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The short of it - Embryonic stem cells come from embryos. Usually at that stage, the baby is referred to as a "blastocyst" and resembles a ball of cells. This is about 4-5 days after fertilization, when normally the baby would be moving down the fallopian tubes into the uterus. To "harvest" cells, a scientist will "scrape" the insides of the blastocyst, or flatten it onto a petri dish. Another technique is called budding - when the baby is only about 8 cells, the scientist will separate one of those cells and use that to grow stem cells. Getting into semantics, this process is still considered morally unacceptable since if budding happened in nature, identical twins would have formed. Also, in the research done to come up with this process, all of the hosts the cell came from were neglected and died. The biggest source of embryos comes from the unused frozen leftovers of IVF. Usually this is between 6-100 embryos, usually less. In order to have a theoretically feasible treatment using embryonic stem cells, about 8 million embryos are needed. Considering woman have fewer egg cells, embryonic stem cell treatment is not feasible. I know I said otherwise earlier, but another source scientists would like to exploit for embryonic stem cells come from aborted female fetuses. The idea is to use all the egg cells in their ovaries for embryos, and it would "solve" the problem of the number of embryos needed.

I have a member account, and a f2p account. If I can't show off my F2P stats, I will quit runescape and it'll save me $6/month. There are enough substitutes out there now that I won't miss this.

Change "fire r&d" to "stop free game" and it might make more sense. No, it still contradicts the bot busting software. The free game was a shit heap long before bots started rising in P2P. I think it pissed enough members off that Jagex had to do something or there would've only been bots left. Jagex broke the bots in P2P, F2P was just along for the ride.

Change "fire r&d" to "stop free game" and it might make more sense.

How did a browser based game with shitty graphics become so popular? If Jagex's original business model for RuneScape sucked so bad, why are game developers everywhere starting to emulate it? Free players give runescape two things - word of mouth, and an ease into a game that doesn't look very fun. If Jagex cuts out the free segment of runescape, then certainly they'll save money short term, but long term their game won't survive.

You trolling or curious?

Posting this here too: Replace "fire r&d department" with "kill f2p game"

Is anyone surprised by the results?

I have to scrap the entire poll to remove previous votes.

I'm limited to 3.

@Mods, Yes, I know there are other topics discussing this, but I wanted a poll. I considered just putting yes for each answer, given the way the wilderness / free trade shamocracy was conducted.

So there's a higher percentage of free players on the foreign language servers? I wonder why. It's a percentage of capacity. 8.6k / 64k versus 2.4k / 8k

Unless the French worlds have 4000 people logged in at once, I don't see how it matters. The fact that they're running at about a quarter of their capacity after shutting servers down is troubling. Of course it matters. If he wants to make a statistic he should do it properly. And there are 3 other languages, not only french btw... And since the bot overrun it should be clear there aren't many legit f2p players left. Who would continue playing a game if he already gets spammed in the first 5 minutes? Yeah, not many. There weren't many new players that's why Jagex had to stop it or they would've run out of business quite soon. Right now there are 406 free players on one French server, 1900 free players on two Portuguese servers, and 93 players on a German server. Still about the same ratio at 30%

Unless the French worlds have 4000 people logged in at once, I don't see how it matters. The fact that they're running at about a quarter of their capacity after shutting servers down is troubling.

I think this just goes to show that 80% of the people botting were F2P. The bot infestation really was an open sore on the "most popular free mmorpg". Unfortunately not all the people playing in F2P are all players, advert bots have started to creep back into the game. Whatever, if JaGEx doesn't realize that its free to play business model is why they were so successful, we'll all have to find a new game.

I have faith in the ACLU and the Supreme Court. They're both [wagon], but at least they're consistent [wagon].

The solution for inactive players is to let them be. People will pass them up and feel good about themselves.

You know the reason there are so few free players right now is because of bots... No one wanted to put up competing with 600 bots on every world for resources, and now that they're gone all that's left is the fans. About a fifth of the people logged in are F2P now, I expect it to be an eighth pretty soon.

Jagex just alienated their most loyal fanbase. Seriously, for every legit free player there were 16 bots. Who else would put up with that?

Flower game anyone?

That shit sucks ass.

The study is bunk.

The issue isn't abortion, it's respect for human life. Abortion is related to stem-cell research about as much as pest control is related to scientific experiments on lab rats (The issue is animal rights or respect for animals). Someone from PETA would argue that both are morally unacceptable, but that doesn't mean you have to bring up both to discuss one. Also, adding comments about abortion does nothing to further understanding about what is being debated (embryonic stem cell research) and why its being debated, and adds to the confusion about what is going on and why people take issue with it.