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That's exactly right. It does melt my problems away for a few hours, I'm not shy, I'll have more fun, relax, forget stuff. I do have the ability to do that anyway, just not to the same extent. It does strip me of that little voice in my head that tears me down. Which is exactly the reason that I love drinking it so much. People have become fatter due to junk food and lack of exercise. Laziness is something you can't measure, so yet again you've made a dumb point with no source. And like Zierro said about wanting things to be isntant, "it's because our technology is going at an exponential rate" so people expect things to be done incredibly fast. Sitting down with a book has nothing on sitting in the pub socialising. And sometimes asking somebody out needs that little push of courage. Oh, and another good point: "Alcohol has been around for a very very long time. It's not something that suddenly popped up a few years ago and caused this social decay you're speaking about." It's always been abused. It's just that in the past, people weren't aware of the dangers of it and there wasn't the media coverage that there is today to make people aware of the fact that people enjoy getting drunk. Okay then, let's go back to the point about video games. Video games make people violent and have led to murders. Little kids playing their favourite wrestling game might go and try out a move on their brother for a laugh, or some kid in the playground or whatever, and break the bones of the victim. People can also become addicted to video games, or spend hours playing them instead of exercising, which leads to eye problems from staring at the screen, and obesity. So, using your logic which dictates that alcohol is bad because it makes people violent and leads to health problems, that video games are also a terrible thing for the same reason. I am 17 and haven't considered learning to drive, however, like alcohol, I can see there are positive and negative sides. It's faster than walking, it requires less effort than walking, if you enjoy driving that's another positive side. However, it's expensive, it can lead to obesity if you never exercise, it's bad for the environment and if you have a crash you could kill somebody. You've never been drunk just like you've never driven, so using your logic again, you should hate cars and driving because there are health problems and the risk of death associated with it. You said you CAN be shy to imagine you could understand my predicament. Not that you ARE shy. I digress. Here, you had no other choice but to ring people up. You were desperate for somewhere to stay. You didn't need alcohol for courage here because phoning people up was almost a last resort for you. When I drink to overcome shyness, it's not a last resort. My shyness irritates me, but I can just about live with it. If it were a last resort, I'd have a few shots before college so I could socialise more. I'd have a can of beer before I left the house. Whereas for you, you had an awful lot of motivation as there was no real other option because you were so desperate for shelter - one of the basic things that humans need.

Wow, Perfetc said if he's not quoted again he'll stop posting! STOP QUOTING HIM!!! :XD: Lol but seriously I have to respond to this: "You can do all of the things you have listed without the effect of alcohol." It's incredibly difficult for me to overcome how annoyingly shy and quiet I am. I don't know why I'm like it, I just can't express myself easily at all. I hate it. So alcohol, even just a small amount, allows me to be more outgoing, if only for a few hours, it allows me to come out of my shell a bit and I have immense difficulty doing that without it. I can have fun without it, but nowhere near the same amount of fun. It just improves my social skills a lot. So no, I can't do many of the things listed without the effect of alcohol. That list also included relaxing - from what I gather you're a more aggressive drunk, so you might not identify with this, but a few drinks allow people to forget about deadlines, problems, stress, other crap and just relax a bit. Without alcohol it's more difficult to take your mind off whatever ails you or oppresses you, whatever keeps you up at night.

Sea of Treachery's cover of Paramore - Misery Business. I love both versions. [yt]v=Fn-VYmNDszc[/yt] Also, Ben Gibbard - Against All Odds (Phil Collins) Iron & Wine - Such Great Heights (Postal Service) The Academy Is... - Working Class Hero (I normally hate bands covering classic songs but this is pretty good. Opened my eyes to how amazing John Lennon's solo stuff is.)

That cover was hilariously bad. I mean, why try to cover a calm song like that with screaming morons? I couldn't bear to watch past the first chorus. It was just atrocious.

Those who can handle alcohol DO vastly outnumber those who can't. Think about it, whether you like it or not the majority of people drink (all age groups, not just the 15-25 age group). Now, you said "maybe they outnumber them but it is by no means vast" - I can't really think how to word this properly, it's been a long day - if as many people as you assume can't drink responsibly, the NHS would be in complete disarray, in a state of meltdown. Common sense shows you're wrong. The vast majority can drink responsibly. Remember again this is all age groups, so this includes older generations who enjoy a glass of wine with dinner or a pint of beer whilst watching TV. And the majority of teenagers who drink will only really drink at weekends anyway and so it doesn't become too much a problem for most of us. "Does he want to provide a source for his? Do you want to provide a source fo .... oh wait you don't have a point." He did have a point, did you even read his post? He was pointing out why what you said was once again incorrect. Did you expect Sworddude to just go "ahhh that's fine, I'll just let the guy be hideously wrong and not bother challenging him for it"? "since of course there are 5 people quoting me constantly on this thread" Because every time you post, you post something which is usually a) controversial, B) biased and/or ignorant, c) just plain wrong, or d) all of the above. And it's not just one of these comments per post, you have an annoying tendency to make several statements per post which are going to provoke challenging. Perfetc, I think you've made assumptions about drinking based on what you've witnessed yourself. You've seen it lead to violence, alcoholism and many other problems. You've also seen stuff on the television which is made with the sole purpose of converting the viewer to a cause. A programme about the dangers of alcohol will never say "but it's SO MUCH FUN!" will it? Just remember that not everywhere is like your area, and remember that the things you see on television about this subject tend to be a tad biased.

The first time you'd said the word "understand" after page ten was on page 13 or 14. You said it twice, then had the audacity to tell us to search how many times you'd said it. You clearly don't understand, because you keep arguing back.

I don't see what you mean about you can still argue. You can't argue for [cabbage]. And "you refused to accept my views as being my views wereas I accepted you had your views and I had mine" - we accepted your views but disagreed with them in the same way that you say you accepted our views but disagreed with them. Although, despite people accepting your views due to your reasons for them, I haven't noticed you accepting our views particularly, instead preferring to call us idiots for drinking and refusing to acknowledge our reasons as to why drinking it can be a positive experience. And as for the "you two are so close" bit, I don't remember ever talking to Zierro before. Actually we're not even talking to each other as far as I'm aware, we're talking to you whilst referencing each other. Go on, be unpredictable and reply telling us how silly it is that you're now posted 47 times on this thread or something equally relevant and entertaining.

Zierro's absolutely correct in that every time you post you shoot yourself in the foot. Couldn't have put it better myself. All your recent posts have gone from making no valid points to no points at all. You're not obliged to reply, so what if you think you have to reply? It's the internet, people won't care if you don't. You may aswell stop seeing as all you do now is bemoan the fact that you keep posting.

You're barely the third man when you're the one whose stupidity and sheer ignorance is what people are replying to. And you've run out of arguments I see. About bloody time.

This. Perfetc, you were pretty much asking for us to give as many reasons as possible why alcohol is good. However, it is the quality and not the quantity of these reasons that counts. I'd rather have one amazing reason than a thousand weak ones.

"I know what he meant, you don't understand what I mean. I meant universally, he meant individually." But he did state a fact, yet you said he didn't know what a fact was. You said a fact was a universal truth, but facts can be individual truths too. I don't understand how I've apparently misinterpreted this. "Exercise and meditation can release dopamine which makes you feel good so doing these can have the same effect as alcohol. Cocaine and amphetamines also do it, if you want to try them aswell." So it's wrong of us to want to drink alcohol, a legal drug, but it's just dandy if we go snorting illegal white [cabbage] up our noses. Okay then. And exercise doesn't make me feel good. Far from it. Some boffin in a lab might reckon it should, but every time I exercise, I just feel disgusting and worn out and pissed off about how such a small amount of exercise has worn me out so much. You'd argue that a hangover would make me feel disgusting, worn out and pissed off but if I had fun getting the hangover (not that I ever really get them often) then it doesn't matter. However I don't find exercise fun, and it DEFINITELY does not relax me in the slightest, it just winds me up. Also, I find meditation boring. "What about the person who said 95% of the world isn't responsable?" He didn't make a bunch of other stupid points at the same time, and how many people are responsible isn't something you can measure so it was pretty much just a throwaway comment that nobody really paid any attention to. ""You've even paid for members, I note; should you be looked down upon because I can't understand why you'd want to waste your money on that game? Hell, you might even be addicted to it for all I know" His words not mine look them up!" Ok I'm looking them up aaaand... he said "SHOULD YOU be looked down on...?" not "YOU SHOULD..." And he said "for all I know" which made it clear he wasn't accusing you of it. "I am far from fat, I am under weight. I sleep less than 8 hours a night out of choice. Any more?" So RuneScape hasn't affected you drastically in the same way that alcohol has not affected me drastically. You're not a fat insomniac, I'm not in rehab. SIMPLES! And if you're going to be picky about my choice of words in calling you an [wagon], a cretin is "one whose physical and mental development has been [developmentally delayed]ed or arrested due to thyroid deficiency" (source) and my thyroid glands are pretty well thanks. Actually, screw this, I've spent too many hours arguing against this stubborn, ignorant fool and I'm going to go [bleep] off and drown my liver in beer.

Firstly, I know I've written a lot, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DON'T JUST HIT "QUOTE" AND THEN TYPE UNDERNEATH IT!!! It stretches the page out a lot! Doing it like this, I can argue each point but where you just quote an entire block of text and don't use it is really annoying and pointless. You seem to not realise why. It's because every post you make is several paragraphs and, for the most part, makes you look less smart than you probably are. So it's easy for us to pick holes in because you make so many stupid points, which we can't help but comment on because you're so frustratingly ignorant, so you defend yourself with a few more paragraphs for us to respond to. You've made it clear you think we're wrong too. By the same logic, you're forcing your opinions on us. And we're not trying to make you drink - that's your personal decision which you have a very good reason for. We're just trying to make you understand that the majority of us drink responsibly. You just haven't realised this because in your area they're probably drinking responsibly inside a house whereas you go outdoors and see people falling over and vomiting. "Fact is a universal truth" is the bit about your post that pissed me off most actually. What the guy you quoted said was this: -YOU, Perfetc, are a more aggressive drunk. This is a fact. -HE, Ss_J9_Goten, is a happier drunk. This is also a fact. You managed to take it completely out of context. Both the above statements are facts. For example, it is a fact that I am white. It is a fact that my friend is black. It is a fact that another friend is Chinese. What you said was equivalent to someone saying "all humans are white." Do you see what I'm getting at? But not all of us can relax as easily. So there is a need for it. People have stressful situations such as work or education to cope with so it's nice to just let yourself go and relax a bit without having to worry about deadlines or whatever. Your experiences of the bad side of drinking look like they have lead you to believe that there is only a bad side. Actually you said so before, "there is no other side." I do understand why you'd be against drinking but if you opened your mind a bit you might see why others do enjoy it. "Just because you don't know it doesn't mean it is wrong" - so, just because you haven't desired the feeling of being drunk doesn't mean it is wrong to desire it. The fact of the matter is that your supposed "facts" haven't been sourced, other than one exception which didn't help your argument as it said that alcohol does not kill brain cells. We know, but you've exaggerated it a bit. A lot actually. He was making an assumption to turn the situation around so you could see it from a different perspective. He did not call you an addict. He said you might be addicted for all he knows. He also did not say you should be looked down upon, he asked whether it was right to look down on you for 'wasting' money in the same manner that you look down on us for 'wasting' our money. I think where he said "so does playing RuneScape" he was referring to the long-term implications such as obesity and insomnia. And in case you didn't read the first few sentences of this post, go read them now before you go quote like an [wagon].

A mint lasts for a couple of minutes, and you're not chewing. Well if you are, it lasts a few seconds so not a lot of stomach acid is produced because it knows you're not eating much. Whereas gum lasts for, what, 20-30 minutes? I know I've had gum in for a couple hours before. So the stomach thinks you're eating a proper meal and will therefore produce enough acid to digest a meal.

The Book of General Ignorance only really says that alcohol doesn't kill brain cells. But yes, a good book indeed. Albeit one not written by Stephen Fry, he only writes the foreword. And the last two lines of the post above are a good point well made :thumbup:

Riku and Dizzle weren't stating facts. Well, Dizzle sort of did, but it's not something you can measure so it didn't really count. Anyway, being a Stephen Fry fan I own said book. What page number?

This. I wasn't young, but when we walked into the dark lift there was this big black guy who worked there, wearing a black suit, and so me and my friend didn't spot him and he came up to us and went "BONJOUR!!" Safe to say we both shat ourselves and he carried on making us jump for the rest of the lift ride -.-

THIS IS EXACTLY WHY EVERYONE THINKS YOU'RE BEING IGNORANT. If I, a drinker, can see that there is a bad side to drinking, then you, a non-drinker, should be able to see that there is a good side to drinking, if only in moderation. I'll tell you what I'm going to do. I'm going to inform you that I'm not drinking right now, experiencing the other side. In fact most other people replying to your "opinions" (because good god they are not facts) are sober more often than not. Nobody claimed to know everything about alcohol. Far from it. But we can assume most of what you're saying is bull[cabbage] because you haven't sourced a single thing. We're not throwing up facts left right and centre, we're saying our opinions on alcohol rather than coming up with crap like "When you drink alcohol it makes your brain grow more slowly" etc. I used to drink diluted wine as a child. By the age of ten I'd've had at least a bottle over the course of my life. Which is enough to get people drunk. Possibly even two people (lightweights...) So what you said is a bit pointless really. The thing that was being brought up there was that you categorised alcohol as one thing when there are many, many different ways to drink it. There are so many thousands of different cocktails and different types of beer, wine etc that you can't just say "I don't like alcoholic drinks" whereas Nadril not liking strawberries is just not liking one flavour so that's fine. And you disliking fish is fine because of the texture and they tend to taste pretty similar. Unlike alcoholic drinks. But you clearly are. My first quote shows that. "There is no other side" I don't think you even seem to really understand what we're trying to tell you. Also, we can't really understand what you're trying to tell us, because you seem to type your entire trail of thought and then hit submit... Read over what you've put before posting to make sure everything makes sense

Someone I know of had a dolphin tattooed on her chest. She got fat and the dolphin turned into a whale...

Try acid and/or then just get monstrously drunk.

I'm already running late for work so this'll be quick, "binge drinking is classed as 3 pints!" That's not binge drinking, that's just being over the limit. There is a difference. "I wonder how many pages I have been defending myself from this on slaught of pro alcohol people?" Do you know why that is? Because almost every point you make is completely ignorant and either biased or wrong. And Sworddude made a good point about not all alcohol tasting nasty. You say you didn't like vodka - I agree, straight vodka tastes like crap, however when it's mixed with coke or orange juice or something it's actually quite nice. Could go on but I have to dash.

I'm not a smoker so I don't appreciate how difficult it is, but I hear this works to an extent. Basically when you want to smoke, you just tell yourself you won't have a cigarette in the next five minutes. Then, after five minutes, think "well I've already managed five minutes, I can manage another five" etc Either that or try cutting down bit by bit. Good luck! :

Eating too much gum makes your brain thinks you're eating, so it produces extra stomach acid which leads to a load of stomach problems. Plus I think people chewing gum look a bit gormless. I'll stick to a mint next time I have hangover breath.

A Local Guy's one reminded me: Green Day's cover of Lennon's Working Class Hero. Sounds horrible with the full band playing it. Also, Girls Aloud are one of my favourite bands but their cover of Walk This Way with Sugababes was dreadful. (I feel I should be ashamed of admitting I love them but what the hell, they're SO catchy)

Ah man I love that song! :thumbup:

LOL YES I'd forgotten about that bit! The bit where he craps in a bag's the best though lmao. I'm shocked Sacha Baron Cohen doesn't get recognised more during the stunts that aren't set up.