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Why don't we see what Keith Olberman has to say on the issue? That doesn't even make sense. I don't know where you heard that Boehner promised 75 votes. I haven't heard that. They probably could have got that though if it wasn't for Pelosi's speech.

Thats ridiculous. House Republicans never had agreed to the bill before he even went to Washington. If anything he brought John Boehner and the GOP leadership on board. I just watched Pelosi's speech and it is completely ridiculous. Why on earth would you give a partisan speech like that when you are trying to pass a bi-partisan bill. It's Pelosi's fault this didn't pass. http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=184953 Also I saw this... http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=184743

Un...believable. I am totally lost for words. I don't understand why they'd even bring it to a vote with it being so close. Surely it would have made more sense to keep talking until they had a comfortable majority before they took it to the floor. Such a lack of common sense. It is just inconceivable logic from the conservatives. I just watched the video posted on the BBC's World Service and one of them stated this was the first step on the slippery slope to socialism. For 1), to vote against this Bill for ideological reasons instead of having the common sense to realise the grave danger of this situation is idealism in the face of stark reality. I'm a socialist; impulsively, I'm actually against this Bill, but I have the ability to see this is for the good of the global financial system, and if it didn't work, the aftermath would hit the poor hardest and first. You have to be pragmatic. 2) This isn't even socialism. Socialism in its truest form would be calling for these banks to fail, all else failing, total nationalisation. A "bail-out plan" is nowhere near socialism. In fact, the only aspect of socialism I see here is government intervention, very limited at that. Idiots. Puerile, indoctrinated, foolish idiots. Barely 60% of Democrats voted for the bill. Most high profile Republicans voted for it. John Boehner, Roy Blunt, Eric Cantor, Dan Lungren and David Dreier all voted for it. Both party leaderships are ineffective. Enough Republicans voted for it that every Blue Dog Democrat could have voted against it and it still would have passed. It's Pelosi's fault for getting into some partisan rant right before the floor debate ended.

A poll isn't really proof that Al Qaida isn't weakened. I think that while they may be resurgent in Afghanistan overall their ability to launch attacks inside the U.S. is greatly diminished. Something like 90% of the senior pre-9/11 leadership has been killed or captured and CIA and the FBI have rolled up more than 5,000 terrorists worldwide.

This just shows that both the Democratic and Republican leadership are both very ineffective. Probably the Democrats more so. I wouldn't have expected John Boehner to come up with that many votes as he did but I certainly would have thought Pelosi, and Steny Hoyer would have been able to get more than 60% of their party to vote for it. I missed most of the floor debate but from what I heard Pelosi gave a pretty partisan speech that might have turned off a few Republicans from voting for it. They only missed it by a dozen or so. That seems pretty ridiculous. I haven't seen the speech but If you are trying to pass a bi-partisan bill that might not have been the best idea. I do think that if the Republican bill were brought to the floor it would have a good chance to pass.

I just eat corn chips. Maybe some Flaming Hot Cheetos if I get a deli sandwich.

For a while I was concerned but then your whole anti American rant kinda threw me off. I mean it's not like this was an isolated incident by one crazy guy right? No, of course not. The entire state of Ohio has taken to throwing tear gas or whatever it was into mosques. And Debbie Wasserman Schultz sponsoring a screening of that movie makes me think that it's not as islamaphobic as you portray it. http://www.house.gov/list/press/fl20_sc ... ening.html

CAN YA DO THE THIZZLE DANCE? because I can't. Most dancing where I live usually evolves into some guy going dumb.

If we had a spending freeze it would only take a few years until we had a surplus instead of these massive deficits. You're out of your [bleep] mind, and so is John McCain; not even Ron "Get Rid of Most of the Federal Government and End All Spending" Paul is that insane. You don't have a total spending freeze, even people who aren't Keynesian Economists know that. Just as a rule you don't stop buying everything except bread in hard financial times, you buy durable goods. This man is not just an idiot or insane anymore...he's dangerous. a $700 billion dollar bailout combined with the massive deficit make a spending freeze look pretty good. Not in dollars but as a % of gdp. This ridiculous spending has to stop sometime.

^^ They don't need the house Republicans votes to pass the bill. If we had a spending freeze it would only take a few years until we had a surplus instead of these massive deficits.

Oh I'm terrified of that. I always have an image of sharks or giant squid or something circling like 10 ft below me just beyond how far I can see. I have gone scuba diving though. It was in very clear water and I could see the bottom so it wasn't that bad.

Of course Pelosi hopes a bill will be passed. She just doesn't want it to look bad for the democrats. There are enough votes in both the Senate and the house to pass the bill. Republicans can't stop a bill from being passed in the house. They are the minority. And in the Senate it would pass as well. The Democrats just don't want it to look like they were the ones who supported the bailout while the Republicans opposed it.

The Democrats are trying to do what's right - make sure this money isn't going to those who put us into this mess in the first place, and make sure regulation is in place to prevent it happening again. For all your pro-Americanism, you seem ironically hostile when it's the Democrats - not the Republicans - who are doing what's right for the country. His attendance was (is) quite clearly a disturbance. Instead of making the discussion purely about economics, it's also brought the baggage from the presidential election. His behaviour over the whole thing reeks of desperation given his position in the race, and frankly, there are Republicans saying the same thing. Obama was at the meeting too. But I guess he wasn't a disturbance right? And the democrats aren't trying to do whats right. They could have passed the bill anytime they wanted but instead they are trying to play political games so they won't look bad. [hide=all the times President Bush warned] [/hide] Kind of reminds me of what happened to Hoover in the Great Depression. And one reason he might not have been able to get that much done was because he wasn't, as far that list goes, trying to fix the source of the problem, sub-prime mortgages. This problem has stemmed from that lack of regulation. Who would've thought giving mortgages to people with bad credit could ever turn out disastrous? [hide=] [/hide]

They never had a deal. John Boehner said in the beginning that he didn't have the 100 votes that Pelosi wants. House Republicans never were part of the deal. The Senate Republicans are. All that is happening now is that the democrats are playing politics. They could pass the bailout anytime. They just want house Republicans to vote for it so they won't look bad. I don't know what you are talking about. This has been going on long before President bush was in office. He warned several times and tried to take action. In 2003 he tried to create a new office in the Treasury department to supervise Fannie and Freddie but it never happened. [hide=all the times President Bush warned] [/hide]

I remember that. :lol:

THAT'S NOT EVEN A WORD! WHAT A MORAN!

Thats not even really that bad. Can you imagine what you would be saying if she said that FDR was President when the depression happened and they had t.v.'s like Joe Biden did? You would probably have a fit.

I don't see why it is a bad thing that he decided to stop campaigning and actually try to do something. I think they should still debate because I doubt they will be doing anything Friday night but trying to pass the legislation instead of campaigning is a good thing.

I don't see why any foreign leader would decline to meet with a possible future Vice-President.

[hide=] [/hide] EDIT: I guess Joe Biden doesn't think AIG should have been bailed out. #-o edit: I guess he doesn't know his history either.

He didn't sell him out, he tried a reasoned approach the first time and the guy just went bonkers. He totally sold him out. Wright didn't go bonkers. At that interview he didn't say anything new from what he had already said except for that Obama was a politician and was only condemning his statements for political gain. I recall Obama saying that he could no more distance himself from wright than he could the black community. Well so long black community! Hello White House! And who has the real economic plan? [hide=economists who endorse McCain's economic plan]Burton Abrams, University of Delaware James D. Adams, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Douglas K. Adie, Ohio University Richard Agnello, University of Delaware William Albrecht, University of Iowa Constantine Alexandrakis, University of Massachusetts at Dartmouth William Alpert, University of Connecticut Wayne Angell, Former Fed Governor Fernando E. Alvarez, University of Chicago Geoffrey T. 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This is how old? If Obama is willing to sell out his pastor of 20 years, the man who married him, baptized his children and lead him to God over nothing what else will he sell out on, or has he sold out on already.... and what about when he is in office?

I don't seeing what being guilty has to do with torture. And I would say most of them are guilty. There are probably a few who were captured based on bad intelligence from other tribes or something but not that many.

Trillions of dollars? Enough dramatics.

I guess I shouldn't have thrown away all my pirate gear. #-o