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  1. I'm not feeling very creative right now. I guess you all have to suffer through my writers block. Mussolini wins 21-10. Fight #8 - Miley Cyrus vs. Taylor Swift. Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miley_Cyrus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_swift POI: http://www.miley-cyrus.com/stats.php http://omg.yahoo.com/news/fun-facts-about-taylor-swift/55862
  2. Anyone know the difference between the two? Also, if I wanted to make an exact copy of a file, would File.getTotalSpace() necessarily have to be the same between the copies, especially between different operating systems?
  3. I'm feeling like a browns fan... Indy is looking forward to the draft.
  4. How about you write your own software and use that instead? Things cost money for a reason.
  5. "Suggesting that women have abortions for 'convenience' diminishes the hard work of women and is beyond insulting." Are you arguing that being pregnant isn't inconvenient? Are you arguing that being pregnant is easy? Are you arguing that women that terminate their pregnancies are doing it because it's more difficult than being pregnant, or having a child? Woman have abortions because it is decidedly more convenient than birthing a child. If carrying a child to term for 9 months was a cake walk, there would be no need for abortion. You, and whoever you're quoting have completely missed the point. "Living my dream is my right." And it's all about me me me. Abortion is a selfish decision. "especially when I am doing everything possible to prevent pregnancy" You know, like not having sex or something...
  6. Boo-hoo, people will actually be able to profit from their intellectual property. I, for one, like getting paid for developing my ideas.
  7. I'm not sure how seeing different buildings and trees is supposed to inspire awe. Maybe the thing that inspires awe is the vastness of the game map, but that to me is only a nuisance.
  8. Certainly, but one justifies a pro-abortion stance by placing a higher value on present human life the convenience of a woman over the life of her child.
  9. Its sad to see anyone die young, especially from cancer. While not a fan of Apple products, their company Steve Job's story is incredible.
  10. My hair follicle won't grow into another of me if left alone... [spoiler=The rest of that article, fully articulates all these arguments.]3. Is it a person? No. It's merely a potential person. Webster's Dictionary lists a person as "being an individual or existing as an indivisible whole; existing as a distinct entity." Anti-abortionists claim that each new fertilized zygote is already a new person because its DNA is uniquely different than anyone else's. In other words, if you're human, you must be a person. Of course we've already seen that a simple hair follicle is just as human as a single-cell zygote, and, that unique DNA doesn't make the difference since two twins are not one person. It's quite obvious, then, that something else must occur to make one human being different from another. There must be something else that happens to change a DNA-patterned body into a distinct person. (Or in the case of twins, two identically DNA-patterned bodies into two distinct persons.) There is, and most people inherently know it, but they have trouble verbalizing it for one very specific reason. The defining mark between something that is human and someone who is a person is 'consciousness.' It is the self-aware quality of consciousness that makes us uniquely different from others. This self-awareness, this sentient consciousness is also what separates us from every other animal life form on the planet. We think about ourselves. We use language to describe ourselves. We are aware of ourselves as a part of the greater whole. The problem is that consciousness normally doesn't occur until months, even years, after a baby is born. This creates a moral dilemma for the defender of abortion rights. Indeed, they inherently know what makes a human into a person, but they are also aware such individual personhood doesn't occur until well after birth. To use personhood as an argument for abortion rights, therefore, also leads to the argument that it should be okay to kill a 3-month-old baby since it hasn't obtained consciousness either. Anti-abortionists use this perceived problem in an attempt to prove their point. In a debate, a Pro Choice defender will rightly state that the difference between a fetus and a full-term human being is that the fetus isn't a person. The anti-abortion activist, being quite sly, will reply by asking his opponent to define what makes someone into a person. Suddenly the Pro Choice defender is at a loss for words to describe what he or she knows innately. We know it because we lived it. We know we have no memory of self-awareness before our first birthday, or even before our second. But we also quickly become aware of the "problem" we create if we say a human doesn't become a person until well after its birth. And we end up saying nothing. The anti-abortionist then takes this inability to verbalize the nature of personhood as proof of their claim that a human is a person at conception. But they are wrong. Their "logic" is greatly flawed. Just because someone is afraid to speak the truth doesn't make it any less true. And in reality, the Pro Choice defender's fear is unfounded. They are right, and they can state it without hesitation. A human indeed does not become a full person until consciousness. And consciousness doesn't occur until well after the birth of the child. But that does not automatically lend credence to the anti-abortionist's argument that it should, therefore, be acceptable to kill a three-month-old baby because it is not yet a person. It is still a potential person. And after birth it is an independent potential person whose existence no longer poses a threat to the physical wellbeing of another. To understand this better, we need to look at the next question. 4. Is it physically independent? No. It is absolutely dependent on another human being for its continued existence. Without the mother's life-giving nutrients and oxygen it would die. Throughout gestation the zygote-embryo-fetus and the mother's body are symbiotically linked, existing in the same physical space and sharing the same risks. What the mother does affects the fetus. And when things go wrong with the fetus, it affects the mother. Anti-abortionists claim fetal dependence cannot be used as an issue in the abortion debate. They make the point that even after birth, and for years to come, a child is still dependent on its mother, its father, and those around it. And since no one would claim its okay to kill a child because of its dependency on others, we can't, if we follow their logic, claim it's okay to abort a fetus because of its dependence. What the anti-abortionist fails to do, however, is differentiate between physical dependence and social dependence. Physical dependence does not refer to meeting the physical needs of the child - such as in the anti-abortionist's argument above. That's social dependence; that's where the child depends on society - on other people - to feed it, clothe it, and love it. Physical dependence occurs when one life form depends solely on the physical body of another life form for its existence. Physical dependence was cleverly illustrated back in 1971 by philosopher Judith Jarvis Thompson. She created a scenario in which a woman is kidnapped and wakes up to find she's been surgically attached to a world-famous violinist who, for nine months, needs her body to survive. After those nine months, the violinist can survive just fine on his own, but he must have this particular woman in order to survive until then. Thompson then asks if the woman is morally obliged to stay connected to the violinist who is living off her body. It might be a very good thing if she did - the world could have the beauty that would come from such a violinist - but is she morally obliged to let another being use her body to survive? This very situation is already conceded by anti-abortionists. They claim RU-486 should be illegal for a mother to take because it causes her uterus to flush its nutrient-rich lining, thus removing a zygote from its necessary support system and, therefore, ending its short existence as a life form. Thus the anti-abortionist's own rhetoric only proves the point of absolute physical dependence. This question becomes even more profound when we consider a scenario where it's not an existing person who is living off the woman's body, but simply a potential person, or better yet, a single-cell zygote with human DNA that is no different than the DNA in a simple hair follicle. To complicate it even further, we need to realize that physical dependence also means a physical threat to the life of the mother. The World Health Organization reports that nearly 670,000 women die from pregnancy-related complications each year (this number does not include abortions). That's 1,800 women per day. We also read that in developed countries, such as the United States and Canada, a woman is 13 times more likely to die bringing a pregnancy to term than by having an abortion. Therefore, not only is pregnancy the prospect of having a potential person physically dependent on the body of one particular women, it also includes the women putting herself into a life-threatening situation for that potential person. Unlike social dependence, where the mother can choose to put her child up for adoption or make it a ward of the state or hire someone else to take care of it, during pregnancy the fetus is absolutely physically dependent on the body of one woman. Unlike social dependence, where a woman's physical life is not threatened by the existence of another person, during pregnancy, a woman places herself in the path of bodily harm for the benefit of a DNA life form that is only a potential person - even exposing herself to the threat of death. This brings us to the next question: do the rights of a potential person supercede the rights of the mother to control her body and protect herself from potential life-threatening danger? 5. Does it have human rights? Yes and No. A potential person must always be given full human rights unless its existence interferes with the rights of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness of an already existing conscious human being. Thus, a gestating fetus has no rights before birth and full rights after birth. If a fetus comes to term and is born, it is because the mother chooses to forgo her own rights and her own bodily security in order to allow that future person to gestate inside her body. If the mother chooses to exercise control over her own body and to protect herself from the potential dangers of childbearing, then she has the full right to terminate the pregnancy. Anti-abortion activists are fond of saying "The only difference between a fetus and a baby is a trip down the birth canal." This flippant phrase may make for catchy rhetoric, but it doesn't belie the fact that indeed "location" makes all the difference in the world. It's actually quite simple. You cannot have two entities with equal rights occupying one body. One will automatically have veto power over the other - and thus they don't have equal rights. In the case of a pregnant woman, giving a "right to life" to the potential person in the womb automatically cancels out the mother's right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. After birth, on the other hand, the potential person no longer occupies the same body as the mother, and thus, giving it full human rights causes no interference with another's right to control her body. Therefore, even though a full-term human baby may still not be a person, after birth it enjoys the full support of the law in protecting its rights. After birth its independence begs that it be protected as if it were equal to a fully-conscience human being. But before birth its lack of personhood and its threat to the women in which it resides makes abortion a completely logical and moral choice. Which brings us to our last question, which is the real crux of the issue.... 6. Is abortion murder? No. Absolutely not. It's not murder if it's not an independent person. One might argue, then, that it's not murder to end the life of any child before she reaches consciousness, but we don't know how long after birth personhood arrives for each new child, so it's completely logical to use their independence as the dividing line for when full rights are given to a new human being. Using independence also solves the problem of dealing with premature babies. Although a preemie is obviously still only a potential person, by virtue of its independence from the mother, we give it the full rights of a conscious person. This saves us from setting some other arbitrary date of when we consider a new human being a full person. Older cultures used to set it at two years of age, or even older. Modern religious cultures want to set it at conception, which is simply wishful thinking on their part. As we've clearly demonstrated, a single-cell zygote is no more a person that a human hair follicle. But that doesn't stop religious fanatics from dumping their judgements and their anger on top of women who choose to exercise the right to control their bodies. It's the ultimate irony that people who claim to represent a loving God resort to scare tactics and fear to support their mistaken beliefs. It's even worse when you consider that most women who have an abortion have just made the most difficult decision of their life. No one thinks abortion is a wonderful thing. No one tries to get pregnant just so they can terminate it. Even though it's not murder, it still eliminates a potential person, a potential daughter, a potential son. It's hard enough as it is. Women certainly don't need others telling them it's a murder. It's not. On the contrary, abortion is an absolutely moral choice for any woman wishing to control her body. I get it. But you haven't shown to us why consciousness is the only characteristic we should care about when determining if something is a person or not, and repeatedly posting the arguments of someone else is a poor way to debate. Why does being unconscious make you less of a person? If you get black out drunk, does that mean you lose your right to live? Being physically attached to someone else doesn't make you any less of an individual. Conjoined twins, for instance, are two people physically attached. We still look at them and view them as two individual human beings. Also, fertilization occurs before the egg implants and cell division is well under way, so the argument that an unborn baby isn't an individual because it isn't separate from another being is just plain wrong.
  11. My hair follicle won't grow into another of me if left alone...
  12. A person, by definition, is a human being. Once a being is characterized as human (scientifically speaking and under normal circumstances, when a human sperm cell fertilizes a human egg cell), it deserves all the respect and all the rights that every person should have. No, you're trying to rationalize the killing of hundreds of millions of human beings. When you come up with your precise definition of the instant someone gains human rights, let me know so I can question what is different about them the second before. A person has sex and becomes infected with HIV. Does this mean that until they've tested positive that they can't spread their disease? Of course not. Even though they might have no outward symptoms of being sick, not knowing doesn't make them any less infected..
  13. I think that means an automatic forfeit. Unless you've won the tour de france 7 consecutive times...
  14. I'm not debating in a "philosophical" sense because the characteristics that make something human are very real. Furthermore, seeing as in the philosophical sense there hasn't been a universal definition established there's no point trying to argue anything else, but in a scientific sense there is a very real definition that's perfectly reasonable. What you're trying to do is change common language to divorce two words that have the same inherent meaning and connotation so you can legally create a subclass of human beings that aren't quite "persons," and therefore marginalize their rights while telling half truths to others to convince them that what they're doing isn't wrong. A clear example of this happened in the 1960's... The definition of pregnancy was changed. In common terms, pregnancy meant (and still means) being "with child." The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists changed the definition of the start of pregnancy from the moment of conception (when truly a unique individual is formed inside the woman), to implantation. This allowed them to avoid having to label the pill as an abortifacient, because technically it didn't terminate a pregnancy (they changed the very definition), it only just prevented implantation.
  15. I'm reading it as two different definitions. A person is a human being. A person is an entity that has certain capacities or attributes associated with personhood. If you look "person" up in a proper dictionary and not an encyclopedia, you'll find something similar to In this sense something doesn't have to fulfill all 7 definitions to be a person, rather just 1.
  16. OR means fulfilling any one condition satisfies the definition. AND means fulfilling all conditions satisfies the definition. The conjunction linking the parts of the definition is "or" not "and", so both conditions don't have to be satisfied for the definition to be fulfilled.
  17. Last one to post wins. Last one to post wins. Last one to post wins. Last one to post wins. Last one to post wins.
  18. Right from square one the definition says "A person is a human being". An unborn child is human, and is alive (a being). The second part "or an entity" doesn't exclude human beings (unborn children) from being persons, it just includes other things. Even if you were to completely ignore the first statement defining a person, the second part isn't an exhaustive list of capacities or attributes. The key words that you missed were "can include" and "among others". Also calling something "debatable" is a far cry from calling it "proven," as you did in an earlier post.
  19. Your "proof" is a poorly thought out post trying to explain why a single property of humanity defines person-hood. The thing that's even more troubling is how your "proof" is trying to make a distinction between the words "Human" and "Person", when really they're just different parts of speech. The word "person" appears in all legal documents because it is a noun, and has always been a noun. The word "human" is an adjective, and until recently hasn't been a noun. In formal English it would not be grammatically correct to say, "All humans born or naturalized" ... the proper way to say this is "All persons" or "All human beings." Also saying "human person" in plain speech is redundant.
  20. I feel like the picks for Celebrity Deathmatch were completely in bad taste...

  21. Fight #6 Aftermath: These two presidents met at the ring, and agreed to an honorable boxing match. Some may argue that Lincoln had a slight edge with about an inch longer reach, but Washington was no slouch with a slightly stockier build. After 9 rounds of boxing, it was clear that neither president was willing to give in. After the 10th round, the match was declared a draw, as no one wanted to subject either president to death. Winner: Neither, 10-10 Fight #7: Benito Mussolini versus Adolf Hitler Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler As recommended via PM, we have Benito Mussolini versus Adolf Hitler. Mussolini was the 40th Prime Minister of Italy, later changing his title to Head of Government, Duce of Fascism, and Founder of the Empire. Hitler became Chancellor of Germany in 1933. POI:
  22. I'll update this later today then. :shades:
  23. I think it's ironic that the companies these people are protesting are the same companies that donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to Obama's 2008 election. While in general I'm against crony capitalism, I do not support the vision these groups have for America.
  24. ...And I'm saying what would you do if you didn't have the funds to raise a child with no arms and one leg. Would you lie, say that you would've aborted, if you knew that you would win the lawsuit and get millions? If they didn't mean it, that's a horrible thing to lie about. If I found myself in a situation where I had a child I couldn't afford, I'd put them up for adoption and hope they'd know I loved them enough to give them a chance at a better life.
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