magzar

It's not because those items are readily available both from shops and monster drops

Erm... If they can attack you, you can attack them. Just fyi. lulz maybe he isn't familiar with the right click attack option

Moocky for once I agree with you. This guy has posted 5 threads, none of which have any real discussion value, and they're all pretty much complaining or whining. I move to ban him from creating threads. Do I hear a second? Hey, if you don't like my threads, then gtfo. I am sick of on my threads complaining about me. nect time I see you post on my threads I will report you to a mod. Lulz go ahead and report me. I'm not breaking any rules by saying you post cabbage. Other people agree. Your posts have little or no value whatsoever. So report away my whiny friend, and don't be too surprised when you get laughed at.

Were the GE adjusted, you'd see the normal players start using it again. Also, did you even read Soma's ideas? There was mroe to them then just adjusting prices. And the ability to liquidate junk would come along with the removal of price floors and dependencies/ties simply because the prices of junk would fall to where people would actually buy it from the GE. Implement both those changes at the same time and you will end up with what you want: people using the GE and the ability to liquidate junk. That said, there is still the chance for the GE to go off-track again, so I suggest you reread Soma's ideas because he offered some loical solutions to this problem. EDIT: And how can you expect people to use it when doing so means a loss of potential millions? Let's say there's an item worth 10 mill on the GE and 100 mill on the "street" and that the prices have not moved for 30+ days. You are out training and get one of these items ("item x"), do you sell it on the GE in order to help "fix" the GE or do you hold onto it? Selling it helps the GE, sure, but now that the GE's got the correct price, you don't have the item any more and, because the price leveled out at about 65 mill and you sold at 10 mill, you just took a 55 mill hit. Yeah, real smart. ok but imagine if people used the g.e. and prices did hit 65m, and then you were lucky enough to get another of the item. If people never sold the prices would have stayed at 10m. So by not selling everyone is taking a 55m hit. If no one ever sells, the price will never rise. It's kind of like D claws which are now 19.7m since people are selling them on the G.E. instead of junking them prices are rising VERY quickly. Would you have preferred if people junked them and they were still only worth 150k?

If it doesn't matter to you then don't post. What the hell is wrong with you? I mean honestly why post something that contributes absolutely nothing to the discussion? (man i'm an [wagon] on the forums) Because having a no opinion is valid in itself. It is an implication that the topic isn't important enough to myself, an average runescape player, to care about it one way or the other. :thumbsup: If something doesn't interest you, then you don't involve yourself in the discussion. Stop making useless posts just to raise your post count. It's just spam, and spam is against the rules, and you can be banned, and i think you should be, because you're stupid and i hate you you big ugly fat dummy who's currently on fire and needs to be peed on in order to extinguish the flames, but only on your face \ :thumbsup: :D :lol: :twisted: :idea: :mrgreen: =D> :twss: :XD:

i do have like 1k willow logs -.- but i can always burn them if i'm not mistaken teak is better xp these days and teak sells so yeh

That's a good read. Unfortunately it's the same as my argument so I doubt it's going to do much good. Those for junk trading will just say we don't understand how it works, and that the junk is overpriced, and that it's actually worth 0. The only real problem(mechanics wise) with the G.E. is that people don't use it, and because they don't use it the prices don't change, and so people think it's broken. How could anyone possibly expect it to work when there are hundreds of thousands of offers, but probably no more than 100 sellers per week, if that. I honestly don't even understand how people accumulate so much junk, I'm level 106, all of my stats are above level 50, most are in at least the 60's and I have never accumulated junk. With a total level of over 1600 and no junk to show for it It's pretty apparent to me that levelling can be done without junk trading. Some of the biggest junk producers are summoning and fletching many summoning pouches are sellable on the G.E. and others can be exchanged for shards. For some reason that I don't understand people seem to make A LOT of unstrung maple longbows. Personally I can't even begin to understand why. My fletching level is 65. How many maple longbows did i produce? 258. So, how, you ask, did I get 65 fletching with so little junk? Well I'll tell you! During my "quest" for the Quest Cape(pardon the pun) I looked at some of the requirements. "Wow," I thought, "I need 69 smithing." This was soon after the release of Stealing creation and I had a few morphic tools. So I mined myself some mithril(eventually getting bored and buying ores instead) and I used those tools to smith mithril bolts due to the fact that, at the time, the bonus they provided was greatest for items made from a single bar. I accumulated a ton of mithril bolts, and so I thought, "Hey! Feathers are cheap. I'll get some and feather my bolts so I get the most out of them." Then since I had a bunch of uncut gems saved up(for some reason I still collect every gem I see, including sapphires) i cut them into bolt tips and tipped my bolts. I even enchanted them. So, during the course of getting the required smithing level I got to 65 fletching, where I can easily make yew bows. What's more is I did it while making an item that sells easily, and is really one of the smallest losses in smithing.

wow what detailed, well though out posts you make. :wall:

no

If it doesn't matter to you then don't post. What the hell is wrong with you? I mean honestly why post something that contributes absolutely nothing to the discussion? (man i'm an [wagon] on the forums)

Which is exactly the situation we already have, when you really think about it. Yeh, which is why people say some items are underpriced in the first place. There's no real reason that they're "worth" that much. That's just the prices the first sellers decided they would like to sell them for. Not that it's all their fault though. We, as buyers shouldn't be quite so to pay ridiculous prices to get our hands on the items before anyone else that we allow sellers to gouge prices at will. Smart buying and selling is the key to being wealthy in life, and an in runescape.

Omg at you freaking out and not contributing to the discussion. True, I honestly have no idea why I did that. I guess I thought he needed some help or somthing :? . Yep, and I pretty much did the same thing i guess, so enough worrying about the OP's intentions and more talk about the topic at hand. =D

Probably Piscatoris, the Eagle's area, and the Hunter areas nearby also. Personally I would love to have a visible quiver that could have a use that would make it a possible alternative to the ever popular accumulator. Maybe something like occasionally firing 2 arrows at once, but only costing you one arrow, or being able to hold multiple types of ranged ammunition in the same slot, and being able to switch between them without taking up extra inventory slots. That would be very useful if you're using diamond and ruby tipped bolts against a boss.

Omg at you freaking out and not contributing to the discussion.

The thread became a debate over whether or not junk trading is actually profitable because that was one of your main arguments in support of your idea to just forget junk trading completely without fixing the GE. Now, I will agree that junk trading is a problem; it is a problem created by the GE. Fix the GE (Soma's ideas being some of the best I've seen yet), and junk trading will go away. Acenator, even if the GE was adjusted, people would still say it's wrong because, they will always want more and more for their items. I really don't think simply changing the GE will have nearly the effect that you think it would. I also never said the GE prices were right. I said that if people traded on the GE the prices would adjust overtime. The biggest thing that needs to be done is to institute a way to get rid of your junk as no one in their right mind would junk trade if they knew they could get the same amount by dumping onto NPCs. It would be quicker and much less hassle all around. I do think that the GE needs adjustments though. However, I think that if Jagex only changed the GE, and did not add a new way to get rid of junk, that players would either raise their prices in turn, or come up with another scheme to dump their junk off on other people. @Madmanpur3: In your #3 you suggest it being a good idea to go gather junk. Please, catch up. If you don't have the junk already you're better off selling for max on the GE if that item's price isn't moving.(if you intend to make a profit that is.) If you already have 99 in those "junk producing skills," why in the name of all that is holy would you go waste your time doing them to make junk when you could be out doing something profitable like runecrafting? We've reached a consensus thatm if you don't have junk to get rid of you're better off selling a stagnant rare for max on the GE. As far as your #2, Holding a stagnant rare and hoping for a miracle is no better than holding junk and hoping it high alchs itself for free. 1 and 4 I'm cool with.

gonna add this to the first post I don't see that as a find. It's been there since the first diary was released. It's just saying that there are interesting things to do everywhere in Runescape, and that many of those out of the way places have things that players overlook. If you notice, The only diary that has been released from that list is Karamja. There is no mention of Varrock, Lumby, Fally, Seers, or Relleka in that, and all of those places have diaries. To be honest the KB really isn't a very good source of reliable information about the future of Runescape. It leads to more unfounded speculation than anything else.

How can you get a skull scepter at lvl 16? it's impossible. i tried to quit for while but i cant. any ideas for me? and also, can someone give me some suggestions about what fun things to do on rs? the only thing i can think of is duelling... maybe pvp. and sorry about my threads... i wont create anymore. :shame: :idea: 1. it's not impossible, it's difficult, but not impossible 2. Fun is a relative term. Find what's fun for you, because you will have different ideas of what's fun than other people. Perhaps try some mini games though, people usually enjoy at least one of those. lalala i haven't the slightest idea how you can enjoy the repetitiveness and sheer lack of anything exciting ever happening that runecrafting gives. It doesn't even have its own random event.

Oh right! Sorry. He did however create magic and, as Magzar pointed out, introduced life on Gielinor. I would be very tired after doing such things. It's also possible it's not a true sleep, but an altered state of deep meditation and contemplation such as was the case with the druids in Warcraft 3. This seems to be a common theme. Perhaps Guthix is allowing his consciousness to drift across the planes until such time as his world needs him to keep the natural balance.

he didn't create it he found it but supposedly he did bring life to it

Unless you have proof don't say something is a fact because I highly doubt that is the case. I agree with this. Either post a video of yourself getting 4000 kills and then not being able to do anymore damage or gtfo.

I like this idea, but there is an issue that remains. Every time a new medium to high 'value' item enters the game, which is fairly frequent, the prices will almost certainly be inaccurate from the start. After all, Jagex have no way of actually knowing what people will pay for an item, it's a case of typing in a guestimated number, holding your breath and hitting enter. Instead, there should be a period of 'correction' for these items, which I'd define as a guestimated worth over 30,000gp (the non-GE trade limit, where junk trading starts to occur), where the GE price starts at the pre-set number, but the limits are relaxed to ±20% (and gradually shrink to ±5%, the more steady the GE price becomes) to get the prices really responsive to a relatively tiny market due to small initial supply. If nothing happens even with this ±20% limit, the GE item price should be reviewed. This would also work for already existing items where the street value is different to the GE value. That's a good idea in theory, but I still don't know if people could curb their greed long enough to implement it. If the first people to get the items decide they want them to be 100x the G.E. price and go around telling everyone that's what they're worth, then the gullible players of runescape will fall in behind it like sheep obeying the hounds. Somehow I think that even if Jagex took major strides in making items G.E. prices match their street value and placed new items at much higher starting prices, players would still choose to set their prices much higher. For instance, imagine if Jagex released Divine or Elysian armor, and valued each piece at 100m starting price, do you think players would be satisfied, or do you think the players who got their hands on it first would decide it should be worth 500m per piece because they want more out of it. I really do believe that the best way to stop players from doing that is to bring in a system to liquidate junk for, or slightly below, G.E. prices. Off Topic: Will is Alien intentionally spelled wrong in your sig? If the people who get the item want to set ridiculously high prices for new items, that is fine. Really low supply, really high demand, that's what is supposed to happen. And Jagex shouldn't set the initial price any higher than they are now, they should just let the market move faster by temporarily loosening the GE trade limit. Eventually people won't buy the item because it's too high, but the sellers will lower their offer price because it's not unreasonable for them. This will then lower gradually enough to be tracked by the ±5% margin. Off Topic:Lol, sorry, it's action, not alien. I need to do my sig again, the image quality has degraded a bit. I'm just saying I don't think players would be satisfied even if new items were ridiculously expensive from the start. I think people would still assert that they're worth far more than the set price, regardless of what that set price is. Off Topic: Haha, wow that makes sense now, I just saw the planet and couldn't see the cross on the t, so naturally I thought alien. To be honest it would only take one alien to change everything though. What format is your sig in? You might want to try PNG it tends to avoid the blurriness and pixelation that jpegs end up with.

i think you gonna need help grammar regardless of grammer, he makes a great point with this poll. 3 slots left and 3 areas left in this poll? I have a feeling trollhiem/gwd might be the last one :thumbup: Considering it only got 3% of the vote I'm not so sure. I think a desert or morytania diary is more likely considering the GWD really is pretty much the only thing to do in that area.(if one comes out and it says take a task from turael/his replacement i will be SERIOUSLY annoyed)

I like this idea, but there is an issue that remains. Every time a new medium to high 'value' item enters the game, which is fairly frequent, the prices will almost certainly be inaccurate from the start. After all, Jagex have no way of actually knowing what people will pay for an item, it's a case of typing in a guestimated number, holding your breath and hitting enter. Instead, there should be a period of 'correction' for these items, which I'd define as a guestimated worth over 30,000gp (the non-GE trade limit, where junk trading starts to occur), where the GE price starts at the pre-set number, but the limits are relaxed to ±20% (and gradually shrink to ±5%, the more steady the GE price becomes) to get the prices really responsive to a relatively tiny market due to small initial supply. If nothing happens even with this ±20% limit, the GE item price should be reviewed. This would also work for already existing items where the street value is different to the GE value. That's a good idea in theory, but I still don't know if people could curb their greed long enough to implement it. If the first people to get the items decide they want them to be 100x the G.E. price and go around telling everyone that's what they're worth, then the gullible players of runescape will fall in behind it like sheep obeying the hounds. Somehow I think that even if Jagex took major strides in making items G.E. prices match their street value and placed new items at much higher starting prices, players would still choose to set their prices much higher. For instance, imagine if Jagex released Divine or Elysian armor, and valued each piece at 100m starting price, do you think players would be satisfied, or do you think the players who got their hands on it first would decide it should be worth 500m per piece because they want more out of it. I really do believe that the best way to stop players from doing that is to bring in a system to liquidate junk for, or slightly below, G.E. prices. Off Topic: Will is Alien intentionally spelled wrong in your sig?

Haha, true, but I did still make an effort to use proper grammar. I also tend to take the time to type better when I've been sleeping, which for the past couple nights, I have been. I hate insomnia.

Guthix is awake now. no he isn't i just did wgs last night and i can assure you guthix did not wake up however i speculate in the continuance of that quest line that he will So Jagex put him back to sleep? Or what? what are you talking about? Guthix doesn't wake up in WGS I think he means after Guthix ended the God Wars. Yes. Guthix appereantly goes back to sleep after the Wars, although He did find some time to post the God Letters. (strange...) Lulz Yeh, I think Andrew pestered him to the point that he couldn't get any decent shut eye. So he decided to answer the damn letters just to shut Andrew up.