Yes, thankyou for your wise and insightful input. It was greatly appreciated. Anyway, unfortunately, most RS players tend to not listen to facts and truths, and just do their own thing. By the way, just a question, if a guy is 1-iteming with a whip for example and dies with protect item on, does it count as him risking the 1m (or whatever it is that whips are worth these days) or 0gp? actually i think what you're risking is the value it tells you when you log in lulz i just went to fally with 3 items and these same two guys just kept coming back for more i killed each of them like 10 times no useful drops