magzar

no one ever said guthix was the god of peace he has no allegiance and desires balance so if one side became too powerful he would join with the other to restore balance Although someone has probably already mentioned this, no, he would destroy gielinor (however its spelled) as predicted by the guys from the quest darkness of hallowvale read the god letters then post about guthix it says in there that guthix will take sides with the weaker force if one ever becomes too powerful Zamorak also said Guthix destroys things when he's in a bad mood. you really can't believe anything Zamorak says as is clearly apparent same with Saradomin tbh

no one ever said guthix was the god of peace he has no allegiance and desires balance so if one side became too powerful he would join with the other to restore balance Although someone has probably already mentioned this, no, he would destroy gielinor (however its spelled) as predicted by the guys from the quest darkness of hallowvale read the god letters then post about guthix it says in there that guthix will take sides with the weaker force if one ever becomes too powerful

Because the godswords are artifacts from the god wars, wars in which Guthix did not actively fight. He was asleep during these wars, and stopped them with his own power when he woke up. yet that doesn't mean followers of guthix never had a powerful weapon

here you go warrior no idea what it is

ehh how about using items like fish for junk trades instead? it's something you spend time getting the same way you would unstrung bows or other junk items and actually has a real world use. I see this as being far preferable to junk that no one can use. In the end it comes down to the fact that the you're not increasing profits by selling your junk, you're just selling your junk. So overall it isn't a way to get money for your rares, it's a scam to get rid of your junk.

that wouldn't work if merchers make 100000 bots put in max price offers at the same time and this updates the G.E. then prices would skyrocket to the obscene, we would be seeing rare items cost billions I do like the auto sell, but that's basically just how selling to general stores work, if general stores bought items at a flat rate(which IMO they should)

The system is not broken. It is stalled because no one uses it, thereby making it appear to be broken. Price can not fluctuate by incomplete offers. It doesn't do that in the real world, and it would make it extremely easy to manipulate prices in Runescape.(welcome back yew bots putting in offers that won't be completed to shift the prices) The only solution to the problem is a joint effort to get people to stop using junk and to start using the G.E. My biggest reasoning behind this is still the fact that, though junk is being used as a halfass secondary form of currency, the fact that it has no value outside of junk trading lends to the fact that it is indeed worthless. Due to this you are still selling your rare items for the exact same prices you would on the G.E. It's a shoddy economic practice and in reality you do not lose money by using the G.E. you simply factor out the junk aspect. Keep your useless junk and sell it to general stores, or even the specialty stores around runescape which give you a better price for these items than general stores themselves do. With junk gone players would be forced to realize that though through junk trading they are granting themselves the illusion of gaining higher prices for the items they sell, they are not increasing their net worth. A rare worth 15m sold with 85m worth of junk is not getting you 100m for the rare, you're simply selling the rare for its 15m market price and also swapping out your 85m in junk for coins, quite possibly the coins you already spent to get that 85m in junk in the first place. I can not possibly be clearer than this: JUNK TRADING DOES NOT MAKE A RARE ITEM SELL FOR MORE!!! The best thing to do it to liquidate your junk for as much as you can and begin trading rares at their market price which is already being done anyway. The only difference whatsoever is the removal of all that junk. (what did players do with their junk before the trade limits/G.E.? They liquidated it to the best of their abilities) Even though Jagex may not have set prices to the liking of players junk trading isn't getting around anything, it's just annoying. On top of this removing junk would allow everyone to use fairly uniform price statistics if they choose to merchant, the exact way they do with less expensive items. You watch the fluctuations of prices and buy or sell when you think you have the highest potential for profit. EDIT: before anyone says something about players setting their own prices and that a 5% change either way isn't enough, take an item worth 100m g.e. value, 5% of 100m is still 5m. If you manage to buy for minimum, and sell for maximum that's a 10m profit. 10% profit isn't bad in any light. In addition to this buy buying and selling through the g.e. prices would fluctuate enough so that the potential for actual gain becomes much much higher than it could ever be for trading higher amounts of junk. Removing junk trading is really a win win situation for everyone involved when looked at from a logical and economically sound standpoint.

Actually, thats exactly what you said. If you give his current followers powerful weapons, obviously it is going to attract more members, whether or not he wants them. -- Once again, he is sleeping because there is balance. If there is not balance, he wakes up, and makes sure there is. You say that he should give mortals powerful weapons to keep the balance, so he doesn't have to wake up. He doesn't need followers, and obviously doesn't want to lend them his power. -- What a terrible comparison. These are fictional characters in an rpg. Not a real life emergency situation. Beyond that, it doesn't even make sense. The army does not have god powers. The police are not designed to keep apart magical forces. Your analogy fails. -- Her name, I believe, is Fiara. She is a shapeshifter who was given immortality to protect the power in the FOG arena, which is residue of the Stone of Jas, because saradomin followers were trying to harvest it (hence the saradomin symbols on the pillars lining the arena). She was imbued BEFORE Guthix went to sleep, ages ago, to protect the balance. She is a living thing, not an item to be weilded. no, moocky i didn't say it was to attract followers. Guthix being a god automatically attracts followers and though he doesn not seek them, neither does he reject them. He values those who value balance and holds an affinity for those who strive to keep it Yes he is sleeping because there is balance, but that doesn't mean he wants to have to wake up every time some cocky jerk decides to raise an army and try to invade. And you defeat the argument that he doesn't want to lend his power by stating that Juna and Fiara were imbued with it. Obviously he sees the use in giving powers to others in order to help protect the balance. You really need to learn how analogies work, but let me lay it out for you. Police = followers of Guthix Police uphold the law Followers of Guthix uphold the edicts The army = Guthix Much better armed and far more powerful and able to deal with an uprising quickly and decisively(though admittedly Guthix would have a much higher ratio of power over has followers than the army over the police so it's just a rough estimation considering the army is pretty much the pinacle of powerful forces in a country[other military forces count too]) so would you send in the police with hockey sticks just because criminals know that if they get too big in their britches we always have the army to sic on them? I think not. Thanks for giving me the name, I always forget it. Anyway obviously in that instance Guthix chose to use one of his followers to preserve balance rather than deal with it himself, so if he can imbue his followers with power what stops him from imbuing a weapon or armor?

Junk trading isn't freedom, either. You may think that you're escaping the barriers of trade, but all you're doing is running into the trap of yet another problem - mounds and mounds of junk replacing cash in everyday trade. If you think it's freedom now, wait a few months down the road when your bank is full of useless crap. then you lend your gs/dclaws and your junk less! how does that help precisely?

I didn't know void was guthix...? yeh i guess technically but tbh void vs a someone in bandos with a gs, gf Sorry, I guess I didn't make my points blatantly obvious enough. Would you like some flashing lights? wow way to miss the point i never said that guthix needed to make powerful items to attract followers but knowing that he has followers, and due to the fact that he sleeps it is not at all unreasonable to believe that his followers might be granted weapons to keep the balance as he sleeps preventing him from having to awake and share the living [cabbage] out of everyone again saying that the followers of guthix shouldn't have a god weapon because he can wake up and handle it himself is like saying that police shouldn't have weapons because we could always just use the army it's ovbious guthix imbues his followers with certain powers, case in point being juna and the guardian at fog who's name escapes me

And you obviously know nothing of the subject that's being talked about. For the record, this entire thread involves scarcity-based economics inside Runescape. But I was replying to this: From this post and other posts on this thread I have inferred that Magzar believes that the better items in Runescape should belong to all players. Due to these items being inherently more desirable and with a limited supply, their prices rise. Magzar wants these prices to be low. I was pointing out the idiocy in this belief. lrn2read i never said i wanted the prices to be low i want them to be less ridiculously priced but the thread is really about junk trading because no matter how much junk you throw in you're still trading that rare for the exact same damn price as if you didn't add the junk you're just making people buy your useless [cabbage] [/hide] 1. They're ridiculously priced by the laws of supply and demand. 2.Junk trading occurs inside Runescape which essentially a scarcity-based economy. Therefore this thread is also about scarcity. 3.Then hasn't junk become a second currency? your number 2 isn't a real sentence, the first half doesn't mean anything as for number 3 no because it's unusable outside of junk trading once you have it you can't do anything with it unless you have a rare to sell and the junk is clogging the market more and more junk is flooding in every day, and no one is getting rid of it because it's used in junk trading let it keep up and everyone is going to end up with more junk than money, and absolutely nothing to do with it and carl there's nothing good about trying to keep items out of peoples' hands if we used the g.e. to start with and the prices rose then the items would be expensive, but available without the complication of gathering or otherwise acquiring junk 2. Thanks, I've fixed it now 3. This is called a fiat currency. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_currency read the article fiat currency is a representative given a government guarantee of it's value in paying taxes unless you're considering the increased price to be taxes and the players to be the government then junk is not fiat currency

what did he even say? the grammar was so bad as to be unintelligible

And you obviously know nothing of the subject that's being talked about. For the record, this entire thread involves scarcity-based economics inside Runescape. But I was replying to this: From this post and other posts on this thread I have inferred that Magzar believes that the better items in Runescape should belong to all players. Due to these items being inherently more desirable and with a limited supply, their prices rise. Magzar wants these prices to be low. I was pointing out the idiocy in this belief. lrn2read i never said i wanted the prices to be low i want them to be less ridiculously priced but the thread is really about junk trading because no matter how much junk you throw in you're still trading that rare for the exact same damn price as if you didn't add the junk you're just making people buy your useless [cabbage] [/hide] 1. They're ridiculously priced by the laws of supply and demand. 2.Junk trading falls occurs inside Runescape which essentially a scarcity-based economy. 3.Then hasn't junk become a second currency? your number 2 isn't a real sentence, the first half doesn't mean anything as for number 3 no because it's unusable outside of junk trading once you have it you can't do anything with it unless you have a rare to sell and the junk is clogging the market more and more junk is flooding in every day, and no one is getting rid of it because it's used in junk trading let it keep up and everyone is going to end up with more junk than money, and absolutely nothing to do with it and carl there's nothing good about trying to keep items out of peoples' hands if we used the g.e. to start with and the prices rose then the items would be expensive, but available without the complication of gathering or otherwise acquiring junk

the problem isn't in the prices themselves it's in the fact that junk trading makes no sense you're not getting more money for that rare item, you're just selling more stuff if you really want to off that junk so badly, then sell it in general stores it may not turn as much of a profit but you'll be rid of it and you'll have a handy stack of coins then you can sell your rares for the price you're already selling them for minus the junk and the trading of just the rares will allow the market prices to fluctuate making those prices rise to higher levels and eventually leveling off at a number everyone can be satisfied with expensive, but not exorbitant i never once said that i think you should be able to go raise money for a day and buy an ags my argument was never really even about prices it was about the fact that junk trading is a ridiculously useless practice that makes no sense and should be done away with in favor of actual cash for item trades like it was in the good old days

And you obviously know nothing of the subject that's being talked about. For the record, this entire thread involves scarcity-based economics inside Runescape. But I was replying to this: From this post and other posts on this thread I have inferred that Magzar believes that the better items in Runescape should belong to all players. Due to these items being inherently more desirable and with a limited supply, their prices rise. Magzar wants these prices to be low. I was pointing out the idiocy in this belief. lrn2read i never said i wanted the prices to be low i want them to be less ridiculously priced but the thread is really about junk trading because no matter how much junk you throw in you're still trading that rare for the exact same damn price as if you didn't add the junk you're just making people buy your useless [cabbage]

I didn't know void was guthix...? yeh i guess technically but tbh void vs a someone in bandos with a gs, gf

Lulz look at carl's sig he is the tyant :ohnoes:

wow you entirely missed the point, i never said i wanted the items to be cheap things like party hats and what not are already worth huge prices on the g.e. and that's not likely to change i want an end to price gouging, providing general availability of items not to anyone with 10k knocking around but a player with a bank account of 30m should be able to afford good armor and weapons people use rare items as they were never intended to be they set the prices way above what they may actually be worth in comparison to their weaker counterparts for instance barrows is some of the best equipment in the game yet it is easily affordable to an experienced player and is a good price compared to its effectiveness i would say the same about the whip, they're not something you can play for two weeks and then buy but they're also not something you have to spend countless hours gathering random crap for, even if you are a high level, experienced player, such as is the case with some items edit: i'm glad to hear you're not that way in real life carl unfortunately the way you do things in runescape may be used as a guideline by other people who may not see it as a problem outside of the game, it's sad but true that values learned in a game can easily be transferred over into real life, and the whole only i matter standpoint is really a horrible thing in any setting it's really a double edged sword you're taking things people pay to be able to get out of their hands so you are hurting people in real life as well

that pwns the hell out of the flare sword =D wanna start a rewmur? \

what he said i've never seen them higher than about 300 even before the g.e

[hide=] and there's the problem Runescape is a game and players pay for the opportunity to own and use these rare items that merchants take such pride in placing out of their reach keep it up and watch what happens a lot of people are dissatisfied with the ridiculous prices and it only takes so many kid's parents complaining about it before Jagex will be forced to take action cheaters and people working around the system is what brought on trade limits and did away with the wilderness what would you like to destroy next? Hang on a second. The Ge was introduced when trade limits were going to be set, ANYWAY. You couldn't work around the system before trade limites, because there was no system. Things today are just the same as they used to be, the new items are sold at rediculously high prices today, just as they once used to be. RuneScape is a game, yes, and playing it how I want to is my own decision. There's clearly not enough people dissatisfied with the current situation for Jagex to care, and when Jagex decide to take action all they can really do to fix this is make it so items rise more per update. Think Jagex are going to listen to some kids PARENTS?! Hell, there's not even a way for someones parent to complain to Jagex. by working around the system i mean RWT and considering Jagex is a business their contact information has to be on file if nothing else enough digging would find you their mailing address and enough pissed off soccermoms can drive anyone crazy enough to change things as far as choosing your own way to play, that's great until it becomes a detriment to the playing experience of others if your choice was to make your character walk around nude(assuming that were possible) people would take offense because it lowers their standard of play placing prices of items out of the reach of non merchants has the same effect Jagex does not want to implement any more restrictions on trade so they are hesitant to make changes but if the practice continues they'll have no choice but to stamp out merchants for the good of the majority the same way you stamp out players with less money for the good of your wallet i'll be the first to admit it's clever and applaud your ingenuity, but eventually jagex will be forced to stop it, it's just good business I know enough digging can get you there information (I, myself, have Andrew gower's personal email address and the new head of RuneScape's., but I really don't think Jagex will listen. Whenever they come across something they can't fix, they completely ignore it (From my own personal experience with several Jagex mods). Merchants have been around since the start of RuneScape's, it's a completely different way of playing RuneScape to some. I myself don't skill, nor train anything. Just merchant and manipulate with my fellow channel members. Fair enough, it is ruining how others play and train but honestly, I don't care. As you said, my wallet's more important than others game play (By that I mean the things I do, I couldn't care about who they affected). Jagex already destroyed the old way of merchanting by implementing trade restrictions, so we have to work around it. Jagex have already tried cutting down some common items that are used to junk trade, e.g scrolls, pouches. But there's always more. Until they come out with a super-effective way of destroying all junk, nothing will happen. [/hide] yeh the system they implemented trading pouches and scrolls for shards was a step in the right direction i think if they maybe let you trade in unstrung bows for credit for something like arrows/bolts and maybe willow logs could be traded in for credit for planks and whatnot for construction, things like this would cut down on the junk a lot but that still only partially addresses the problem and if you're the type of person to fill your pockets at the expense of others in the real world as well as in runescape then i'm sorry to say it, but i wish you all the worst

and there's the problem Runescape is a game and players pay for the opportunity to own and use these rare items that merchants take such pride in placing out of their reach keep it up and watch what happens a lot of people are dissatisfied with the ridiculous prices and it only takes so many kid's parents complaining about it before Jagex will be forced to take action cheaters and people working around the system is what brought on trade limits and did away with the wilderness what would you like to destroy next? Hang on a second. The Ge was introduced when trade limits were going to be set, ANYWAY. You couldn't work around the system before trade limites, because there was no system. Things today are just the same as they used to be, the new items are sold at rediculously high prices today, just as they once used to be. RuneScape is a game, yes, and playing it how I want to is my own decision. There's clearly not enough people dissatisfied with the current situation for Jagex to care, and when Jagex decide to take action all they can really do to fix this is make it so items rise more per update. Think Jagex are going to listen to some kids PARENTS?! Hell, there's not even a way for someones parent to complain to Jagex. by working around the system i mean RWT and considering Jagex is a business their contact information has to be on file if nothing else enough digging would find you their mailing address and enough pissed off soccermoms can drive anyone crazy enough to change things as far as choosing your own way to play, that's great until it becomes a detriment to the playing experience of others if your choice was to make your character walk around nude(assuming that were possible) people would take offense because it lowers their standard of play placing prices of items out of the reach of non merchants has the same effect Jagex does not want to implement any more restrictions on trade so they are hesitant to make changes but if the practice continues they'll have no choice but to stamp out merchants for the good of the majority the same way you stamp out players with less money for the good of your wallet i'll be the first to admit it's clever and applaud your ingenuity, but eventually jagex will be forced to stop it, it's just good business

yeh if the quest is as easy as you say then it would make no difference id it was a requirement or not rendering your argument null and void people would just go do it really quick and we would be in the same exact place we are now with the addition of the abyss and GOP more people became interested in runecrafting and more players got the levels to craft laws, which drove the price down as their availability increased it wasn't removing the quest requirement that changed it it was the availability i had already done the quest when they changed it so it didn't matter to me either way but it really didn't make any sense to be part of that quest they should have made a quest centered on entrana to involve law rune crafting in a quest unfortunately, they let some noob write the quest and rewards and we ended up with it the way it is now they won't change it back so either way it's a moot point

Who doesn't make them ok in the real world? socialists. Thats what it is. Socialism. The government controls the markets. Whats so shady about them charging $6 a gallon for gas? Its not like anyone would buy it if theres one across the street selling for $4 a gallon. now imagine a gas station being the only one for 30 miles, and they decide they want to charge $6 a gallon

and there's the problem Runescape is a game and players pay for the opportunity to own and use these rare items that merchants take such pride in placing out of their reach keep it up and watch what happens a lot of people are dissatisfied with the ridiculous prices and it only takes so many kid's parents complaining about it before Jagex will be forced to take action cheaters and people working around the system is what brought on trade limits and did away with the wilderness what would you like to destroy next?