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I think it also just illustrates that there was never as many hard-core PKer's as the PK community tried to make it out to be.

Nobody that actually gets any sort of drop - boots, tassets, whatever - actually hangs around and tries again. Especially if it's a solo/duo attempt. Chances are not just high, its a certainty, that he simply got the usual junk drop from Graardor.

To be honest, I think half this discussion is a lightly veiled attempt to advertise RWT'ing - who to contact, and how to get it done. For Jagex to legally implement RWT, they would have to be the ones to sell the money/goods. Any other form of it leads to the gold farmers and credit card fraud. And if Jagex becomes the seller, it destabilizes the rest of the game. If this was an adults-only game like some of those other types (second life?), they could work something out. But with the majority of players not being adults, there is all sorts of issues with a system of buying gold/items. I think it was mentioned somewhere that simple gambling addiction (staking for big rs money) was becoming a bit of an issue. Get enough parents complaining about their kids stealing their credit cards to pay for RS cash, and Jagex would definitely have a problem. RWTing does still exist, but the changes by Jagex has eliminated the credit card fraud, at least the bulk of it. For that single reason alone, Jagex is unlikely to change the current system. Just because a few traders have found the loopholes that allow a limited amount of RWT, doesn't mean that Jagex needs to roll back the system. No matter the argument, the reality is quite easy to see - Jagex is not losing players (they in fact added more worlds!) - and the gold farming bots are indeed gone. I think it's worth mentioning, yet again, that while RWT'ing is what people focus on, it was the underlying method to gather the RS gold for RWTing that Jagex *had* to eliminate. The gold farmers. And they succeeded. So even if you *can* still RWT - where does the RS gold come from? While a few individuals may be able to amass a fortune - one that probably was made before the changes, via the gold farming - it's quite a bit more difficult to sweatshop the gold now. For instance, lets look at the supposed selling of characters with high stats. I'm not saying that it cannot be done, but how can it be done without spending a serious amount of time building those stats up? Even if you use a bot to create those stats, the character will still need to be in-game long enough that any credit card fraud on that account will also show up. So for Jagex, even if they deem it illegal in the game rules (and could easily ban it at any time), at the very least there was no credit card fraud with that account. Which is the main problem for them.

This *is* a rant about the changes to wildy and PKing, plus it's an attempt to justify going back to that old system. If it was an honest discussion on the part of the original poster, there would be even the slightest chance to change his/her mind about it. I frankly don't see that happening. If they haven't changed their mind during the several hundred threads on this subject, they are not going to do it now. It doesn't matter, though. No matter how many "discussion" there is about the changes, no matter how many signatures, Jagex will not go back to that system. Using the excuse that RWT is still going on will fail, and fail miserably. People have already posted about the main reasons for the changes - credit card fraud in conjunction with gold farmers. The gold farmers are nearly gone, and I wager the credit card fraud has gone down enough that Jagex is no longer being threatened by the banks. PKing in the wildy made it far too easy to mass-farm gold - have the drones do their things, bring them in the wildy, kill them off in a corner, done deal. BH may still allow RWT, but it's still much easier to oversee that it is more difficult to RWT. It's made gold-farming/selling just unprofitable enough to keep most of the RWT out. Is there still some? Yes. Is there enough to force Jagex to change? Not now. And if there was, the last thing they would be doing is going back to the old system! The hardest part for people to understand, or possibly, simply to accept, is that Jagex as a business has no choice in this matter. They cannot go back to the old system for real life financial reasons. What's going to happen if BH or any other system becomes a major venue for RWT and resultant gold farming and fraud, then they will shut. it. down. No rollbacks to the old system. No old wildy back. It's not happening. If you want to have a construction *discussion*, discuss ways to have PKing work without any hint of RWTing.

Ignoring the blatant attempt to insult anybody that doesn't agree with you (which is a good way to have anybody dismiss any points you make), what exactly do *you* require from people to make them care enough? A lot of people do actually care about the people suffering in other countries, for instance, but that doesn't translate to them actually upsetting their entire lives to go over and try and do something. Which would be a mistake anyways, for a variety of reasons. It doesn't mean they haven't reached the intellectual development of a 7yr old child, it just means that there are limits to what people can afford to care about. I know everybody whose RS life revolved around these parts of the game is drastically affected. What is everybody else supposed to do about it? If *they* enjoy the game as it is at present, where is *your* concern for *their* POV?

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Lvl 100 Cave Crawlers drop green coins quite often.

If you look only at numbers of people online, it looks like it dropped. But when I'm wandering around the world, and especially, when I'm doing slayer tasks, chopping wood, fishing, smelting, and other tasks, it looks even more crowded than before. However, when I'm fishing, I don't click on a spot and see 1500 fisherpeople with names like ave2906, ave2907 anymore. Ditto towards any of the yew spots. So I'd say the simple elimination of all those f2p and p2p bots has certainly eliminated a large percentage of the "population". But those were artificial numbers anyways. (oops, bad pun there). So to me, it looks like the changes were very popular. If I was a pker I might feel differently, but since I don't hang out in that 1 area, I don't notice it.

I think some basic and rather broad misconceptions are roaring like wildfire through this thread. One is that these poor people must be starving to death living in cardboard shacks if they are only making $200 a month. That ignores the fact that cost of living differs from country to country. China is still much cheaper than most (all other?) developed nations, and $200 a month may be quite a bit of money to this person. I'd say it's quite likely that it is, especially if they can afford this computer and internet connection in such a place. Another is that this person is going to somehow mystically starve to death (and his/her family too!) if they don't have this job gold farming in runescape. Like nearly everywhere else in the world, they'll just get another job. Probably another gold farming job in a different game, of course, but another job. I could argue that it would be a good thing that they have to find some other work besides sitting at a computer having a virtual character chop wood or fish for food... In my personal opinion, if you are so concerned about these people, spend your time being concerned about the actual starving people in developing countries who don't have a computer, don't sit at a computer in a nice safe environment all day, and do have much more dire problems with getting fed, getting medical help, getting shelter over their heads. Just because they don't have the ability to directly impact your lives through a net connection doesn't mean they don't exist.

While I'd agree this method would work, with a more limited amount of BH worlds and a more limited area (the BH itself) to work in, it's much easier to oversee and catch such acts now. If such acts are indeed taking place right now, Jagex may be allowing it in the short term because it gives them a good list of offenders to clean up in one sweep, both the gold farmers themselves and the buyers. Would be good for pr, send a fairly effective message out to the buyers at the same time. All in all, my opinion towards all these "OMG, RWT still exists!" threads is that they are basically propaganda attempting to convince Jagex to change back to the old system. That will not happen. They may change to a new system in the future, especially to placate the PvP, but they will never go back to the old system. And whatever system they will be going to, it will take time to get there. A 1000 threads by people missing their thrill of staking or killing another person in PvP won't hurry that process.

Lighthouse lvl.74 daggs range attack almost never hit you if you have even just rune armor on. So you can be surrounded by 20 and barely eat at all while killing them. There are a few lvl.92s that hit 8's with their melee attack, but you can avoid them easily after you've been there for a little bit so that they stop auto-attacking you.

Cheaper and more efficient than a DFS is getting yourself a full Guthans set and a rune defender. You'll get through the tasks much quicker that way, as you can use the full guthans to heal, letting you camp at most tasks till they are finished. And with the rune defender you'll do more damage, getting through the tasks that much quicker. While the DFS may raise your strength a bit more than the defender, the defender is going to raise your attack a lot more, which adds up to more damage dealt over time.

At 91 combat, you'll either die quickly at the waterbirth island dagganaths, or you will go through a lot of prayer pots. Even at 102 combat I would be doing that - the waterbirth island dagganaths are much harder hitting than the ones in the lighthouse. Waterbirth island dagganaths are not that profitable unless you go there to get the pieces to make armor, and even then there's not much money in it. Plus you need a friend to help you get into the spots to get the armor pieces. OTOH, the lighthouse daggs you can just sit there and kill them quickly, finishing the slayer assignment and going off to do something much more profitable.

With your high range and prayer, I would do avianses with rune crossbow and mith bolts. I have no problem getting 300-400 addy bars per 2-3 hour trip, and even with the cost of prayer pots and mith bolts factored in, I total about 400k an hour profit with all the various high-alched rune daggers, rune limbs, and other drops. I usually even get a few ranarrs during the trip, making back the prayer pots used. The fact that you get to keep leveling up range at the same time is a bit of a bonus there. Black dragons were a lot slower to range in terms of kills/profit an hour, to be honest. I didn't need to use prayer pots, but the drops were not that hot, and the chance of getting a visage is rather low. Metal dragons are not that bad, but they are also not that great. While I have gotten 1 dragon legs off them, that's off of about 5-6 slayer tasks - that is not quick money. Especially as they are only 1.2 mill now. But you do have at least a possibility of a visage drop off them as well. But metals and black dragons are a gamble, while avianses are a certain profit. So I vote for the wee little addy dropping birdsies.

Do every single herblore exp giving quest there is - the troll stronghold quests (edgers ruse and My Arm) gives about 20k exp total right there. Then the traditional way - kill chaos druids in the taverly dungeon, make potions at the highest level you can from the herbs you gather. Since there is usually many players looking only for ranaar and higher, it would only take a few minutes to get a full inventory of guam, tarromin and marrentill from what they ID and drop on the floor. For maximum herbage, farm all the herb seeds you can at the same time.

So I decided to finally finish up the Recipe For Disaster quests, and ran into a minor problem. When I got to ape atoll with my Monkey Greegree from Monkey Madness - I could not equip it. It won't let me change into a monkey. It is enchanted, it has the glowing red eyes, but it won't let me change. The funny thing is, the unenchanted greegree's that I was carry, I could equip them, they just wouldn't do anything as they were unenchanted. Is there something else I need to have with me on ape atoll that I am missing? The 10th squad sigil? I did have the monkey speak amulet with me as well, and tried all combinations of equipping it and unequipping it. Thanks for any help offered.

Abyss. I stocked up on about 30 mithril pickaxes while doing the imp hunter minigame. Run to the abyss with black dhide, boots of lightness, spottier cape and a glory. Lost one glory to a pk over the course of about 5000-6000 nats, which was me not being careful, really. Given the time savings and the money you can make, it's worth even the occasional pk.

Autoers lower the cost of *everything*, that is the problem that some people do not seem to realize. Yes, they lower the cost of raw materials so that players can get their 99's cheaper - or so you would think. But it also lowers the amount of money a real player can make as well. Which lowers the amount they can spend on *other* raw materials than the ones they gather. It's the hand-made vs. walmart situation. Cheap sweatshop labor does make it easier to buy goods for people with lower incomes, but moving that labor off onto another countries shoulders for pennies simply removes jobs from the country buying the goods. Yes, everything is cheaper, but everyone is also poorer at the same time.

True that - if I was ever cleared out, I'd just sit down with a small net and fish 400k worth of monks. Spend that on pure essence and glories, rc up to a million. Or just hunt red chins for a day or two. I think everybody should get at least one money-making skill to a high enough point to recover from nearly anything. Items and money they can steal, but not skills.

I fished lobbies and sharks vs. monks at lvl 78, and there is no comparison to the speed of monks. Far more experience than lobbies, and faster to fill an inventory than lobbies as well. I practically consider lobsters as junk in comparison, except if I'm trying to raise cooking levels for cheap (since they won't burn at 79 cooking with cooking gauntlets). They are incredibly easy to sell in Edgeville as well, up to 1k amounts at 400ea. Easier, much easier, than lobsters are in P2P worlds. In other words, you owe it to yourself to do the quest, you'll be richer, faster, for it from fishing. However, if you simply want levels, either do Shilo or Barbarian fishing, as either of those will be slightly faster leveling than monks. But you will not be making 400k per 1k of fish like with monks...

Sorry, you are right. Dunno why I was thinking about wearing a mask - probably because it's on 100% of the time otherwise. :)

Specifically: I go with proselyte body and legs, zammy book, slayer mask, and whip. I bring about 4 prayer pots (4) and some combat pots. Pray mage protect and whip away. By the time I've run through all the prayer pots, I have a full inventory of herbs. They drop ranarr very frequently, so for instance if I had about 5 prayer pots, I usually end up with 6-8 ranarr. So a slow but steady way to increase your prayer pots. Add in the profit from the lava battlestaffs and mystic drop, and its one of the better slayer tasks. But my prayer is 57, so it does last long enough. And my herblore is high enough to identify ranarr and make ppots - if yours isn't, that is a bit of a problem.

2 black masks, 3 snapdragon seeds, 80 teak logs, a few ranarr and some rune equipment (clues) during one cave horror task. Single highest? Clue lvl 2 during dagannaths - ranger boots. Sold em for 3 million asap before I attempted to keep them (and then lose them during a ranger camping session - its nearly the only time I die..). Another time at cave horrors I got 3 lvl 3 clues, came out with guthix rune plate. Last time? 2 lvl 3 clues. Sara dhide coif the first one. Sara dhide chaps and rune kite (t) the second one. For some reason, I keep hoping for those cave horror assignments...

While it was a bit of a joke in the politeness part, actually, there was a grain of truth in it. People claim there is less and less profit pking in the wilderness lately, and it's my opinion (only) that that is because less "noobs" are going into the wilderness because of the entire attitude situation they have to deal with there. Not the PKing itself, but the entire flamefest it has become while being pked there. I doubt the situation will change, but, IMHO again, these rude pkers are the ones that are making it less profitable for themselves. ;)

Those people that make their money from secondary incomes *are not* making money from pking, but from the secondary income. They are then taking the money to pk with, which in turn ends up funding the high-skill pkers at the top of the pyramid. Thus my assertion that PKing in and of itself is not profitable other than for those at the top of the PK chain. And for the people that provide the consumables necessary for the PK battles.