All_Is_Great

Isn't The seal of passage like 4k in weight? Anyways, I'd still think dueling ring to castle wars is the best idea if you don't intend to use the bank at the altar.

Are we just talking about weapons? Because my favourite special is the run restoring of the explorer's ring.

Roaches drop the most laws out of the monsters I've fought. Other choices might be dark wizards? Idk what other members monsters drop quality laws though.

Well, if you kill something that gives drops, you actually earn money. My suggestion is train to 60 range via cheap stuff like bronze knives/ arrows on yaks/ experiments. Then go to green drags with a rune cbow and mith/broad bolts.

Well, I thought verac's would be your best bet since your melees are above 80. Your range/mage are too low to use slayer dart/ void range effectively. Other melee methods include dharoking, which is also several mill. Or get void melee and a GS, which is 20m +. Your choice :

Get prayer up to 60 or 70 and use the verac's method.

No my logic is definately not like yours at all. I think you've been found out here. You have no real argument because you know you're feeding the false demand started by clans and making money from it. Is this really so hard to admit? Does your logic state 'I didnt commit the crime in the first place so dont blame me for making money from it'. If this is the case, I'm happy to be illogical. The next time you see a mugging victim, join in mugging him. When the cops get you just tell them 'hey it was the other guy started it. I just joined in'. At best they will charge you with accessory. Precisely what you are doing when you sell your goods when you know there are manipulated price rises. This is the risk that those clans take. Its their money so they can do what they want with it as far as I'm concerned. Why don't you take the profit that you made form your whip and give it to low lvl F2P players who may benefit from it. Should make you feel better about it, dont you think? Umm, I got found out? for what? for selling my whip? How am I feeding false demand by selling a SINGLE whip? Also, even if I didn't sell it, the price would STILL GO UP, because that's how the ge works. And I'm not going to join in mugging someone, and say "they started it, i just joined in". And by the way, people who sell a couple items did not "JOIN IN" (as you put it) on the price manipulation. They didn't manipulate anything. That is a quote from dictionary.com. It clearly says "manage and influence", but by selling a item or two, you aren't managing or influencing the price. However, it was the people who created the false demand who were influencing the GE price. Also note the "esp. in an unfair manner". Saying it's the people selling the items is at fault is false. I do actually hand out free stuff to the occasional f2p/ low level p2p player. Over the years, I've given out some helpful items such as cash (usually 5k - 10k), str ammys that I made, also power ammys too. And pure sets (green dhide chap + vamb) to those pures who just got 40 range. Hell, I even gave out my 2 rune scims and r2hs for free days before the trade limits. So don't accuse me of not helping others.

60 def is kinda :? A dragon hybrid? Wha...?

Those are good ideas, and I think Jagex should really consider moving some old members stuff to f2p. :thumbup: I played the game as both pure f2p, and members. I was f2p for almost 4 years, and I was happy with the stuff in the beginning. But then I realised a lot of members items were useless in p2p, but could be awesome in f2p.

Something new things for you to learn about things here, gentlemen. If price manipulation is a crime, then taking advantage of it is also a crime. Just because you didnt start the price manipulation, you contributed to it by feeding the false demand. You sold things that you knew/know are being manipulated so you are contributing to it. Quelmotz is particularly funny as he would take advantage of the crime in question, but as he didnt start it so thats ok -.- . You both admit to making some sort of profit from it. While claiming manipulating prices is bad, you both wanted to profit. You see nothing wrong with this? Its not ok to start it but its ok to profit from it? You cannot claim to be against something which you gleefully profit from when it suits you. Quelmotz, you say that Jagex are soon going to ban price manipulation. If they are then thats fine as it doesnt affect me but Id like to see some sort of evidence of this. Can you place a link in this post so I can see it. Now this being the case, if Jagex were to ban it and apply things fairly, then those knowingly taking advantage of price manipulation could also be implicated. A little food for thought for you both. :ohnoes: Your logic definately isn't the same as mine, so I'm going to stop telling you why I think price manipulation is wrong and why I don't think selling an item on the rise is price manipulation. But just throwing this out there, a lot of these so-called "merch clans" aren't even real, the leader will usually dump before the set price, so if you sell your items after it starts crashing, you might be losing money instead of gaining. Also, some are scams. :|

46 thieving. :lol: and after that it's 50 agility. Then 54 herb, 55 rc and 56 fletch. I imagine I can get 1700 total easily if i trained thieving and fletch but w/e :P

Awesome a G/S remake! Too bad I can't get it because I don't have a DS :( . If I already had a DS, I would definately get one (probably silver), but I don't want to spend an extra two hundred for a DS just to play it. And, I'm gonna dig out my old crystal version \ , never trained a single pokemon to lv 100 though, how sad is that! But I do have a lv 100 umbreon on colleseum :

i'm surprised 10+ mentioned emma watson...SHE LOOKS HIDEOUS! oh well. can't judge personal taste. Not to mention megan fox :lol: And megan fox is overrated.

I'd get 52 pray for smite. But 70 isn't really needed.

As long as the money was earned through legit ways, I will respect the people who buy their skill capes. Non-legit ways in my eyes include: 76king RWT price manipulating and to lesser extents: Some person had a phat and quit, came back and now worth hundreds of millions.

Herb runs + cactus is a must to maximize your profits. Do whatever you like between runs, such as RC, slayer, aviansies etc.

You're supposed do dig. #-o

Oh no, we don't want to argue AGAIN :P Let's have peace.

5 years and still less than 30m exp with a highest skill of 91 str. :lol: Yea, try and post a pic or people wont believe you :

1. Price manpulators 2. 76k'ing 3. The fact that combat is so much easier to make money with, i mean what happened to balance? 4. Combat "triangle" in f2p is very messed up. 5. secondary skills (herblore/cooking) not profitable. I'd like to elaborate on 3 a little. Before the GWD update, the best combat moneymaker was abby whips with 85 slayer, or maybe DKs. But 85 slayer is VERY hard to get so whips are a reasonable reward. But now, even an average player with 80s (which is not at ALL hard) can group together in 3s and 4s and take down bandos/ zamorak and get drops worth 25m. Same with corp beast, a group of 15- 20 still gets millions from a split. The best skill moneymaker is double nats at 91 rc, but thats even harder to get than 85 slayer.

Didn't want to lose so many friends that are going to high school. Girlfriend [now ex] was one higher grade than me, and she was going to high school too. I didn't her but I was VERY strongly attracted to her. But you're going to high school next year too right? So you will still see all your friends and have a great time! No big deal. I had to switch schools all the time when I was little, and I had to leave behind my friends every single time (moving from China to Us to Canada, then to China AGAIN, then to canada, where I plan to finally stay put and finish high school), it was quite hard because I was young. Now I find it hard to fit in with groups that have know each other since Gr 1. :lol:

I'm not a homophobe :? And I don't think crying has anything to do with being weak, I cry when I'm REALLY REALLY sad, but doesn't mean I'm weak. But if you cried when someone punched you...

I thought they were quite hasty on the last point too! I posted that on the 30+ page rant called "once a great game..." by eatrunearrow, then got barraged with insults :P O well, at least someone thinks the same as me :)

I do normally: Irits (for herblore) but I'm switching to kwuarms when i get my members back because I can clean them now. snap on my arm's patch Limps for herblore I leave my palm trees growing so i get 24k per run when i pick the coconuts I also pick cactus spines every herb run Poison ivy bushes every 2 herb runs willows sometimes. And calquats.

To answer your question, yes, I have sold my whip when they rose. I sold at 2.3 or something, and it rose all the way to 3m. But your saying by selling my whip, I manipulated the market? I don't think so. And I am not "quite happy to make profit while blaming a clan". You only think that because you think that by selling my item, I had manipulated the price. I didn't manipulate the price. One person selling the item isn't going to manipulate the price. Do you know what makes the price on the GE go up? When demand > supply. The clans are creating FALSE demand, that is WAY larger than any supply from people selling items 1 by 1. That is why the price goes UP. If I didn't sell my item, the price would still go UP. Do you understand that part? Oh and RS's economy is very much like a real one. The merchants you talk about must have hundreds of millions of gp to be able to manipulate a market by themselves. Most of the time, that isn't even enough, so they team up with other people with hundreds of millions and merch together. I would indeed consider this manipulation, but the merchants I'm talking about are people who flip around 20 rune sets perday, which doesn't manipulate the price one bit. My example of IRL "junk" trading isn't against the law. It is a way to advertise, like "buy one get one 1/2 off". Saying that makes the person want to buy another, while they may not even need another item, so in the end, they THINK they save 1/2 off, but instead they are paying an extra 1/2. However, that isn't against the law. While on the other hand, price manipulation IS. People get arrested. So you accusing me of being contradictory doesn't make any sense. And, no, it's not sour grapes on my part. I'm trying to debate a point, and since you keep brining up "you sell your item for profit too, so your part of manipulation" I have to argue that. The main problem of you arguements is that you don't know what causes price manipulation. You think individuals selling a couple items on the rise is considered manipulation, and you think merchants are manipulators :roll: .