Inuashakent

Whatever you want?

BBC, that's not my point. Market's change all the time, but... some skills just don't have a point besides training them.

Another question from me guys. How many points do you get a point/score? Or is this a cap to how many reward points you can get, and if so how many reward poitns do you get and what is the score required.

It's faster and cheaper than adamant bolts, but is definetely more of a hassle.

Can you give me a rough estimation on how long they last? Examples are fine for any skill and any item, although I"m looking at Smithing in particular. How does certain items affect how long it lasts...? How long does 1 rougly last? Thanks. Edit: How much longer are volatile compared to morphic?

Long loading time = lots of content, it could be considered a compliment. :D

Theres a calculator at HQ Edit: and just guessing.

Coal?

Do the above, but put your MTK on flax and fish, don't plant bushes, and don't pay farmers.

Yup. Look at the difference in price between Robin Hood Hat and Armadyl Helm, it's a +1 range bonus. That's hardly a difference at all. I think it's a 2.5M difference? Did you even look at the Fury's stats? That's a whole lot of stats to call just 1.

Haha, yeah, my guide does take a hell of a long time to load. I wear Neitiznot helm, Karils, Zammy spear, and the other standard equipment, and I use 2 Pure sets and the rest Prayer pots if you're using a Bunyip, but 1 pure set and 5 Prayer potions if not.

No, you said you use Fighter torso. Guthan's is a waste of time compared to a whip. If you're willing to Guthan more because you want an extra 2 str... You do know how much you lose when you're using Guthans, right? WRONG. Efficiency in Runescape is not real life efficiency.

Oh, and please, don't bring in the fun factor as your argument.

I hate it when people lose an argument they always bring in the fun factor. If that's your argument, why bother arguing when we're talking about a whole different aspect?

I can't even begin to say how biased all of this is... I'm not Compfreak, by the way :XD: It's not that hard to learn BA, considering you are required to listen to a quite lengthy tutorial before being allowed into a real game. Those who complain that complain that it takes a considerable amount of time either: *Are playing with inexperienced people *Skipped the tutorial That's too much of an over confident and unsupported answer to be held of any value. Yes, but it is explained with the rest of what I said. I'm not sure of the exact value, but I'm most definite that it takes more than 1-3 prayer potions each task. Your prayer level is 85, far higher than any average scaper. The prospect of losing 30k (at a bare minimum as you've outlined) a task is too much for some players, especially those who look to slayer as a profit earner - especially at lower levels. I'm 77 Prayer. Anybody can obtain 70, just go kill Green dragons or something. Making money is something anybody can do with knowledge of the game. It's called efficiency, I'll talk about this more below. I do have barrow armour, but I assume that you've read my whole argument and you'd know that barrow armour uses are not needed in some places. Which is why you use Proselyte. Save more money while Praying. Guthans is basically a reusable source at a very cheap price, and its uses are endless. Players could buy guthans for a (well it used to be much more) hefty price of 5M, and then they can use it at places such as GWD, DKing and other boss hunting places. It's a good investment to have a Guthan's set, as it will benefit you greatly. Bunyip is not over-rated. It's use during combat is limited, but it's ability to heal you as its base effect is invaluable. It's what I like to call mindless healing, just summon it and it's there in the background, healing you gradually on minor and even some major tasks that you don't take too much damage from. And you won't get faster xp at places with a combat summon at places of single attack zones, as most slayer tasks are. Invaluable,... I see, but it comes at a huge cost. You lose ~10k xp/hour, that's at least 10% of your average xp. That's A LOT in Runescape. Most slayer tasks are multi combat if you know what to block and skip, and where to kill monsters. Cost efficiency =/= XP efficiency. Allow me to use an analogy. Some prefer to burst rock lobsters albeit being highly expensive, but only because their main goal is to gain the highest efficient exp despite the cost. Cost efficient players however on the other hand will take the time to gain their charms slowly at a slower, yet cheaper source such as waterfiends. As I said before, it depends on the type of player and the efficiency suit they follow. That remark is stupid. Efficiency is cost and exp balanced out. That's what efficiency is in Runescape, nothing else. Use barrows at places where the defence isn't needed? Why use something where it isn't required, where it is replaced by something that equalizes the damage taken? (Through the use of bunyips, Guthans, prayer flicking) It is then in these scenarios where offence is more needed than defence to finish the task quicker. That's why you bring Proselyte. It's not prayer switching, it's prayer flicking. Here's a video: It doesn't take alot of concentration, you just let your mouse hover over the desired prayer and flick it on and off depending on the movement of the monster. It also aids you slightly for those who want to fight Jad :mrgreen: With prayer flicking, I can finish a task of 150+ Black Demons without even taking a single dose of prayer potion or leaving the area. The demons come to me, and I just flick in that spot and let my character auto retaliate. Actually, it has no official name. If you're a serious Slayer, you'll know that hovering your mouse over a prayer = no Combat familiars, or running to monster/picking drops AT A FAST SPEED. You can do 150+ Black demons without a single dose of Prayer potion? While using Piety AND Protect Melee? Wow, you're god. Your computer has 2 mouses! Or it could be that you're not using Combat prayers? Well then, that's your choice because not everyone blocks basilisks. They are actually a good source of fast slayer exp and charms. Duradel doesn't give Basalisks. You won't get hit more because a fighter torso has higher slash bonus than a rune platebody, especially in a fighting zone where mostly ALL slash weapons are used (Slash Godsword, Abyssal Whip, Dragon Claws). The fact that you lose a fighter torso is simply a glitch. It just needs be adjusted. There's some topics floating around Help & Advice about this specific bug which you can find. A glitch, ok. You lose it anyways, which makes it useless. Also, Slash is a good majority of the weapons, but you lose out on Range def... and plus, the time getting it makes this irrelevant, because with the time spent you could easily buy a couple barrows tops. It's also worth nothing that it has lower def in everything else, which basically makes it useless while training. Math may be a fact, but the validity of the source is questionable. Unless it's been gratified as an ultimate truth and been cross trained with hundreds and even thousands of samples ranging from all combat levels of unbiased sources, then it won't be fully reliable as this game is based on a system of "random". No, it's math. Tell me where comp's math is wrong.

Unupdated guides don't and shouldn't equal dead guides, or at least until enough time passes.

Well, if you get a ton of fun out of maxing your hardest hit, then you should get it. The strength bonus from the torso is impractical, but if it's fun, then whatever. The game is still about having fun. If you just want to hit as hard as possible, knock yourself out. If you're trying to be time-efficient and go for best strategic planning, maybe there are some better choices available. You'll probably find that you can get a bandos chesplate with GWD faster then you could get a torso from BA... I know you're just joking here but if you're going to pull out every stop to cut down fighter torso to the bottom of the gutter then I'll have to make my argument. To get the stats to come close to being competent enough to get a Bandos Chestplate from GWD and to actually get the drop I could of gotten 10-15 torsos by then. The following argument is from the view point of someone who owns a fighter torso. I'd like to address the fact that most of you have been saying that fighter torsos take around 6 hours to obtain. Not true. If you are any serious BA player or enthusiast, or even someone seeking the two useful items there (Fighter Torso/Penance Gloves) then you won't blindly run into the BA worlds to find a team of blundering idiots. Instead, you'd find competent players like yourself and easily and swiftly obtain the fighter torso even before setting foot into the BA arena. It doesn't take long to obtain as long as you know what you're doing and you have some capable teammates. Firstly, it will take some time to learn BA if the OP hasn't tried it before. Either way, it still takes a long time to get it. Lately I've been hearing where every training method and setup is basically outshadowed by this "Proselyte Top/Verac Skirt" combo where you piety/chivalry your whole task. This can only apply to a select few players. No. The fact of the matter is that most players do not have the funds to constantly guzzle prayer potions each task, and to speed it up isn't worth the money. Ok, that's why you use 10% str. I helps a lot, but barely takes 1-3 Prayer pots each task. And you can always make money. I myself could afford several Bandos Chestplates yet I stick to my fighter torso. Weird, you should buy Barrows, it's better. Why? Because the poor defence of the torso is made up by my barrow platelegs, the use of food, guthans and bunyips. Guthans = wasting time when you could be whipping. Bunyip = most overrated ever, you do know how much faster xp you'll get with a combat summon. Why spend more money on prayer potions and a bandos chestplate when I have everything I need here that works just as effectively and more cost efficient? Because you're not being efficient. The fighter torso is considerably better for those who don't want to spend money on an 11m chestplate on minor tasks such as basilisks, black demons, greater demons and lesser demons. Which is why you buy Barrows. I pray flick, so the use of proselyte and prayer is not needed. Prayer switching takes a lot of concentration, and it definetely doesn't work 100% It gets the tasks done slower, but it doesn't cost me a fortune and I get to use that saved cash for things I love, such as CWing and PKing. I doubt many of you here would piety a basilisk task. Actually... 1) I would, 2) Duradel + Blocking/skipping = only good tasks. I could go on about its versatile uses in PKing, but I'm getting kind of tired and writing from the scratch of your head is not practical. Versatile uses in Pking? Like the time when you'll get hit much more, but you'll hit 1 or 2 more max each time you hit? You can't retrieve it in most places now, too. I'm looking forward to some rebuttals, but not where hypothetical math is used - it's far too far fetched and an unreliable way to back up your argument. I'll be looking to your rebuttal, one where the facts are correct. Math... it's a fact.

Look at the above stats. Now look at the price. IT'S CHEAP.

I've camped there (and died :XD: ) for a looong time. I tried Mage, but it fails, bad. Waterfiend's Range attack can't be stopped

Nope

Piety + Range. Forgot the suggested INV, but if you don't have a Uni or at least a Bunyip, it will be very hard.

Drop the Addy, and get more Rune's. IF you're on your last 1 or 2, then go get more.

Time innately connects everything. :lol: You're virtually doing the same thing (clicking your mouse) but you get less xp, drops, charms, etc. because of it. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

A very complex formula. But you should just use a Combat calculator, theres on here on Tip.it. But for basics, your combat is rather * Combat - Attack/str * Range/Mage - Whichever is higher will be dominant Other then those 3, Defense, HP, Prayer, and Summoning will affect it no matter what combat style you are.

If you can make over 100k/hour (might have changed now) cook Sharks. That's at ~85, till then cook whatever you want, it won't make that big of a difference. I would personally cook lobbies/swordfish, whatever's good at the current market.