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I've been moving all of today and yesterday. I'm so tired. At least it was good exercise though.

I gave up on Tactics for like the 3rd time. I'm really starting to hate that game. The enemy always has the upper hand in every way possible. You can't even train on the game because the enemies match your team's average level.

If alcohol and tobacco are legal, then there's no reason a drug that's less dangerous than the two should be illegal.

Metallica - Turn the Page

Iron Maiden - Alexander the Great

How do you feel about them? I like post counts. They represent how active you are as a member of TIF, and you can get an idea of a poster by seeing which topics they post on the most. On the bad side, they are a cause of spam. Also, some people feel as if it's a maturity/intelligence indicator. It shouldn't be taken that seriously. It's not exactly that hard to post for anyone. People with small post counts can be just as intelligent.

Nah, I'll probably take it easy on debate topics for a while. I'll let TIF recover from this one. But I will say that a centralized power can be a good thing, as long as people are free to live their normal lives without too much interference. I just happen to think personal safety is a step too far. Now off to make a topic about post counts. :razz:

Black Sabbath - Sabbath Bloody Sabbath

Slayer - Live Undead

You guys are tempting me to create a topic about the government in general.

It doesn't. The point of drinking is usually because you don't care about the long run. I can't say I fully agree with that, but I do believe in living for the day. You can get the best education in the world - never go to parties, always study, be an academic over-achiever. You can build the perfect future for yourself by struggling throughout your entire youth. Then you finally get your college degree. You get shot. All of your hard work was in vain. While you could have been having fun, you were working towards the long run and the long run never came. On the other hand, burning out too fast isn't very desirable either. There is a chance that you'll live into your 80's, so if you throw your life away as a kid then you are wasting years that way too. Not only that, but drinking in the name of living for the day can be a self-fulfilling prophecy, since alcohol accounts for a large number of deaths. I try and take the best of both worlds. Doing bad things but using moderation.

You're getting better at jokes Adrenal. Props. :mrgreen: Just out of curiosity, who is it that votes for that?

Coming from the guy who thinks having an outside dog is inhumane. Just shut up and go chew on a bone elsewhere. You're not helping the topic at all.

But it's not about wanting to not wear it. At least that's not what I'm arguing about. For argument sake, there are pretty legitimate reasons why your seat belt wouldn't be on. Some people forget to wear it and sometimes, when you are driving like a minute away at 20 mph, it is pretty unnecessary. But like I said, eating an excessive amount of hamburgers is pretty stupid, but do you think there should be a law prohibiting it? Or is that just breaching the individual's personal freedoms? I'm not saying there are any benefits to eating lots of hamburgers, I'm just saying the government doesn't have much business here.

There are tons of crazy laws. One I heard was that it's illegal to wear high heels on the sidewalk because one lady got her foot stuck in one of the cracks. Just take a look at some of these. A lot of those don't happen even once, yet there are laws about them. They are much rarer than cars lugging around inanimate projectiles, which probably happens everyday. No gorilla is allowed in the back seat of any car. See what I mean? They don't just make laws if it is a common thing, so nothing would be stopping them from making projectile laws, if they actually even cared about projectiles in the first place that is.

Furniture is just one example. Projectiles aren't limited to human bodies. Anything with the right shape or mass can be a projectile even deadlier than a body, yet there are absolutely no laws about this sort of thing at all. And it doesn't matter if having inanimate projectiles is a rare thing - there would still be a law about it if that was the true reason we have the seat belt law. Since when did rarity of an occurrence stop people from making laws about things?

I expected more from TIF. You guys aren't even debating me anymore. You just keep posting random pretentious junk trying to hurt my feelings, lol. I made this thread for a generic liberal debate, and all I get is this. It's about 99% your personal safety and 1% the safety of others. Seriously, I have never heard of a case of someone killing another person because they didn't have their seat belt on. That is the rare exception. It's along the same lines of second hand smoke killing someone - or operating heavy machinery and getting a heart attack from eating too much McDonalds, which kills an innocent person. It happens, but very rarely. People have to clean up dead bodies and pay for medical expenses because of tobacco and fast food being legal. This is blatant hypocrisy on the government's part right here. If they care about saving lives so much, then please tell me why they allow cigarettes? Oh yeah. They can make money off of taxing them. Just like they can make money from seat belt tickets. This is really a no-brainer. And I still can't believe that is what some of you guys' entire argument relies on, and the only one of mine you keep attacking is being trapped in a car, even though I've provided several better arguments than that. But no, every time I bring up a new argument, such as the cigarettes, it gets ignored and someone goes straight to the fire/water for the 20th time. By the way, moving heavy furniture which can be much sharper, harder, larger, and less air resistant than a person (the perfect projectile) is completely legal, so I highly doubt "projectiles" is the reason the government made it mandatory. Cigarettes, eating til you have a heart attack, and moving projectiles are all legal - and they all match the same arguments you guys have been repeating (it costs money, it can hurt others, people have to clean up your body, you're stupid if you do it) YET THEY ARE LEGAL!! What does that tell you? The government isn't some loving mothergoose fairytale trying to save every life they possibly can like some of you seem to think - they're more like a business. This should be making me angry, but actually it's hilarious.

Some of which are warranted, others which are ridiculous. What's your point? If there is one bad law then there's allowed to be more? I think it's stupid to make laws about subjects concerning you moreso than it concerns society. Suicide and abortion are very controversial - the government should take no part in having a say so in subjects so opinionated. I don't condone either of those (in fact I'm against them) but why should the government call all the shots? And why do they randomly choose to care about your safety in traffic but yet they could care less if you kill your lungs or liver or heart?

I just told you what my problem was like three times...

You still don't get my point? :shock: I wear my seat belt. That's not very relevant to the point though. It's about the government trying to control the simple aspects of our lives which shouldn't be their business, and using our health as an excuse - as if they actually cared about our health, with cigarettes and all.

Call it whatever you want with your witty little comments. I just think the government shouldn't have this much power over our lives.

The point is being missed again. I am not saying wearing your seat belt is a bad thing. I am saying having laws forcing it is what's bad. You would be crazy to eat 10 hamburgers, but you would be crazier to make a law restricting it.

Two? I think you'll see that I've given a pretty fair amount of points throughout this thread. Take a look. In any normal argument we're both going to be biased to a degree. You conveniently assume getting trapped in a car is a rare thing and I conveniently assume getting ejected and hitting another person is a rare thing. See how that works? Yes, there are obvious flaws in the link. I never said it was perfect. But it does give you a pretty accurate idea of what my opinions are.

They do the opposite of complement each other. I was sick to my stomach and spent almost the whole day in front of the toilet. :-X

Yeah you missed the point alright. Do I think wearing your seat belt is a good thing? Often times, yes. Your chances of living are higher if you wear it. But then again, the same goes for eating healthy. Do I think eating healthy is a good thing? Of course, but that doesn't mean it should be mandatory. It would just be silly for the government to make it illegal to eat more than 10 hamburgers a day. I bring up eating healthy again. Obesity causes health problems which cost money. If you think the government should control your safety habits because it cost people money, do you think they should control your diet too? Oh and let's not forget cigarettes. It's quite clearly hypocritical that they allow you to willingly get cancer but you can't refuse to buckle up. Maybe this is a money thing after all.