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What did the English language do to deserve that? On topic: Time = Money, you could spend half the amount of money, but take 16 times longer. Its just not worth it. Honestly, I read his post perfectly fine. Instead, I'm having trouble with people who have to say something like you just did. This is the Internet, and people who chat on msn/fb slot will use shorthands a lot. OT: I knew the price of marrs had a big price tag! :

Jrhairy, you say you read, but sometimes, you still have problems interpreting my points. (I hope my english isn't THAT bad, or else I'll never graduate :? ) First of all, I'd like to address the differences between merch and a price manipulating clan. A merch is a single individual, who buys stuff at low, then sells at medium-high. AKA item flipping. Sometimes, this doesn't even change prices! Say for example, a while ago, I bought 2 zamorak shields at 23k below med price. Then 4 hours later, I sold both for med. The price didn't change once during this time. Even if the prices do change, its very little, and is not considered price manipulation. Price manipulation is when a clan creates false demand by putting in thousands of offers for a single item at max GE price. This causes the price to rise, which is a manipulation. If you can't understand the difference and think each person merching for themselves is price manipulating, then this debate can't go any further. One last time, by price manipulation, we mean the ORGANISED clans that have plans on when to buy and when to sell the item. Also, how hard is it to differ between a sideways "s" and a "J". I thought the examples I gave were pretty clear. A normal stock acts like a sideways "s" with little rises and falls each day (maybe with an overall gain/loss in a period of 3 months), but still relatively stable day by day. A "J" is when an item skyrockets in a very short period of time, and this doesn't happen with a normal economy. Can you tell me what your version of price manipulation is? Otherwise it is difficult to talk to you about the people who sell items on the rise. You're accusing these players of contributing to price manipulation, saying if they don't sell, there won't be manipulation. But we know that's not possible, as people will sell their stuff if they see it's price increase. Some people hold onto it longer than others for more profit, but that's beside the point. The "want" you use to accuse average players is quite weak. I have to admit that everyone wants profit, but these people are not the one INITIATING the price manipulation. They aren't even those 10m tag alongs in Chessy's or ACID's clan chat. They are simply people who own one or two pieces of equipment that are being merched. The clans INITIATING the price manipulation is the ones at fault, not the ones who simply sell a couple items for a little more than they bought it for. You follow? Finally, junk trading. It seems we differ on what we think is junk trading as well. so i'm going to give you my version again. Let's say Item A is worth 10m on the GE, but it's real value decided by players is at 25m. Then players are going to use 15m junk to even the trade. A junk trade happens when both people know it's market value and the junk isn't forced upon either player. The item itself isn't going to be sold/bought on the GE for 10m. However, there will be offers on the GE in hope for a lucky buy off of an unknowing customer, still, over time, the price on the GE will match the market price, and that's when people will start trading the item on the GE. So, junk trading is NOTHING like price manipulation. As for junk trading in the real world, the junk isn't usually forced either. The microwave example was poor, but here's a better one. Many shops in China use this to lure costumers (its not illegal, but it's still wrong so don't fall for it). The shop will say "if you spend 1000 on certain appliances in our store, you can get 300 credit!" But those 300 credit can only be spent on items that aren't useful. But if you spend, say, 900, then you'll very easily be lured to spending another 100 for the 300 credit, thinking you get 300 back, but in reality, its just 300 of useless crap. So in the end, you spend 100 extra. Don't use this as an arguement saying "in rl its wrong but in rs its right?" or crap like that, becaue junk trading in rl and rs and COMPLETELY different (one if not forced, and both parties agree; while the other can be called a scam), while price manipulation in both are the same.

All Is Great, everything is great, at least I hoped everything would be. I like my name :

And I too find big boobs a turnoff. They are so unnatural, I mean, I like a women with curves but big boobs :shame: . Anyways, I've added two more to make my 5. [hide=Jordana Brewster][/hide] [hide=Emmanuelle Chriqui][/hide] [hide=India de Beaufort][/hide] [hide=Kirsten Dunst][/hide] [hide=Courtney Cox][/hide] EDIT: hiding hide tags is messed up.

Attack + Str to as high as you can. Though I'd do str first. Range too if you want some hp exp. Do no arms, keep def at 70. Maybe pray to 52 if you have future plans for p2p.

YEEEEEEEEEESSSSS. Fact is, if they don't say anything afterwards, I would turn off my pray in a couple secs. Except they just have to swoop that low :wall:

Just for a list of dailies and weeklies: dailies: Bork Vine Battlestaves/bert/seaweed buying from npc whose name I forgot <- best money maker Shooting stars (I think a limit per day?) Evil Tree - two per day phoenix lair Kingdom - keeping approval at 100% Weeklies: Juna Circus Penguins Skeletal horror The ring is NOT a daily; that's called a cooldown. Saying that the lumbridge ring is a daily is like saying the home teleport is a half-hourly :lol: . Seaweed from Arhein on catherby. He is my favourite NPC in all of RuneScape.

[hide=5 separate points] So you're honestly saying you've never sold anything where the price has been manipulated? You've never profited from it? Would you, if you had that item? I don't think anyone on this thread can't say they honestly wouldn't. Your part 'That people will sell items when they rise? Of course they will, but they aren't manipulating the prices' smacks of double standards. These people are also profiting from it. So it is a G.E fault then. Yes they do. If they buy/sell in bulk then of course they affect prices. If it wasn't price manipulators, you'd be posting here about merch's affecting the prices instead. So what you're saying is that price manipulation is wrong, but forcing players to buy junk to enhance a price is right? Even though both would be illegal in rl, which was the point you were making. Correct? So manipulation is unnacceptable but junk trading is right? Is this not a case of you having double standards? Not sure what film this is, but it sounds similar to the film 'Trading Places' with Eddie Murphy and Dan Akroyd. So technically its a fault with the G.E. and with players themselves. So shouldn't this be a post about the G.E. needing to be fixed? Players will always do what they can get away with. [/hide] 1. Can you tell me how your edition of price manipulation works? Here's mine, clan x decides to buy out guthan platebodies. They put in hordes of offers on max. When they buy all of the current g platebodies on the market, the rest of the demand will force the price up. This will catch the attention or your average player, and they will in turn sell their platebodies. Then the stock runs out again, until more people sell. This continues in a cycle until the clan decides to dump. This is when the item crashes, but many people will have offers on the GE for G platebodies and they will buy theirs. The price drop is because supply > demand, but eventually, the clan sells all of their items and the item stablelizes again. I have sold stuff when they were beginning their rise, but that doesnt mean I manipulated the market. The CLAN that decided to mass buy the item manipulated the market, people who sell their items due to price rise didn't. They cant really be called victims, but its more like following a trend. 2. No, it's Jagex's fault, because they created the GE. How can the GE be faulted? It isn't alive, its being controlled by Jagex. It's like saying "its not our fault that the earth is warming every year, its the CO2's fault for clogging up our atmosphere". But in reality, its our human's fault, because we produce WAY too much CO2 every year. I know it's probably not the best example, but it made sense to me, hopefully to you as well. 3. You fail at reading -.- . I said merchants affect prices in a sideways "s" shape. Which is absolutely normal. A sideways "s" is what a normal stock would look like too. Price manipulators on the other hand, causes a very sharp rise to the item, like a "J". You see? It almost goes up vertically. And what's this about me posting here about merch's affecting the price? That has nothing to do with this thread. But for the record, I don't care about a merch affecting the price, because it is very small, like I said, a sideways "s". 4. Junk trading and price manipulation is totally different. Junk trading is because the GE price DOESN"T MATCH the market value, while price manipulating is making the price of a fairly stable item rise steeply due to false demand. Junk trading doesn't have anything to do with price manipulation. And I can't think of any ideas for junk trading. The only "junk trading" in rl is when a shop sells A + B for lets say $230 dollars. With item A being a commonly used thing like a microwave. But the shop is trying to get rid of item B, say a unicycle? (I don't know many shops that sell microwaves AND unicycles but w/e). So they put them together in a deal. Much like the Buy one get one 1/2 off thing. 5. Yes it is a fault with the GE, but we're debating whether or not taking advantage of this fault is right or wrong. It's not about fixing the GE (although that would be very nice). I said "its a problem with the GE, which makes price manipulation possible" in response to your statement about players paniccing. If you read my entire answer to question 5, i'm sure you'd understand, instead of just reading the last sentence and mistaking my point. My point is price manipulation is wrong.

Just because you don't know how to post a right answer in Help & Advice. Now get the [bleep] out. Members isn't that fun, had a friends account which he paid for and played as well. I got bored of it after getting 70+ stats and quest cape. Rank #1 will never come sadly :( Lol at bolded. But awesome acc, i think it deserves more than 4/10 w/o counting additional points for "intentionally handicapping yourself", I give 8/10 : I only got to 1k total on f2p before I got members :P

i have 13 in my bank atm, those are old pics like i said. i had spirit mages perm cancelled cuz i was scared of gwd ;p but i un cancelled them, and have gotten over 10 dboot drops already and i have 3 whips in my bank, from slaying Are you going to alch them?

I got nothing in 100+ runs #-o But 7/10, nice 12m.

I suppose you meant 70atk/90str, so a few tips: Do no arms. Have ultimate str on at all times. Turn on 15% atk (forgot the name) when you are getting consecutive hits, then pull out r2h for a chance to KO. And activate steel skin when you are getting hit alot. Not much more than that.

Granite? nah, everybody has granite and it looks noobish :P Good old rune will do just fine. As for weapon, get 60atk ASAP, and do monkey madness, because i see you already did lost city. Range is a decent alternative to training slayer at lower levels, and it is very useful at higher levels. But magic isn't all that useful for slaying, I recommend you get 55 so you can high alch good drops from slayer monsters. :thumbup:

Haha I understand, much like the inconvenience that was running and retracing your steps then running forward again #-o . I say my character knows how to finish monkey madness but not how to run?

I remember WANTING to have a rock golem appear so that I can kill it and have a chance at a rune picaxe drop, same with tree spirits and their nat drops \

lol wut?? :!: :idea: Maybe, just maybe, they rounded your combat level wrong, and fixed it. Try the tipit calc and see what that does. :

And even more (or maybe of equal importance), some parents dont buy their kids membership.

1) What? overlooked what point? That people will sell items when they rise? Of course they will, but they aren't manipulating the prices, the people buying it are. But if you say "if you don't sell, then they won't buy" but this will be going around in circles, because I'd say "if they don't drive the prices up, I won't sell". It's pointless. Plus, they merch commonly traded items that aren't easily supplied, barrows armour comes to mind (last time I joined chessy's chat to see what they were merching was ahrimtop1700k and torag helm 1500k), so people don't realise that prices are starting to climb after the mass buyout in the beginning. And those clans are the ones who initiate it, so the fault is theirs. My english isn't the most persuasive as it's not my first language but I hope I made my point clear. 2) Ok, that we can really argue with, because it is a fact. But what we're trying to do is make Jagex FIX it, unfourtunately, they never hurry except on stuff that isn't broken :| 3) Merchants don't affect prices, even if they do, its more like a sideways "s" shape, which is what normal markets do, so its fine. But the price manipulators make it a "J" shape, which is totally different, and wrong. 4) Junk trading isn't price manipulation, you understand that right? There's a (somewhat) stable market price for high end items, and most players accept that price. Only because the GE price isn't up that high, that's why they junk trade. 5) Yea, that's why we're debating whether taking advantage of the GE flaw is right or wrong. Also, paniccing when prices crash is pretty normal, I doubt the average player can bare to watch their items drop by the millions and not do a thing. What if the prices never rise back up? OK sure the more you sell for min, the faster it falls, but that's also a problem with the GE, which makes price manipulation possible. Anyways, I have another example of price manipulation very similar to the GE system, I just CAN"T remember the name of the movie :x (I saw it on an AirCanada flight) So it starts with this man (I believe his name is Maxwell, but I honesly cannot remember), and he works at Wall ST. He's leading a group of people on the market, and he's telling them "Buy, Buy, BUy", this drives the prices up. At the same time, another company watching the same stock begins to realize the rise, so they too start buying, but they can't catch up with the prices so they fall behind. Then suddenly, after achieving a set price, Maxwell snaps his fingers and says "Sell." One word, and the prices plummet, the other company bought the falling stock and realized they've just been scammed. That's just the beginning though, there's more story later on. Now, if someone could please tell me the name of the movie :pray: Oh, here's what happens after: He goes to the country, where his father? owns a vineyard. He meets a girl, a girl who knew him when they were little, but grew apart, and he falls for her. In the end, he decides not to go back to the city and continues his life peacefully on the yard.

Then there's not going to endgame content for a long time. But I still hope they update some left out skills before updating combat (slayer) again.

Huh, they ban clans fixing minigames but not the ones fixing the economy? I'd say the price manipulating clans are more of a problem then a clan who wants points for all their members.

For people asking for MORE combat related updates, wtf?? Another slayer monster = another rare drop = more unbalance in terms of skill/combat moneymaking. The ONLY skill that has a chance at making money as fast as combat is 91 RC, but compare that to the amount of people who can do GWD, and you say we need ANOTHER update to make it easier to make money based on luck? More combat related updates is going to tip the scale even more. And I very much agree on the fact that slayer has more stuff to do than other skills.

College (uni) gives you a lot of free time as a freshman. [/hide] I get confused with the American System. Here in the uk, you finish secondary school (high school) at 16, then can either end school, or go to college for two years(or 6th form). then after those two years go to university. 6th form and secondary school were so much fun looking back on them. At the time it felt so grinding and boring, but oh by god i wish i could have that much of an easy life nowdays. 6th form esepcailly, doing only three subjects, i had so many free periods, life was a breeze. The best part though was that it was free. Uni is so complicated, the fees alone are taking months to sort out, i had less complications in around 14 years of schooling than i have in the 4-6 months of trying to sort out fees for university. For the American System, you graduate high school (usually you're 18) and then you go to college. High school consists of grades 9 through 12 (freshman, sophomore, junior, senior), and you usually sort out your college applications the summer before and going into senior year. To me, the UK system seems confusing, lol. #-o :thumbup: UK is indeed confusing. I live in canada, going into GR 11. There was a girl last year who moved here from the US, but she already was in GR 10, but she took it again? I have no idea why, it's so messed up. In Canada its: gr 1 - 6, elementary 7-9 junior high 10-12 senior high :?

^ :lol: lol.

About this pre-paid credit card... is it available say in Alberta (canada)? Because I paid for my membership through mail, but this last time, I still haven't received the notification and I sent $20 USD a month ago :(

You won't start gaining combat levels until your 95 mage if you dont train melee. If magic > (Atk + Str) *1.5, then you will be magic based, and your combat will rise with magic levels. (72+70)/1.5 = 94 and 2/3. So you have nothing to worry about ;)