magzar

you have to read all the letters they're not actually brothers they're brothers in that they're all gods it's a complicated

Not sure thats true, Iban is referenced as the "Son of Zamorak" in more of a symbolic way imo, after all he was a human black knight who was resurrected before he took control of the underground pass, and im not sure Majharrats have human child, do they? oh, that's true It's been so long since i did those quests that I completely forgot that

Simple terms: Saradomin - God of goodness. Guthix - The god of balance, possibly Zaros' father. Zamorak - The now god of badness, born a Mahjraart (sp?) Iban - A follower of Zamorak, now a God (upon completion of While Guthix Sleeps) Bandos - The God of Goblins and Ogres Armadyl - The God of the skies/wings. Any others you want to know? Wow you're so far off it's sad. Saradomin would be a equivalent to the Christian God. Moralistic and obsessive over purity, even to the extent that the quest to be pure denies his followers freedom. However, his true motives lie in being the "one true god" and being worshiped by all. He has no qualms about venturing into gray areas when it comes to "fighting evil." Guthix is indeed the God of balance. There is no information whatsoever to support Guthix being the father of anyone. Guthix, Saradomin, and Zamorak refer to each other as brothers, but it's a title rather than a sign of relation. It equates to something like fraternity brothers. Zamorak is a god of chaos, not "badness." He was a mahjarrat general in Zaros's army. He, along with followers, betrayed Zaros and became a God himself.(you can find the full story in the ghostly robes miniquest.) Iban is a mage, supposedly the son of Lucien. He's not a god in any way. Lucien is a former Mahjarrat general, and the father of Iban. He seems to be attempting to follow in the footsteps of Zamorak and ascend to godhood. He posesses both the staff of Armadyl and the Stone of Jas. Bandos is the god of war. He commands the warlike races such as goblins, ogres, and trolls, by taking advantage of their stupidity and their high regard for physical strength. Armadyl is the god of law. He tends to side with Saradomin against lawbreakers such as Bandos and Zamorak. It is likely he would be a powerful force if ever reunited with his staff, which seems to have the power to make or break other gods. However, without it he would seem to be severely weakened. Zaros is still a bit of a mystery. Although it is likely he shares many of the same traits as Zamorak, He would have been much more powerful, and his true goals would like in the conquering and destruction of the entire world. He would match up well with baal from the Diablo II expansion. There is also the Elven goddess Seren, and the Desert pantheon, and Jas, little is known about these at this point. Oops I listed Lucien as the father of Iban, I meant Zamorak. Got my facts a bit twisted.

You fail at reading. I was responding not to his original post, but to all of his posts since then implying that all the names after 6 months should be redone, given that virtually all of the good names are taken by quit\banned people who left tutorial island long ago. again, you fail at reading, because he never said that.

i think they should delete any character that hasn't logged on at all for an extended period of time honestly And I really agree with deleting any character who hasn't completed the tutorial after 6 months the only problem is that people would then probably take the characters, do the tutorial, and then never play them again I think at this point any character that has not been played in over a year should be wiped, regardless Then, now that Jagex requires email for new characters, start sending out an email to anyone who hasn't played in 6 months telling them that if they have still not logged in within one week, the character will be deleted I mean honestly what use does someone have for a character name if they never use the character unless they want to sell it later (which is against the rules of course) If you want a cool username, make it the first time and continue to use it. As far as changing your name, that wouldn't work as countless people would want to all the time. The neverending shift in used and unused usernames would likely cause some annoying [wagon] bugs. Like say for instance 2 players tried to get the same username at the same exact time. Would the program deny both, or accept both, or randomly choose which one gets it? Then you have to consider the player's confusion with their friends changing their names and how you would make the friends list or ignore list work when those players did change their names. There are just waaaaaaay too many problems with that for jagex to ever let players do it.

Patents run out and have to be renewed They don't correspond to runescape usernames anyway. They're the property of Jagex, and to be honest if you don't log in for an extended period of time and have never played on the character, jagex would be more than justified to delete your character. I'm actually not positive they don't do this actually. I once had an account named shrouded, and i remember the password. When i try to log on with it, it doesn't work though.

hey don't rag on nwn but yes it's based off d&d gay as that may be

With the exception of being able to help lucien, the runescape character is, by default, neutral good. He/she doesn't care so much about laws as he does about helping people. He has no qualms about killing, stealing, lying, or getting drunk off his/her [wagon], so long as it's to help someone out. Personally I would prefer to be true neutral. cyrisus =(

Man, are you still here? You're a complete moron, NEARLY ALL RWT TAKES PLACE IN F2P! And where in hell are you getting these values on gold? Nobody is selling gold for $0.10/M, are you kidding me?? Gold retails at around $3.00-4.00 USD per Million. This means you can transfer $15.00-20.00 worth of gold each transfer. Considering one transfer takes about 5 minutes (180 sec penalty plus some setup time), you can be transferring $240 USD worth of gold per hour. That's just on F2P doing a regular god armor transfer (Sara Set + Wiz [G]). You have demonstrated time and time again that you are a complete moron, and you seem to be happy adding fuel to the fire. It just goes to show how absolutely uninformed the Runescape public is as far as RWT goes, if you truly think a million gold sells for 10 cents. That's like $6.50 for an AGS, the best weapon in Runescape. If gold was that cheap, there would be no point for retailers in the first place. I mean, what normal Runescape player would need more than 100M? If they could buy everything they'd ever need for a measly $10, anyone selling gold would be better off sewing rugs in India. If 5M is such a waste of time, are you saying that you don't think Jagex should worry about the people transferring 5M at a time? Because if that is indeed what you are saying, you are essentially agreeing with my argument. The amount of RWT going on is incredibly insiginificant. In the old days, billions changed hands everyday in Runescape. In this current age, there is nowhere near that amount being exchanged. Anyways, what is the point of arguing with you, when you have admitted you've NEVER used Bounty Hunter? You talk about assumptions, and yet you're throwing out numbers and statements that are based purely on your own moronic guesses which have absolutely no basis. "People must be using P2P to xfer because 5M costs $0.50!" That statement alone proves it. You really should not be posting here anymore. lulz, hey [bleep]wit, i said before RWT updates. Still I just did a bit of research, and I'm finding an average price of about $2.50 per million. But consider how many people would buy items instead of gold, you can't transfer members items on f2p. I don't even get the point of arguing f2p vs. p2p though. That's not even what the argument is about. It also doesn't matter that I don't play BH, i haven't made any assumptions or thrown out numbers. I stated that I remember seeing gold advertised for those prices. The big issue is, as you've said, You can go there at any time and see people transferring. If the amout of rulebreaking is so severe that you can find rule breakers anytime you go to BH then that only reinforces that changes need to be made. Why are you so worried about it anyway if you're not a RWT'er? I mean bounty hunter isn't very popular, and anyone not involved in RWT prefers PVP worlds anyway, so what exactly is the big deal?

what nitwit would rwt or transfer through f2p? The most valuable items you can get in f2p come from p2p, and if i'm not mistaken, happens to be god armor. God armor is maybe a max of 5m per set, and due to the fact that you can only carry in one set of armor of any type at a time, this would make it take ridiculously long to transfer or rwt any significant amount. It really doesn't matter in the slightest if I play BH. I don't play castle wars, clan wars, go on pvp worlds, or do about 75% of the other minigames either. I still know how they work. I am also smart enough to know that RWT and Transfers of that "Easy 5m" or less would be a waste of time for all parties involved. RWT'ers sell gold in the hundreds of millions range, and are much more likely to go on p2p worlds where they can carry in things like third age or other such items that are worth far far more than measly god armor. Afterall if you ever checked out the rates on some of those gold farming sites, You'd realize how much of a waste of everyone's time 5m is. I remember back before anti-RWT updates, seeing sites advertising 100m for $10. That would translate to $.50 for 5m. OMG NOWZ I CNA GIT CHOKLIT MLK @ LUHNGH. Anyway, considering you really don't have any established players agreeing with you kind of takes credence away from your argument than anyone who spends time at BH could tell me the same things you are. So why don't you take the bet? Seriously. How exactly would you suggest they punish just those transferring or using RWT in BH? How would they even detect it? Do you think they wear signs that say "RWT!!!!!!?" There is no discernible difference between a player deciding to play BH and getting his [wagon] kicked, and a RWT'er going to bh, and getting his [wagon] kicked on purpose. These deals are made outside of RS so they can't even check chat logs 90% of the time. To be honest, every time you post i feel like throwing a puppy into a blender and making you drink it.

Hey magzar, maybe before you start blabbing on about all this, you should do some research to how Bounty Hunter actually works. Jagex ALREADY HAS RESTRICTED Bounty Hunter to TWO WORLDS! One F2P world (17) and one P2P world (18). I find it amusing how you are flaming me for my opinions when you seem to know absolutely nothing about the subject we are debating. From the statement you have made about Bounty Hunter worlds, you have right away shown us that you rarely (if EVER) use the minigame, and you obviously don't have the slightest clue about the current situation. The issue of traffic in Bounty Hunter is a sad excuse by Jagex anyways. The majority of transfers take place on F2P, where there is 10-20x more traffic than P2P. Many transfers take place at PEAK hours, and tend to be no more risky than those executed at night. You can go to Bounty Hunter on world 17 when it is at maximum capacity and find plenty of people transferring. The comment by Jagex about "quiet hours" shows that they are either complete fools, or they are trying to downplay the situation by saying it's only going on at some points of the day. I was not aware it was certain worlds, though now that you mention it i do seem to remember something about that. So congratulations, you managed to rule out a single possibility. Great. I would still love to know who's [wagon] you're pulling your statistics out of. Anyway, like i said in a previous post, I have never played bounty hunter. However, I have played Runescape since 2001, and to do that without having the slightest clue how the game works would make me a complete idiot. Then I would be on par with you. Since when does transfer take place on f2p? You certainly can't transfer the copious amounts of money, or those nice shiny members items on f2p. I think you pretty much shat on your entire argument when you made such a ludicrous statement. Anyway, what I'm saying is to increase the number of players possible to end up pitted against would make it harder to get your RWT'er or transfer partner in a match. So, if you fine tune the level match-ups, you fix the problem of level 105 vs level 132. That alone would probably increase traffic to bounty hunter tremendously. After all, why would someone go to bounty hunter where they have a single target and run the risk of being grossly outmatched when they can go to a pvp world and select their own targets without a penalty of any sort? Anyway, couple level fixes with some fancy new coding to make it harder for people to transfer or rwt, and you don't have to change anything else at all. The biggest problem is what to do about rogues, and that is a tough one. I think improving the incentive for killing your target, or perhaps randomly selecting a certain number(based on percentages) of items from the dead player's inventory as the drop for a rogue, would solve this. For instance, say someone making a transfer brings full third age to transfer, that's possibly as many as 5 items. Now say when the rogue kills the person making the transfer, they only get 60% of the items, and that 60% is chosen at random, and if the person making the transfer does not have a certain number of items, it instead switches to a drop table. (or imagine drop tables including a selection from the players inventory, plus some kind of bounty hunter specific currency allowing you to get bounty hunter rewards!) I wouldn't mind the sword the guy outside is wielding. Anyway, don't jump the gun is what i'm trying to say, you don't know what they're doing or why. There's an old saying that fits perfectly with this situation: "Opinions are like [wagon], everyone has one, but no one wants to hear about yours." By the way if you're saying the transfers are at all hours and they're worse than Jagex is saying, then not only are you contradicting your entire argument, but you're also completely validating the merit behind the actions Jagex is taking. Now either get your [cabbage] straight, or bugger right the [bleep] off.

These are not assumptions. As you can see from this, they are editting the Bounty Hunter to make it impossible to transfer. They've also mentioned that PVP worlds have given them insight on how to do so. It's quite obvious that the direct loot system is coming to an end, which really was the ONLY reason anyone cared about Bounty Hunter in the first place. In all honesty, they may as well remove BH all together if there are drop tables, because it will become deserted, just as the Duel Arena did once staking was removed. However, the past has showed us that Jagex is oblivious to what players will truly enjoy; they actually thought their garbage Duel Arena / Duel Tournament update was going to be popular in 2007. You act as if Jagex is this massive complex organization, impossible to read. If you looked at the recent Q + A, it's really quite obvious what they are doing. With some minimal research it's very simple to make a calculated guess at what is coming in the Bounty Hunter update. What's funny is that they actually closed the minigame for the weekend before the update was even complete. Seeing as the minigame has gone unchanged over the past 11 months or so, what was the dire need to prohibit players from using the traditional style BH for a couple more days? If this were really a small fix, why would it be necessary to go to such precautions? It shows that what is coming will change the entire dynamic of the minigame, and that they are so worried about people transferring through it that they felt the urgency to shut it down immediately. How can you expect a gameplay-friendly update from Jagex when they are shutting the minigame down for the weekend before they're even ready to update it? Doesn't that demonstrate their apathetic view on gameplay? They seem much more eager to shut the entire game down for a weekend than to actually have the update ready on time. And they've had tons of time, over a year to be exact, to get this update where it needs to be. And yet, it's still not done. Surprise surprise, might as well just disable it for a few days, or maybe even weeks. Whatever suits their fancy. But of course you're arguing against me, saying they're not going to compromise gameplay with this update. Let's be realistic here. Anytime you see Jagex talking about RWT affecting an area of the game, you may as well consider that area nuked. They killed staking, trading and the Wilderness all because of RWT. You don't think they're gonna kill Bounty Hunter too? Seems like the exact same situation as before. OK so to start; yes, they are assumptions. Considering the fact that you do not work for Jagex, and therefore can not possibly know exactly what is planned to be changed, you can only assume. By the act of assuming something will happen, you are, surprise surprise, making an assumption. If you intend to debate that I very very highly suggest you grab the nearest copy of webster's dictionary and look up the word assumption. I believe you may find it enlightening. Next, as i have said, you do not work for Jagex and do not know their plans. Jagex is under new leadership now. Perhaps our new headman decided it was time to end the rulebreaking in bounty hunter, and that he didn't want to let it go on period, so he chose to close it until it was changed. Also the quote from Jagex you posted listed several reasons for changing bounty hunter, not just real world trading. You can not leave out parts in order to suit your agenda my friend. They will have to make several major adjustments to the coding to improve the game mechanics so that it will match up levels better, and work better at low traffic times. I assure you it is much easier to change the coding that is in place if it is offline. In other news, please remember Jagex is a business. In a business, the administration can not always do what their customers want, and must instead choose what is best for the continuation and success of the business as a whole. People breaking the rules is bad for business, and has to be done away with. To be quite honest you're an absolute piece of moronic [cabbage], and i mean that with all respect that is due. If you honestly think Jagex is changing things to make certain parts of the game worse for players, then you're far beyond the bounds of hope. When they finish reworking the code, what I expect to see is levels matching up better, and a system that makes it harder for players to match up with a rwt'er or to transfer between accounts or other players. It also would not surprise me in the slightest if they limited bounty hunter to certain worlds, which would greatly increase traffic in the craters and make it damn near impossible. To be completely honest, I see so many possibilities to fix this without damaging the game in any way that i highly doubt that drop tables will be used. So I have a challenge for you. A sort of bet if you will. Due to the fact that you are so sure you're right i'm sure you'll have no qualms about this either. When they release the update, if you're wrong, you write the words "I'm a bleeping moron" across your forehead, take a picture, and make that your sig. How does that sound? Anyone with me?

You've missed the point of this thread entirely. The anti-RWT campaign has already worked to stop what it was intended to stop in the first place. The macroers are gone, the CC fraud is gone with it. You'll NEVER EVER EVER make a game RWT-free. That's just a fact; where there is a market, there is a way. If there are no ways to transfer, guess what will happen? Gold-Farming will become the widespread way of buying gold. If you thought BH transfers were annoying, what do you think about Asian companies playing on people's characters, competing for the same resources as you, and potentially re-opening the door to macroing? Might want to think on that one a little, because there's no way to prevent someone else playing on your account. actually, jagex has a system in place that prevents paying people to level or gold farm on your account if they detect logins from IP addresses from too far apart, within too short a time you get your account auto-locked for account sharing and have to prove that you're not somehow, it happened to a friend of mine because she was using a proxy that routed her through somewhere like singapore anyway, tbh, RWT is against the rules, sharing between accounts is against the rules, and lo and behold, avoiding trade limits is against the rules. If jagex makes a drop table, it won't affect the pking it only affects the drops, which if you're pking because you enjoy killing other players, you really don't care about anyway. I have personally never been to BH in all my years of play, it just isn't my thing, but my guess is they may restrict it to certain worlds, require more people to begin a game, and tighten the level restrictions. I really see no reason for them to change the drops if they make it harder to get the target you want If they can make it harder to get the target you want it would make it much harder to transfer or rwt because of unintended targets and whatnot interrupting, seems like a pretty easy fix to me if that's the case

at 54 summon i get 34 gold for 4 zeal 22 green for 5 22 crim for 12 and 29 blue for 30 hmm

i dunno those coffin keys can turn up ourg bones which are very unfail

18 potato cactus 60 big bones and 4 sabre tooth kyatt fur so far

Not a great thinker when it comes to business, eh? F2P = Potential future customers. If you mistreat/displease a future customer, then they won't want to do business with you = Loss of potential future profit. Therefore Jagex DOES have to give to f2p, how much, is the big decision on what's too far or too little. Therefore I believe they do deserve SOME customer service, however back to the way it used to be; P2P deals first, then f2p in spare time. Not true. Jagex could be like other games, and offer a 1 week trial, after which you can pay or gtfo. By allowing continued unlimited play of the free version, they already go far beyond other games in terms of providing for people who do not pay to play their game. They neither HAVE to provide f2p customer support, or even f2p at all. In fact they would make much more money if they only provided a short free trial because it would force people who wanted to play, to pay to do so. I really don't see what there is to complain about. You have a free game to play. It may not have customer support, or frequent updates, but the only thing you pay, is your internet bill.

Sorry i didn't bother to read all the posts, but what i have to say is simple enough that it doesn't require it. Customer service is for customers. If you want customer service, you have to be a customer. Being a customer requires purchasing goods or services. Free players are not customers. Free players should not get customer service.

How would a Godsword in the hands of a follower of Guthix be good for balance? A godsword wouldn't work since those were god wars weapons. However, a follower of Guthix with a god weapon would use it, not to gain power for himself, but to strike down those who would upset the balance. It really is like a good cop. The won't shoot someone just because they can, but if they are forced to, they will draw their sidearm and bust a cap, as it were. With power comes the urge to abuse it. Guthix would never allow a weapon that powerfull to fall in anyones hands (Lucien will die!). I disagree. Considering the power Guthix imbued upon fyora and juna, I think it's entirely possible that Guthix would bestow power to his followers. Granted, we really have no clue what his guardians are capable of, but considering the power the tears hold and the fact that juna has been able to guard them for ages, I think (she?) must be incredibly powerful. Juna with a Godsword :lol: lulz juna would pwn a godsword. Hard to swing anythin g when you have a giant snake crushing your bones to dust.

Guthix didn't bring humans to Gielinor to be worshipped. If you read the God Letters he states that though he doesn't desire followers, he realizes that there are those who would follow his ways. Why he chose to populate Gielinor is really a bit of a mystery, but it certainly wasn't to be worshipped.

How would a Godsword in the hands of a follower of Guthix be good for balance? A godsword wouldn't work since those were god wars weapons. However, a follower of Guthix with a god weapon would use it, not to gain power for himself, but to strike down those who would upset the balance. It really is like a good cop. The won't shoot someone just because they can, but if they are forced to, they will draw their sidearm and bust a cap, as it were. With power comes the urge to abuse it. Guthix would never allow a weapon that powerfull to fall in anyones hands (Lucien will die!). I disagree. Considering the power Guthix imbued upon fyora and juna, I think it's entirely possible that Guthix would bestow power to his followers. Granted, we really have no clue what his guardians are capable of, but considering the power the tears hold and the fact that juna has been able to guard them for ages, I think (she?) must be incredibly powerful.

How would a Godsword in the hands of a follower of Guthix be good for balance? A godsword wouldn't work since those were god wars weapons. However, a follower of Guthix with a god weapon would use it, not to gain power for himself, but to strike down those who would upset the balance. It really is like a good cop. The won't shoot someone just because they can, but if they are forced to, they will draw their sidearm and bust a cap, as it were.

I care, actually, there's some pretty legit points in there. which is why i said if someone does they can look for it in blogscape

IRL for a world map to be flat people have to flub the sizes of landmasses a bit, otherwise they're forced to do the peeled open football shapes to make it accurate.

RS is most likely a sphere. But they can't lay it out as one. Runescape's coding lays it out on 5 levels if i remember correctly. -1 is the dungeon plane 0-4 are levels in the outside world and that is why 4 stories is as high as buildings in RS go they can't code it into a sphere, whether it is meant to be one or not Edit: That "leak" is so fake pamela anderson's breasts look at it and say "damn that is fake!"