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That's a whole new can of worms. Like I said, I do appreciate Toy Story but I personally don't feel it's important enough to be put on the list of 100 movies to see before you die. Just being the first of something simply means nothing more than that - it was the first of something. That alone doesn't make it a deeper or more meaningful movie.

I've heard many theories about the briefcase, but I don't really know what to believe now. I do like how they make religious references, which is a nice allusion to good and evil, even though like I said, there is no true protagonist in the movie. Anyways, my point was that Pulp Fiction is a deeper movie than Toy Story. The interrelated plot and order of the scenes might not be unique but they are more than what Pixar has pulled off with their Toy Story movie.

^^ I find it strange how we're geared towards living eternally even though 90% of our lives is nothing but complaining. :lol:

Haha, I agree there. That one was cheesy, although I liked the battling. It was so cliche. "I'm gonna take over the world! Mwahah!" Seems like they just whipped that one together at the last minute. ~~~ As for my progress on FF12, I beat the Pharos and I'm level 65. Right now I'm trying to do all the Hunts and get those last three Espers (Chaos, Ultima, Zodiark).

Toy Story is just as deep as Pulp Fiction? :? That's no way to convince someone to stop favoring serious movies. First of all, the scenes are not played in chronological order but this very aspect actually augments the viewing experience. If they were played in sequential order, it wouldn't be nearly the same. Secondly, the bathroom scenes are utterly brilliant. Vincent goes to bathroom (a normal domestic routine) and then leaves, entering a [bleep]ed up reality (overdose, robbery, then finally death). Thirdly, the undefinable contents of the 666 briefcase being linked to the scarred neck at the beginning of the movie and also the Bible reference is one of the best uses of symbolism I've ever seen in a film. Finally, most of the characters all have their unique storylines but they're interrelated into the main plot. There isn't a concrete protagonist like in any other regular movie. One second you'll be empathizing for Vincent, then next thing you know you'll be empathizing for his killer. Toy Story: Talking toys that make you laugh and teaches you the moral of not letting jealousy get to your head. You can't tell me every movie is as deep and meaningful as every other one. Or perhaps I'm missing some hidden underlying message that's present in Toy Story? Yes, they are generic but what does this have to do with anything? I didn't say that any popular movie is automatically a bad one. I never purposely meant to leave out specific genres. All the movies that I deem as "worth seeing before you die" just happened to fall under pretty much the same category. There are scary movies I like - Zombie, House on Haunted Hill, Night of the Living Dead (I thought Suspiria was crap though). I just don't think they fit the list because they're more of a pastime than something you gotta do before you die. Yes, entertainment is good, but entertainment plus a message is better. You really like using my words and taking them to the most extreme possible, don't you?

Personally, I do like Toy Story. It's probably one of my favorite Disney movies. I don't think it belongs on this list though. I think we're reading the title of this thread differently. When I think of something to do before I die, there has to be some sort of meaning behind it. I don't think watching Toy Story really had much of an effect on my life - it was more of a pastime. When I think of a movie that I have to see before I stop living, it should be something with some sort of value other than helping me get through the day. Maybe it makes me see something in a different light, makes me think about something more clearly. Movies that make me think. I like it when the entertainment doesn't stop as soon as the credits start rolling. Something like that is truly worthy of something to do before you die. It's a good idea, but a voting system seems a lot more hectic than just a rule of thumb of not picking mindless movies. Plus it would only be a reflection of the majority's tastes, which isn't fair for the guy who comes to this thread with a movie none of us heard of, despite it being a truly grand movie. Example: Cool Hand Luke Not to mention, this appears more like an experimental list to me. If tons of people say Lord of the Rings is a movie to see before you die, then chances are we probably all already seen it... and none of us are dead yet. :) If we're talking about things to see before we die, it should be things we haven't seen yet, right? [hide=]I'm glad these are on the list: A Clockwork Orange Requiem for a Dream Fight Club Pulp Fiction American History X The Green Mile Saving Private Ryan Full Metal Jacket Forrest Gump Ones that haven't been mentioned: Cool Hand Luke The Butterfly Effect The Devil's Advocate[/hide]

I realize that came off a lot harsher than I originally intended. I said the word "only". Of course I didn't mean to get rid of every movie that doesn't fit my requirement, because this is supposed to be TIF's collage of good movies. However, I do agree with Range and I think it would be best to set some rules that way we don't have Shrek on the list. I mean, if this was just a free for all then it wouldn't be a very accurate list of must see movies. My opinion on what a good rule would be was less mindlessness and more meaningfulness.

Who says the images can't add to the meaningfulness? :-s Yes, which mainly suck. Maybe none are just coming to mind, but I really can't think of something which I deemed as a "good movie" that had no story to it.

I thought this thread was about movies, not about books. I never said it was. All I was saying was that I think movies that have valuable stories and such should be on the list of must see movies rather than ones that consist of cheap laughs, explosions, and cute characters. Like I said though, it's purely subjective and I was just offering a suggestion.

Yeah. That's one of the reasons I like it here on TIF. Anyone can argue with anyone, and there really is no power involved. The mods certainly don't punish you for disagreeing with their beliefs. The only problem is with the ever-so-witty elitists who have a crowd of fanboys following them around. I guess that constitutes as a form of power. But oh well, nothing's perfect. Either way, TIF is still a great place for pure discussion.

Care to point them out? If you're going to make a claim like that, at least put some weight behind your words. He does have a point, especially with those kid movies like Shrek and Toy Story. I don't think they're terrible but they definitely shouldn't belong in a list of "must see" movies. I think it would be pretty hard to come up with a solid system though because it's purely subjective. But if you were to ask me, only movies with deep and meaningful stories and aren't only there solely for entertainment purposes?

I agree. Power will always override logic. I saw a picture that said something along the lines of, "I have a rocket launcher - your argument is invalid". Even though I usually hate those, it's so damn true. It doesn't matter how reasonable your argument is - as long as they have power over you, they can always just have it their way. Unfortunately, the only way to fight it is to have more power than them.

Is he really that righteous, or would the more righteous approach be to not tattle on a site that's there in order to let people view movies for free? I mean, it's not like they're going to lose that much money.

Is this censor evasion or just ironic? You're ironic.

I was denied my diploma because I haven't paid lab fees for my health class, even though I didn't have a choice to be in there or not. School is a miniature government. Control freaks with the most ridiculous codes of conduct you can think of.

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Honestly, I'd rather live in a world filled with dangerous lemon drop dealers than have freedom be so limited that it makes me claustrophobic. We shouldn't have to be afraid of living our normal lives - the authorities should only spend their time and energy where it's needed.

Deltona, Florida? That's where I live. :lol: Yeah, there are a lot of people classified as sex offenders here. The worst law I can think of is marijuana being illegal. It's funny how we're the land of the "free". We might not have it as bad as some countries, but it's still a lot worse than it should be.

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Yeah, that was pretty good. I also liked Metallica's versions of Breadfan and Am I Evil?

I'm glad these are on the list: A Clockwork Orange Requiem for a Dream Fight Club Pulp Fiction American History X The Green Mile Saving Private Ryan Full Metal Jacket Forrest Gump Ones that haven't been mentioned: Cool Hand Luke The Butterfly Effect The Devil's Advocate

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