Iamdan

Try aussie hip hop, perfect for driving with imo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP4LG1T-9Ww http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tInQ6ewZhHU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlwcJD7Smtc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTrmW56qI0c http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fMhq8AfwnA

I can't be bothered going through the list properly, especially since it's just some person's opinion, but deus ex should be much higher, dragon age and jade empire should be on that list, kotor should be higher, oblivion was terrible imo, and where the [bleep] is monkey island?

I tried goa psytrance and psybient, goa is the closest so far but it is much slower. Sort of a cross between goa and psybient. It's slower than goa with more effects that kind of come in waves and intertwine with each other. It wasn't a song I found on youtube, just some dj at a park. I wish I had asked him what it was.

On that note she came over last night, every cell in my body wanted to kiss her (It didn't help that she obviously wanted to) but I decided to give the whole thing a miss. If we took it any further than hanging out she's the type that would have expectations, and I'm really not looking for a relationship atm. Especially after seeing couples around me who have been together a while. No lives other than each other and they seem to hate each other half the time anyway. I also can't believe I even care, I usually wouldn't about something like that.

tbh I'm not that tan either. Not being tan shouldn't hurt unless you're really pale. No. Depends on the girl. Saying personality is always more important is like saying the only thing that all men care about in relationships is sex. That being said, for most people personality is important. I wouldn't date an [wagon], but I'd be more likely to date a really good looking guy who was kind of a jerk than a hideous one. Call it shallow, but it's the truth. The reason why most people are ugly is because of things they can change. Bad skin, weight, lack of muscles, hair, all things that can be changed. Sure, some people at the base are more attractive than others, but anyone can look good if they put effort into it. That's basically what I've been saying, I posted the before and after shots of style and everything :wall: You'd be surprised, a lot of girls like shyer guys (especially those who are naturally good looking), but still, you have a point. That's my 'thing,' I don't give away much at first and slowly come out with the interesting stuff about me as she qualifies herself. (I do it naturally, not saying I plan it) I think it works because the girl feels like more is being shared with her than most other girls, which makes her feel special and helps with comfort etc.

I'm confused. You seem to be under the impression what I said contradicted what you said. Personality is the main thing, but you need to present yourself well physically too.

Personality is important, but it won't matter most of the time if you look like a mess. I'd say it's generally about 80% personality and 20% looks, and for guys it's 80% looks and 20% personality.

You could get a spray tan, or some of that tanning moisturizer stuff. In any case I'm sure there are other things you can work on. Hair, clothing etc.

Talking about the economic situation? You don't attract a girl with logical and thoughtful conversation, have fun! If there is an awkward silence play [bleep] marry kill or something.

He didn't get plastic surgery, the little things add up and make a huge difference. He shaved his head, got a tan and piercing, changed his hideous facial hair, spent $35 on teeth whitening, got contacts, started working out etc. All you need to do is to spend a little time learning about fashion, invest more time in taking care of yourself, and not be scared of change.

I've been saying it this whole thread. Your looks (the ones you were born with) do not matter. It's how you present and take care of yourself. Personality is also much more important for girls than it is for guys. Look at the before and after shot of neil strauss: Anyone can look great if they lose the 'i want a girl who likes me for who i am, sweatpants and all' crap,

Avoiding awkwardness is just about having a strong frame. Don't act awkward and they won't be, which will make it comfortable for yourself too.

It had no lyrics, it was kinda techno - I'll check out psychedelic trance.

I heard some music being played, best way I can describe it is that it's lsd but music. It was trippy but strangely addicting, and it made me want to think about stuff. My first guess was 'trance' but I listened to a few songs and none sounded similar.

It's other things too, like the lack of talking and movies being cliche. I've never understood why people hook up in movies, why not just go back to one of your places? ot, and I know I've said it like 10 times in this thread, but role playing is so damn good it's like a cheat code.

Do 3x8, any more reps and the weight is too low. Do a few exercises concentrating on different muscles and rotate the sets.

Q1:What is something you write down to remember? A: my work shifts Q2:What is something you hear on the radio besides music? A: ads Q3:Why might a taxi driver say he had a bad day? A: someone jumped the cab Q4:What is something you're likely to forget in your car? A: my phone Q5:Name an item you would find in a 3-day survival kit. A: knife Q6:What is something you may find on top of a mountain? A: trees Q7:What is something you would hate to find in the food your eating? A: hair

*curious* Care to share? :D I'm itching to tell people about it, but it's really not appropriate for the forums. I can see myself getting banned if I told you guys any stories it's that bad. Did you read the story I posted before the rollback?

If you're attracting the girls you don't want, talk to the girls you do want :mellow:

That my friend, is a limiting belief that can only hurt you. I should add that social proof alone won't do it (unless it's lots of social proof, an inexperienced girl, or a combination) but every piece helps.

Thought I'd post some random ideas on building attraction before you even talk to the girl. I've been experimenting with it and gotten 3-4 girls attracted, and 1 girl who actually wants to be FBs (so our mutual friend says) and I've talked to her once ever for about 2 minutes. The pua material talks about social proof where either somebody talks about you positively, or you are seen either as a leader of a group, or with women. I talk up my friends and they do the same, it raises both our value because when I say things about a friend to raise his value, he wouldn't be hanging out with me unless I also have value. Then you have being seen as the leader of the group. Position yourself so you're the one leaning back on a wall or something so it looks like everyone is gaming you. You don't have to be the loudest and biggest to be the alpha of the group, just position yourself well and have alpha body language, which brings me to the part I've been experimenting with. An alpha male moves slowly but deliberately, without many sudden movements. He does not qualify himself or make excuses for personal flaws, or brags. His focus is where he is, he isn't looking around because the fun isn't elsewhere. He isn't impressed by anything the beta male does and he isn't looking for anyone's approval.

I have something interesting to add to that. Back in the day, monogamy didn't exist. Males and females just mated with whoever they were attracted to. Males in power would have numerous fertile women that he wanted for himself (to raise his own value) which brought about adultery. After the laws were passed it was only a matter of time before it became part of the culture, and now having multiple partners is often looked down upon.

I'm glad you asked that girl out. In fact I'm glad you got rejected, because now you know it's not as bad as you thought. The nice guy stuff comes from how we are raised, and trying to make the adults happy. Our mums bought 'nice' clothes for because they would make us a 'nice boy' and we went along with it and learned how to eliminate conflict and all the other needy traits. Girls do sometimes settle for nice guys who are providers, (at later ages it means they have money) but they are still hardwired to cheat on/leave them for an alpha male. Women can see through the fake, but after some time it won't be fake anymore. Just like riding a bike :thumbup: Check back through this thread for my posts and copy and paste them if you want to help him. (In fact, if you do send me a copy of my posts so I can put them all in 1 spot) The only advice I'll give now that I haven't already said is since he see's her often the game changes. It's not a 20 minute club pickup, he can take his time and give her time to miss him. Open her, talk a little, DHV and maybe run a routine then tell her he has to go. Come back another time, use callback humor* to get her in an attracted state again and continue. After 3-4 times he can get her numberand ask her out. DHVs, routines, asking a girl out and getting a number have all been covered in depth throughout the thread. *Callback humor is when you bring up something funny from your initial conversion, which gets her back into an emotive and attracted state. A nickname, a tease, continuing a role play etc. edit: I just remembered this from ages ago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBajY8W0xjw It proves it's not what you talk about, but how you talk about it. Neil either wrote in his book or emailed me that mystery would go out with the pua's leeching off him, and they would run their best routines and he would recite his shopping list, and he would still do better.

Over the years I've found it's best not to take attraction advice from girls. They are good at the relationship stuff but when it comes to the initial attraction, from what I've seen they say something but respond to something different. I mean sure, a nice guy sounds good, but when you have a wussbag that you aren't attracted to being all needy I'm sure it would be a completely different story. I mean a girl has experience with things like relationships, and all kinds of skills guys don't. Attracting other girls - not so much. (usually) I'm sure I'm not the only guy here who has had a deep and meaningful with a girl that has ljbf'd him that went something like 'I'm sick of jerks, I want a nice guy like you." and then went off and found a new jerk boyfriend.

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