Iamdan

imo, calling drunk sex rape is demeaning to the people who actually have been raped. It's a serious and horrible crime, not something that should be thrown about. Also, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1546789/Drunk-women-can-consent-to-sex-judges-rule.html

Not a whole lot.. I bought my 360 console, paid $20ish for a cod4 key, $35 on tales of money island, $10 on dungeon keeper 2, $30ish on css. Maybe $15 on rs p2p. That's about it, the rest was either pirated or bought by my brother.

If a girl has sex while drink it means she did want to. The alcohol just does things like remove her concern about being though of as a [bleep]. Anyway, the rule is that if you're drunk too it's fine.

If society is the only reason why girls dress attractively, why do some do it and other not? Why would society go that way in the first place? We are all gaming, it's just the pursuit of women. That's what the community came up with, you can't really just put your own meaning onto it. Using things like attraction switches is considered good game. Doing things like spilling your heart to her before you get physical and following her around like a puppy is considered bad game. If you are attracted to her and want to be with her, and you act specifically around her, you're consciously trying to game her. Everyone does this, I act differently around my parents to my friends to if I had a gun pointed at my face. We act accordingly to the situation. If we didn't then humanity wouldn't be anywhere near as successful as it has been, and this thread wouldn't exist. Your problem seems to not with doing it consciously, but having a complete strategy for it. I have no idea why having a strategy could be a bad thing. Those who use the strategy without thinking about it (naturals) seem to be ok, but what about the guys who can't naturally attract women as well as they would like? Should they be doomed to settling for someone they aren't completely happy with? Maybe that's part of the reason why the divorce rate is so high. I don't see what's fair about that. Seems to me 'you're get what you're given in life and that's it' is a good way to fail. How do you know if you would be interested in a girl you haven't met? If you just keep to the women who are thrust into your life with no choice (coworkers, friends of friends etc) then your choices will be extremely limited. Nothing wrong with talking to a random girl to see if you like her, after all, there is a qualification stage in what I do. But wait, if she is attractive then she will cold shoulder you and not allow normal conversation because she is used to guys hitting on her. Well that's fine, you're just seeing if you like her first. Better disqualify yourself as a partner to allow conversation to see if you like her. Oh damn, turns out you do like her but she just wants to be friends because you skipped to the comfort stage and didn't build attraction. Maybe your friend's girlfriend has a hot sister who will like you, then again maybe she's unattractive and if you want choice you have go to out and meet people yourself. @both: Where does the line go? I'd be very surprised if you both read one of my posts saying something like putting a girl on a pedestal is a bad way to attract her and then not taken that into consideration when you meet a girl you like. Asking for advice here means you're looking for a strategy, it's not as black and white as you seem to think.

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Having meaningful conversations about things that you only tell close friends with a girl you aren't physical with generally means friend zone. If said girl has a boyfriend, It's almost definite unless you're like 14.

So many things wrong here. First of all, whenever you're keen on a girl and trying to attract her, you're gaming her whether you're a socially inept nice guy or a pua. We're all 'gaming,' the only difference between me and the next guy is that I have a clue, and I have a wider choice. The goal of gaming isn't to get laid, it's whatever you want it to be. Gaming also isn't restricted to clubs and pubs only. Girls use 'methods' to attract guys, do you think they wear high heals and miniskirts because they are comfortable? Our 'methods' are different because guys and girls are attracted to different things. Girls aren't objectified, it just sounds like that in pick up material because it's an efficient way to get a point across. It's a HB8, rather than a-really-attractive-female-who-is-equal-to-men-and-has-feelings-too-and-isn't-a-sex-object. Oneitis is basically when a guy is obsessed with a girl he has next to no chance with, no other girl will do, and he can't see that his efforts are futile. The more he likes her and the longer he is around her the more he screws it up for himself. It's not an actual relationship.

Your frame and the situation is important too, I guess you just gotta know when to do it.

And that is? :mellow: I was kinda iffy about trying it out, but I've never gotten a bad response because nobody has an default reply to it. Only been stopped once, and normal conversation resumed straight away.

In my experience it just gets you walked over. I think I might have just gotten friend zoned by waiting too long, should be able to fix it though. Might try cavemanning, and I have a couple other thoughts too.

It makes sense, most guys build comfort before (or often instead of) attraction because nice guy syndrome is so common.

The 3 second rule is to make cold approaches appear spontaneous, and to help reduce approach anxiety. Nether are applicable online, so no.

How old were you when it worked? I'm guessing not much older than 16. As I said, gaming girls in high school is like looking for sand on a beach. Once they get older they fit more and more into my 'model' of how attraction works. I'm not telling him to break contact because of my experience, while my emotional side needs work my logical side is fine. I haven't lost faith and I'm working on my issues, it's not a conscious decision to be how I am. I'm not saying it because of what I've gone through, it's because it's true. Girls just don't date their best friends, guys who want to have faith are the ones keeping gurus like style in business. As for evolving past the point of breeding, evolution takes a long time and it probably won't ever catch up to society. Attraction isn't a choice. Oh he's still here. When I'm not losing touch with reality or having a panic attack I'm a party animal :thumbup:

fruitdisc00 I've been down this path, and I didn't have anyone to tell me to break contact. That single girl and the train wreck of our 'relationship' (me being in love with her, and her keeping me around as a therapist and a self esteem boost for a couple years before going out with my best friend) is a huge part of the reason why I'm so [bleep]ed up. I still get depression relapses, I still have depersonalization disorder, I'm emotionally numb, (which in turn could be the cause of my panic disorder) and unable to be attracted to any other girl other than on a physical level. This is years and years later. Though it is the reason why I made myself learn to attract women so I have something to be thankful for it. I'm not saying it will end the same for you, but just keep it in mind. Love is a damn powerful emotion. Girls just don't go out with their best friends. Ask any girl who knows what she is talking about. (19+ probably) They think differently to guys, I'd bet my car that she looks at you in a completely different way than you look at her.

^ my thoughts exactly Girls do not go out with their best friends, regardless of what happens in romantic comedies. She's a girl, good friends are harder to come by than alpha males. If you like playing the therapist and torturing yourself by all means go ahead and keep doing what you're doing. Otherwise break contact with her until you are over her, at the very least start talking to other girls.

Electric guitar + amp, couple psychology and philosophy books, scotch, about $100, multi tool, beach and bath towel, chocolate, car polish and movie tickets.

I'm 6 ft 4 and do this a few times a week

Okay. Couldn't you just lie down on a bench at the station ? I'd rather be eyed and hit on than mugged and raped. D: It's a urban train station in a quiet Australia city, at 2:40 in the morning, which at another time would be mildly populated. It's not as if some junkie shot up on smack would "mug and rape" you. Really? From what I've seen brisbane and the valley are always packed with weird [bleep]s

yeah but where's the fun in that?

It was like 2:40am on a monday, the trains didn't start till 5 and everything else was closed. It was a pretty fun there actually, I can handle seeing guys grope each other. Even the 15 minute solo performance by the transexual was bearable.

I got hit on/eye [bleep]ed at a gay club, kind of flattering.

Opening is so easy. Just do something playful or ask her opinion on something. If you can't think of something make up a story on a relationship or something else girls are into. Hey, you're awesome! Hi five! You know what, you're awesome too! Hi five! *do the hair touch thing) Oooooohh I can't believe you fell for that. So.... Hey there, quick opinion on something. I was having a debate with my ex (pre selection, protector of loved ones, check.) about whether or not guys can tell if a girl is wearing make up. I'm pretty sure most guys can't but girls can. (social knowledge, check) (she answers, and you can go on that if you want. otherwise:) Are you wearing make up? (pretty much a guaranteed yes for any girl over 16) Oh, let me see your hand. (slap it playfully, humor, check.)That's for cheating. If she says no, I'm glad you can go out and not be concerned about your looks. (make sure she knows you're joking) 4 attraction switches and you've only started the conversation. Or just walk up and say: Hey, I'd be kicking myself all day if I didn't come up and say hi to you.

I'm against it. I think doubling efforts into growing new organs would be a better idea.

not a bad idea, how do you use the blogs on this forum?

Soo tired today.. Was up until 4. Had someone over keeping me up, and she twitched in her sleep so I didn't sleep much after 4 anyway. Did alright in a poker tourny though, top 20ithish. Went all in with a high 2 pair and he was slow playing a straight, while I thought he was chasing a flush #-o