How would you know that if you don't have a chaotic weapon? Most of the chaotic weapons are well worth the amount of time it takes. OT: Sup Skully m8, solo dg (dungeoneering) to 50, bind a prom 2h and platebody, come dg with me, and we'll get you a chaotic rapier. I don't know how your bank is, but extreme pots and turmoil are definitely worth getting.. Uh.. Slayer is still profitable.. Farming makes 5m/hr at level 85, 85 dungeoneering makes 3-4m/hr at frost dragons (guide in AOW). DKs are still a very good moneymaker. Pony is outdated seeing as EE/EEE and Soul Split is better, and a yak just makes things easier. Then of course, there's a ton of quests, with new void equipment (deflector) and a new overpowered spec weapon (korasi's sword). Godswords are totally outdated, with the exception of corp, where BGS is the most convenient spec weapon. AGS is outperformed by dragon claws, SGS by EE/EEE, and ZGS.. yeah. Zarfot quit, Zezima is back. Efficiency seems to be a mantra for the community, and I can see why, but expect comments if you are not efficient (granted, it's gotten better, since it's been thoroughly discussed). wb bro