros, and I'm not going to do that, they're barely legal if at all and I'll just get banned...that's not going to happen.

 

 

 

Theta [theta.in] by Antiaverage and contributors. Web-based.

 

 

 

The RuneHQ world switcher [www.runehq.net] by Oblivion590 and DownStrike. Web-based, JavaScript.

 

 

 

LeetScape [www.leetscape.com] by 3 Hit U. Web-based, JavaScript.

 

 

 

I'd trust all of these world switchers not to contain any malicious code, and this could be proven by examining the JavaScript in the page before running it. [in any recent browser, disable JavaScript, launch the switcher and use View Source.]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A client is a client, true, but are your prefrences as big-name and trusted as SS? and do the makers of your favorite have direct links to Jagex and the obligations that SS has? Have your clients gone to the same effort that strider did to make their client legal again? I would assume no.

 

 

 

All clients must abide by Jagex's new Rule 7, although I don't know how they could enforce that. Maybe an HTTP referrer check, I don't know.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for your questions, see:

 

 

 

Rule 7 Update

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

LeetScape apparently broke a rule, even though I was told it was fine...

 

 

 

You can still load the full worlds, I've just added a confirmation alert, this was added to stay inside the boundaries of the Rule

 

 

 

Just had a word with a JAGeX Moderator, what was basically said, is that LeetScape World Switcher broke a rule.

 

 

 

Upon further questioning was noted as the IRC rule.

 

 

 

I've now added a short but effective disclaimer which now makes LeetScape legal to use.

 

 

 

Source: Forum thread [leetscape.com]

 

 

 

Theta is now fully complient with the Jagex Client Guidelines, and is fully online with no downloads, meaning this client is completely safe to use for both your Runescape account's safety and your computer's safety.

 

 

 

Also, as far as I know, Strider had to modify Swift's built-in IRC client to remove the small crown icon displayed beside IRC channel operators (mode +o) and half-ops (mode +h) to abide by the new Rule 7, which could have been avoided had he not used these symbols.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Finally,

 

 

 

Concerning safety, I dont think your argument holds water...Your bringing things to extreems, and using big words and wikipedia wont change my opinion ;) I'm not as dumb as some may think.

 

 

 

Totally devoid of argumentation except for name-calling. I was just using Wikipedia to define the words I used in line with the text itself.

[None2None]

 

And even your wikipedia link gave various links to sites with their own databases :roll:

 

 

 

I chose one link because all rainbow tables used by others have similar sizes and success rates anyways. The method is the same. I don't care about downed sites; they don't bring your argument down to my eyes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And if you can name another client, made by a trusted person, with all of the features of SS, and it legal, tell me and I might start to use that, but the only other clients that I could possibly get my hands are are used mostly for bots and macros, and I'm not going to do that, they're barely legal if at all and I'll just get banned...that's not going to happen.

 

 

 

Theta [theta.in] by Antiaverage and contributors. Web-based.

 

 

 

The RuneHQ world switcher [www.runehq.net] by Oblivion590 and DownStrike. Web-based, JavaScript.

 

 

 

LeetScape [www.leetscape.com] by 3 Hit U. Web-based, JavaScript.

 

 

 

I'd trust all of these world switchers not to contain any malicious code, and this could be proven by examining the JavaScript in the page before running it. [in any recent browser, disable JavaScript and then launch the switcher.]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A client is a client, true, but are your prefrences as big-name and trusted as SS? and do the makers of your favorite have direct links to Jagex and the obligations that SS has? Have your clients gone to the same effort that strider did to make their client legal again? I would assume no.

 

 

 

All clients must abide by Jagex's new Rule 7, although I don't know how they could enforce that. Maybe an HTTP referrer check, I don't know.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for your questions, see:

 

 

 

Rule 7 Update

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

LeetScape apparently broke a rule, even though I was told it was fine...

 

 

 

You can still load the full worlds, I've just added a confirmation alert, this was added to stay inside the boundaries of the Rule

 

 

 

Just had a word with a JAGeX Moderator, what was basically said, is that LeetScape World Switcher broke a rule.

 

 

 

Upon further questioning was noted as the IRC rule.

 

 

 

I've now added a short but effective disclaimer which now makes LeetScape legal to use.

 

 

 

Source: Forum thread [leetscape.com]

 

 

 

Theta is now fully complient with the Jagex Client Guidelines, and is fully online with no downloads, meaning this client is completely safe to use for both your Runescape account's safety and your computer's safety.

 

 

 

Concerning safety, I dont think your argument holds water...Your bringing things to extreems, and using big words and wikipedia wont change my opinion ;) I'm not as dumb as some may think.

 

 

 

Totally devoid of argumentation except for name-calling.

Calling me dumb for not knowing about 3 other clients is a bit low, wouldn't you think?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even then, oh well, link to 4 sites, and give the advantages/disagvantages of each, I don't see much work or trouble in having this, as long as the list doesn't become overwhelming, I'd still say it's alright.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I dont know any of the people that you mensioned, but if you's truely consider them trustworthy, why not?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If this goes back to advertising other 'rival' sites, I'd like to note - making allies is better than making enemies.

[Looce]

Calling me dumb for not knowing about 3 other clients is a bit low, wouldn't you think?

 

 

 

I did not call you names. The only instance of "dumb" I could find in my post is this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not as dumb as some may think.

 

 

 

If you look closely, I was quoting you using it. I do not believe in name-calling for the sake of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And if I look closely, I see that you asked for only one other client, and I did provide one with comparable features to Swift's: RuneHQ's world switcher. Please see the link I provided in my earlier reply.

 

 

 

And if you can name another client, made by a trusted person, with all of the features of SS

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, pretending that someone knows about all world switchers in existence is foolish, and knowing them all should not be expected of neither you nor me. I did not expect this either. Personally, I did a Google search for "RuneScape world switcher" [www.google.ca] to find these three clients. They serve as examples since I cannot enumerate them all in a forum post.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd like to add that it's the maker's responsibility to advertise a creation of theirs (or the users tell others about it), and as such, Zybez should be the only one promoting Swift or authorising the promotion of it. Tip.it would get in huge wars with Zybez over this, because linking to Swift on Tip.it might be enough for some users to think that there is an affiliation between them. There is not, and should never be.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You seem inclined to bring me down just for the sake of it; can you reply rationally to this post?